The good, the bad, really bad and ugly week 7 vs Jets vent

[AsianRice]

2 hours ago, thisme007 said:

We need to clean out the house from the front office to the locker room.. 

and replace you I expect.....

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, 1/28/01 said:

For the first time in years, I just don't care.  This team seems to not care (which I know isn't true for those out there who are annoying), so why should I.  Worrying about other things this season!

I understand exactly how you feel. It's frustrating to watch them play. I've sort of accepted that we may not be very good this year. It is honestly looking that way. Pretty sad state of affairs. 

[Inqui]

I missed the game (probably for the best), but this thread has certainly been an.... interesting read.

[RavensDieHard21]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

He got the start.

, Judon looked far better while playing.

Edited October 24, 2016 by RavensDieHard21

[RavensDieHard21]

1 hour ago, ravens rule said:

i think we are gonna get smoked when we play the steelers. Probably the second game. This pass rush and slow poke safeties are a bad combination.

Our secondary is so slow that it is seriously hilarious watching them get smoked once they fail to tackle. We need speed back there asap

[RavensDieHard21]

Ya, I no longer expect to see us win on Sundays. I got my Baltimore Browns shirt and I get ready to roll on the floor once I see how bad we are. The Lmao moments of the day were our slow secondary getting torched again, Jernigan fumbling the ball like a dead fish acting like he was going to make something happen, the terror in Flacco's eyes every play on the second half, and Harbaugh giving the same excuses at the press conference. Btw I am selling Baltimore Browns shirts, we might as well get a laugh out of this terrible season

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I understand exactly how you feel. It's frustrating to watch them play. I've sort of accepted that we may not be very good this year. It is honestly looking that way. Pretty sad state of affairs. 

I'm also coming to accept that we just haven't been very good. However, I'm not willing to accept that we can't be at least average until I see our starting OL and SS89 out there. If we're still struggling with our starters on offense, then I'll concede that we're just not very good. 

[Tornado700]

Consistent mistakes. They actually looked like the Keystone cops today. We might not even win 5 games this year. Injuries, penalties, no offensive line, no receivers, other than Wallace, no secondary, and just plain stupid mistakes are the ingredients to bad football. We might get blown out 54 to 0 in New England. It's embarrassing and just hard to watch this team get beat up like this game after game.

[busterblue52]

Are we supposed to play out the rest of this season with Zuttah as our center? I mean when your quarterback can't even hand the ball off because of how TERRIBLE you are at blocking I think it's time to put literally anyone else at center. A defensive tackle could do better then him lmao.

[Cillmatic]

This game showed me that Judon is much better than Smith.

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, Willbacker said:

On 3rd downs There was a lot of missed tackles. Whose fault is that If it is on the players then we gotta start questioning the FO

Well, coaches don't tell players to miss tackles, so...

But I would say that falls back on your positional coach, but even more so on college and their previous backgrounds.

[HarleypsychRN]

This was as bad and depressing a performance as I've ever seen by the Ravens...Just when you think it can't get any worse

Edited October 24, 2016 by HarleypsychRN

[Cillmatic]

20 minutes ago, HarleypsychRN said:

This was as bad and depressing a performance as I've ever seen by the Ravens...Just when you think it can't get any worse

Last years Oakland game was worse.

[HoldingCall]

The Good: The game is over and the Bye Week is next.

The Bad: The offense has no ability to adapt and change.

The Ugly: Maybe seeing the affect of an over weighted QB contract that causes the team to give up talented players year after year. 

There will always be a few exceptions like New England but I believe that overall the league is weaker because of large QB contracts. Some blame drafting but are forgetting (or accepting) the loss of quality players year after year due to these contracts. However, this is the new NFL.

How should the Ravens deal with it? Injuries aside! 1. Stop hiring coaches with a track record of multiple failed experiences. 2. Make no exception to substitutions! Example: Our coaches are willing to sub in for any player having a bad, costly game except the QB, why? A temporary change will ofter light a needed spark (if only for one quarter). We actually saw that with the Jets QB yesterday.  

The above 2 are the two major problems needing adjusting, as I see it. The drafting of players is a problem only when the coaches fail to make use of their abilities. 

Note: Many of the newly drafted players experiencing success with other teams would not neccessarily have found equal success if they were with this team. 

[Cillmatic]

2 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

The Good: The game is over and the Bye Week is next.

The Bad: The offense has no ability to adapt and change.

The Ugly: Maybe seeing the affect of an over weighted QB contract that causes the team to give up talented players year after year. 

There will always be a few exceptions like New England but I believe that overall the league is weaker because of large QB contracts. Some blame drafting but are forgetting (or accepting) the loss of quality players year after year due to these contracts. However, this is the new NFL.

How should the Ravens deal with it? Injuries aside! 1. Stop hiring coaches with a track record of multiple failed experiences. 2. Make no exception to substitutions! Example: Our coaches are willing to sub in for any player having a bad, costly game except the QB, why? A temporary change will ofter light a needed spark (if only for one quarter). We actually saw that with the Jets QB yesterday.  

The above 2 are the two major problems needing adjusting, as I see it. The drafting of players is a problem only when the coaches fail to make use of their abilities. 

Note: Many of the newly drafted players experiencing success with other teams would not neccessarily have found equal success if they were with this team. 

Between the Flacco deal, Fitz Deal and Osweiler deal I'm hoping that the QB market cools down a little, but I doubt it. A good QB is priceless nowadays. Imagine how much money prime Payton would've gotten if he was playing in THIS era.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Cillmatic

[HoldingCall]

7 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Between the Flacco deal, Fitz Deal and Osweiler deal I'm hoping that the QB market cools down a little, but I doubt it. A good QB is priceless nowadays. Imagine how much money prime Payton would've gotten if he was playing in THIS era.

These over the top QB contracts hurt more than help the teams as a whole. The future will hopefully adjust these backward as more good quality QBs come out of the college ranks.

[Cillmatic]

15 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

These over the top QB contracts hurt more than help the teams as a whole. The future will hopefully adjust these backward as more good quality QBs come out of the college ranks.

Don't count on it. The next two years look piss poor when it comes to QB prospects. Really think the league jumped the gun when we gave the infamous Flacco deal, then EVERYONE followed suit. At this point NO self respecting agent is gonna accept a significant decrease in money, and even if/when a team decides to not break the bank for a QB there will always be sorry teams like Cleveland who will pay them DOUBLE.

Edited October 24, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

16 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

These over the top QB contracts hurt more than help the teams as a whole. The future will hopefully adjust these backward as more good quality QBs come out of the college ranks.

That's the biggest problem with the NFL right now.  There are so few good quality QBs coming out of college that teams are essentially forced to pay QBs big money, because your chance of finding another is so slim.

[MTRavensFan]

29 minutes ago, HoldingCall said:

These over the top QB contracts hurt more than help the teams as a whole. The future will hopefully adjust these backward as more good quality QBs come out of the college ranks.

Or, just raise the salary cap so that these inflated contracts don't have such a negative impact. Pretty simple solution, actually,  we keep hearing about it, but it comes in such small drips it's not making an impact.  Double the cap, teams can afford to develop and retain players. 

[Tank 92]

Worth repeating.......   The Ravens had a net 6 yards rushing.  No team has ever won a game with 6 yards rushing.

[Drew P]

Zuttah is embarrassing ...that's saying a lot in this crowd

[The Mom Gene]

I'm not making excuses here for anybody.  I just think something needs to happen as far as the penalties go.  Are we committing a lot of penalties???  Absolutely.  We definitely need to improve on the offensive side of the ball.  I'm with Harbaugh on the getting ahead early and then letting teams back into the games, but the penalties are what are killing us.  The refs are exacerbating the problem with their ticky tack holding calls.  When I watched as Kenneth Dixon was pulled to the ground by a obvious face mask, and no flag is thrown, that's a real drive buster.  Bruce Arians had something to say about it last night too.  Between the political controversies now going on in the league, and the reckless officiating, something needs to be done.  And then they wonder why the ratings are falling, and people are getting disgusted.  It's becoming another NBA situation.

[The Mom Gene]

3 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Zuttah is embarrassing ...that's saying a lot in this crowd

I've watched him time and time again get pushed around, and back into Joe.  And yet fans wonder why the guy won't step up into the pocket?  What Pocket!

 

[The Mom Gene]

8 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ya, I no longer expect to see us win on Sundays. I got my Baltimore Browns shirt and I get ready to roll on the floor once I see how bad we are. The Lmao moments of the day were our slow secondary getting torched again, Jernigan fumbling the ball like a dead fish acting like he was going to make something happen, the terror in Flacco's eyes every play on the second half, and Harbaugh giving the same excuses at the press conference. Btw I am selling Baltimore Browns shirts, we might as well get a laugh out of this terrible season

When I hear people compare us to the Browns I just want to laugh...  They are WINLESS FOLKS!  And in reality???  We aren't that far behind the Squeelers....  Somebody needs to have some sense of positivity here.....  Come on.  This is depressing.

[ravensdfan]

11 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

When I hear people compare us to the Browns I just want to laugh...  They are WINLESS FOLKS!  And in reality???  We aren't that far behind the Squeelers....  Somebody needs to have some sense of positivity here.....  Come on.  This is depressing.

I am actually angry at the Steelers & Cincy. Being bad enough that we're still in the run for the division the way we're playing. Not interested in seeing us keep the status quo because we make the post season & then get crushed there because the reality is we aren't that good. Then we just keep on with the same frustrating things and the same people responsible for them.

We'll never see the changes we need to be consistently good if they can point to our post season appearances as meaning we're successful.

Edited October 24, 2016 by ravensdfan

[OUravensfan]

31 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Worth repeating.......   The Ravens had a net 6 yards rushing.  No team has ever won a game with 6 yards rushing.

 

21 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Zuttah is embarrassing ...that's saying a lot in this crowd

It all starts with O line. 6 rushing yards is definitely worth repeating. Zutah is terrible, can't wait to see him play Geno Atkins, that should be fun. So tired of complete dysfunctionality around Flacco, knew it was only a matter of time before he forced a few throws, that's what happens when you get zero time and zero separation.

[The Mom Gene]

4 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

It all starts with O line. 6 rushing yards is definitely worth repeating. Zutah is terrible, can't wait to see him play Geno Atkins, that should be fun. So tired of complete dysfunctionality around Flacco, knew it was only a matter of time before he forced a few throws, that's what happens when you get zero time and zero separation.

When I hear people "placing blame"...  I seldom hear them putting it where it belongs.  How can you have a rushing game when you can't get lanes open?  How can you "run the ball more" when you are getting nowhere....  Then when you do???  Your O-Line commits holding penalties that bring the play back.  You condemn Joe for not stepping up in the pocket...  Well that's pretty obvious too...  WHAT POCKET???   It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

By the way OU.....  I'm not allowed to like that post 5 times.....  So I will +5 on it.

[The Mom Gene]

8 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

I am actually angry at the Steelers & Cincy. Being bad enough that we're still in the run for the division the way we're playing. Not interested in seeing us keep the status quo because we make the post season & then get crushed there because the reality is we aren't that good. Then we just keep on with the same frustrating things and the same people responsible for them.

Did you ever think there's a reason we ALL SUCK?  The CBA does not allow these guys to do what they need to for fear of it being "too much on the player"...  then we see injuries and lack of ability all over the place.  We can't have too many padded practices folks......  Somebody might exert too much.  The NFL is ruining our game.

[OUravensfan]

17 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

When I hear people "placing blame"...  I seldom hear them putting it where it belongs.  How can you have a rushing game when you can't get lanes open?  How can you "run the ball more" when you are getting nowhere....  Then when you do???  Your O-Line commits holding penalties that bring the play back.  You condemn Joe for not stepping up in the pocket...  Well that's pretty obvious too...  WHAT POCKET???   It's absolutely ridiculous.

 

By the way OU.....  I'm not allowed to like that post 5 times.....  So I will +5 on it.

No worries, you could just feel the inevitability of despair that game, you could feel the forced play coming. Everything just looks so hard for them, they're completely dysfunctional, that's one story the stats do tell this year, lots of plays for very little production, nothing comes easy and that's because we can't get consistent blocking. 

We also don't have that nasty play maker, AJ Green just hauled in a desperation Hail Mary for the Bengals, he schemes Lafayell open all day, we need some more playmakers. When's the last time we had a player running wide open, I can't remember. Joe forced two throws, but the throws he is asked to make are far too difficult to expect him to consistently do it, no one gets separation, ever. 

6 rushing yards,our system is broken, maybe playing Pittsburgh at home can inspire us. 

No SSS hurts but it's good they can get a preview of what it's like without him, they need a solid possession WR in FA next year, can't risk the draft again there. 

Edited October 24, 2016 by OUravensfan

[The Mom Gene]

5 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

No worries, you could just feel the inevitability of despair that game, you could feel the forced play coming. Everything just looks so hard for them, they're completely dysfunctional, that's one story the stats do tell this year, lots of plays for very little production, nothing comes easy and that's because we can't get consistent blocking. 

We also don't have that nasty play maker, AJ Green just hauled in a desperation Hail Mary for the Bengals, he schemes Lafayell open all day, we need some more playmakers. When's the last time we had a player running wide open, I can't remember. Joe forced two throws, but the throws he is asked to make are far too difficult to expect him to consistently do it, no one gets separation, ever. 

6 rushing yards,our system is broken, maybe playing Pittsburgh at home can inspire us. 

No SSS hurts but it's good they can get a preview of what it's like without him, they need a solid possession WR in FA next year, can't risk the draft again there. 

I honestly think that Wallace wants to be that guy.  Part of me believes he can.  I just think that without SSS the defenses are doubling him up.  If you had SSS back and put them all out there, there's not enough coverage, and you have just what you explained.  With so many guys down, we just cannot get open.