Looking in at 2017

[Steve0x]

Trade Flacco and our 2018 first round draft pick to the Jets for a 1st round draft pick and 2nd round pick.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Trade Flacco and our 2018 first round draft pick to the Jets for a 1st round draft pick and 2nd round pick.

That makes neither team better.

[Wildabeast88]

On November 23, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Steve0x said:

Trade Flacco and our 2018 first round draft pick to the Jets for a 1st round draft pick and 2nd round pick.

That would make us worse sounds like a great idea smh.

[playlikeawhat]

What do you think is the most idealistic way the Ravens can address its WR situation for 2017 and what do you think is the most likely way they'll do it?  As much as I'd like to see SSS return in 2017, I'd also like to see him go to further magnify the problem we have with the current group presuming most of them stay.  I don't think we can produce a strong receiving group if we continue to mask an inconsistent or incapable majority with one strong vet.  It's not unreasonable to want 2-3 pass-catchers (who aren't RBs or TEs) that can frequently make plays. 

Last time we had more than one receiver who could frequently beat their opponent or win contested catches on short to intermediate routes we went 12-4.  Yes, I know we had the magic hands of Todd Heap and Ray Rice as well as a top-5 defense but c'mon.  You have to admit the 1-2 punch of Mason/Boldin and occasional clutch grabs by TJ boosted the offense in ways we haven't seen since during the Harbaugh era.  And this was with a much younger and less Savvy Flacco behind those passes.

Does it seem possible to get back to that within one offseason?

Edited November 27, 2016 by playlikeawhat

[Steve0x]

it wouldn't make em worse. Heres an example if we trade this with Jets they would have a veteran QB with some years left. And they grab our top pick 2018. Then We choose a QB and our top pick and O-Lineman and Mallet starts next season until his contract runs out and the rookie can start on 2018 or 2019 season. Who know he might be very good just like How Tom Brady and Big Ben shined.  

Edited November 25, 2016 by Steve0x

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

..................

 

I'm gla

You know what. Fill in the blanks people. It isn't even worth typing out anymore.

*drops the mic*

*picks it up again and bashes own skull with it*

[Purple Nurple]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

it wouldn't make em worse. Heres an example if we trade this with Jets they would have a veteran QB with some years left. And they grab our top pick 2018. Then We choose a QB and our top pick and O-Lineman and Mallet starts next season until his contract runs out and the rookie can start on 2018 or 2019 season. Who know he might be very good just like How Tom Brady and Big Ben shined.  

ummmmm......

 

wait......I think......wait........just..........WHAT?!?!?

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

it wouldn't make em worse. Heres an example if we trade this with Jets they would have a veteran QB with some years left. And they grab our top pick 2018. Then We choose a QB and our top pick and O-Lineman and Mallet starts next season until his contract runs out and the rookie can start on 2018 or 2019 season. Who know he might be very good just like How Tom Brady and Big Ben shined.  

Or he could be Jared Goff, or Blaine Glabbert, or Christian Ponder, or any of the many, many, many highly drafted QBs in recent years who haven't been any good.

[K-Dog]

T.G.T.F.D.R.T.T.

( thank God the fans don't run this team )

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, Steve0x said:

it wouldn't make em worse. Heres an example if we trade this with Jets they would have a veteran QB with some years left. And they grab our top pick 2018. Then We choose a QB and our top pick and O-Lineman and Mallet starts next season until his contract runs out and the rookie can start on 2018 or 2019 season. Who know he might be very good just like How Tom Brady and Big Ben shined.  

So we trade Flacco and a 1st for a 1st and 2nd and the entire Front Office gets fired. Bradford trade the Eagles got a 1st and 4th. Flacco is much better than Bradford. Also what QB is worthy of a 1st none that I see. Also both Brady and Ben were game managers with great D and a running game. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

T.G.T.F.D.R.T.T.

( thank God the fans don't run this team )

I wish we still had Sigs

[Steve0x]

Well Flacco is getting old. He just doesn't have what had back in 2013

[JoeyFlex5]

39 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Well Flacco is getting old. He just doesn't have what had back in 2013

hes also coming off a bad knee injury, and he has an absolutely horrid offensive line and is on his 4th OC in 3 years. 

if you trade flacco, you get a first round pick for the current year, the following year, and probably some more picks, and you would still end up regretting it because there is no qb in this draft even worthy of a first round pick, the only qbs who will go first round this year are only going first round BECAUSE they are qbs and nothing more. if the positional value wasnt so high they would all be day 2 picks based on talent, maybe kizer would go in the 20s. 

even if there were lights out qb prospects in the draft, its still a risk, not every great qb prospect pans out, especially when theyre forced to play behind this offensive line.  

come on man... think before you post.

 

[Steve0x]

Well How well did it work out for the Ravens when Ray Lewis retired? 

[-Truth-]

3 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Well How well did it work out for the Ravens when Ray Lewis retired? 

Can you expand on this point? Ray Lewis holds a special place in my heart, which I'm sure applies to most Ravens fans; but this is a fairly clear case of correlation vs. causation. He was on this last legs during the SuperBowl run, and he struggled in his final game. His departure wasn't the reason for our 8-8 record the following year. It was our historically porous running game that averaged 3.1 YPC, and an offense that was dead last in yards per attempt. Even then, we fell one game short of making the postseason. In either case, how does this apply to the Joe Flacco situation?

[JoeyFlex5]

53 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Well How well did it work out for the Ravens when Ray Lewis retired? 

how is this relevant at all? ray lewis' retirement isnt the reason for the franchise taking a turn for the worse, and what does that have to do with joe flacco and the fact that you think we should trade him and our 2017 first rounder for a 2018 first rounder? i mean that doesnt even make sense, why would we even trade our first? and again, what does ray lewis' retirement have to do with this flacco trade youre suggesting? it has zero relevance 

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Well How well did it work out for the Ravens when Ray Lewis retired? 

We lost plenty when Ray was here. 

[Steve0x]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

We lost plenty when Ray was here. 

Exactly ok? But Ray was an exception. Flacco is not.. My point is you never know who you got for the trade. Remember when Packers traded for Brett Favre? How did that work out for them? It worked great Brett Favre bought back Packer football winning tradition since those Lombardi days. Packers had losing seasons before Favre came.

[rmcjacket23]

49 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Exactly ok? But Ray was an exception. Flacco is not.. My point is you never know who you got for the trade. Remember when Packers traded for Brett Favre? How did that work out for them? It worked great Brett Favre bought back Packer football winning tradition since those Lombardi days. Packers had losing seasons before Favre came.

What was Ray an exception of? That doesn't even make any sense.

And you're right... you never know who you got for the trade. All you're doing is listing people who are good to try to make a point, and using players who were drafted like 20 years ago to do it. Very, very, very weak argument.

I can list off a long slew of QBs drafted in recent years who YOU would have advocated drafting with that traded pick, and many of them can't play a lick. Many of them couldn't hold Joe's jock. 

And for some reason, you've chosen to ignore all of those players. Why you keep doing that, I have no idea.

Easy for fans to be super risky with draft picks and the franchise, because you're not accountable for anything. If fans were actually held accountable for the decisions they made, they'd be fired as fans long, long, long ago. 

You get all of the rewards with zero of the risk. Its why fans are never consulted about decision making, because they can't be trusted.

[Steve0x]

Well Flacco is sorta a bum especially that game in Dallas. I want the fans start doing their jobs tommorow. When Ravens go 3 and out i want 60,000 start booing at Flacco. 

[-Truth-]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Exactly ok? But Ray was an exception. Flacco is not.. My point is you never know who you got for the trade. Remember when Packers traded for Brett Favre? How did that work out for them? It worked great Brett Favre bought back Packer football winning tradition since those Lombardi days. Packers had losing seasons before Favre came.

Your point also works as a counterpoint against itself. You're correct; you never know what you'll receive in return. For every successful scenario involving quarterbacks trades, you're likely to have numerous failed acquisitions surrounding said trades. Let's take a look at the past decade. Houston's trade for Matt Schaub was arguably a rock-solid get. He was able to push them from a losing record to two postseason nods. Arizona netted Carson Palmer, who gave the franchise one and a half great seasons, a bargain deal for two late round selections.

The trades surrounding these 2 moves? Ryan Fitzpatrick to Cincinnati, Jay Cutler to Chicago, Kyle Orton to Denver, Matt Cassel to Kansas City, Donovan McNabb to Washington, Kevin Kolb to Arizona, Matt Flynn to Oakland, Carson Palmer to Oakland, Nick Foles to St. Louis, Sam Bradford to Philadelphia, and Sam Bradford to Minnesota. Which of the latter 11 trades were able to transform their respective franchise after adding a new starting signal caller? Minus the Fitzpatrick trade, all 10 of the other trades intended to start their acquisition. That yields to a success rate of 18% within the last 10 years, meaning the hits have ranged from being unlikely to being full-blown anomalies. There have been more successful FA signings at QB in recent memory via Drew Brees to New Orleans, Brett Favre to Minnesota, and Peyton Manning to Denver, Tyrod Taylor to Buffalo, and those signings are also surrounded by a plethora of FA failures. The same goes for the draft. Ignoring the likelihoods of occurrences is beyond reckless. Simply pointing to situations like the Favre trade for Green Bay or the Tom Brady selection for New England is akin to saying that somebody in the U.S. won the lottery so we should invest our future in buying lottery tickets. Not the soundest strategy out there.

Edited November 26, 2016 by -Truth-

[Steve0x]

Yeah... Look who the Raiders have now? They are much much improved. The Ravens are going in the other direction ever since we got rid of good players like Demps,and Ngata. I call that a very poor job in the front office.    

Edited November 26, 2016 by Steve0x

[JoeyFlex5]

10 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Yeah... Look who the Raiders have now? They are much much improved. The Ravens are going in the other direction ever since we got rid of good players like Demps,and Ngata. I call that a very poor job in the front office.    

i got an idea. right here and now, for future evidence sake, list the qb's that you want us to trade for/trade up and draft, realistic stuff only though, dont say "offer our next 5 first round picks for aaron rodgers", also throw in what you would offer for any trade youre contemplating. ill bookmark the post, and come back in a year or 2 and quote the post when your suggestions looks completely ridiculous.

[-Truth-]

27 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Yeah... Look who the Raiders have now? They are much much improved. The Ravens are going in the other direction ever since we got rid of good players like Demps,and Ngata. I call that a very poor job in the front office.    

Yes, and they've stayed true to their strategy of standing pat and selecting Khalil Mack and Derek Carr without trading. They also traded back and nabbed Gabe Jackson with the next selection that year. They haven't traded for or traded up in either of the first three rounds of their last two drafts. Are you quite certain that they are the proper example to use to aid your suggestion of making a blockbuster trade?

Ngata graded out as league-average in 2015 per PFF. He's fallen off a cliff so far through 2016. We were able to save close to $10 million and nab multiple selections. We're currently the No.1 ranked rush defense and No.2 ranked overall defense. But to rephrase your point, we're currently in a hole because our defense is missing a struggling, aging lineman who's set to make $12 million over his next two seasons? A strange move to feel regret over that decision considering that you're advocating for another player to be traded because he's supposedly aging, struggling and overpaid. I don't know where to start with Will Demps considering that he left us in 2005.

Edited November 26, 2016 by -Truth-

[Steve0x]

Yes but that #1 ranked defense is no excuse for a 5-5 record tied for first. When you're 5-5 tied for first and your defense is #1 then something is wrong. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm glad the fans don't run this team.

or M&T Bank

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

21 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

. ill bookmark the post, and come back in a year or 2 and quote the post when your suggestions looks completely ridiculous.

You don't have to wait a year or two

[-Truth-]

Just now, Steve0x said:

Yes but that #1 ranked defense is no excuse for a 5-5 record tied for first. When you're 5-5 tied for first and your defense is #1 then something is wrong. 

By your accord, apparently the blame falls on our defense because the only two examples you've given of players who our team misses are Haloti Ngata and Will Demps. Please understand, they are mind-blowing names to throw out considering the circumstances. By all accounts, Ngata has been a shell of his former self over the past two seasons. He's currently 32 and is Detroit's 6th highest paid player. All three are arguments you've used in favor of trading away Joe Flacco, yet Ngata is one of the only two names you mention when discussing regrettable departures that mar our FO's achievements. The other name was of a player in Demps who hasn't played for us in over 11 years, an example that is worsened by the fact that we had one of the best defenses in recent memory after his departure. I doubt anyone would argue that something is wrong. It clearly is. The point of disagreement here surrounds the suggestions on the potential fixes.

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Steve0x said:

Yes but that #1 ranked defense is no excuse for a 5-5 record tied for first. When you're 5-5 tied for first and your defense is #1 then something is wrong. 

yeah so cutting 10m worth of fat from the front seven and attempting to distribute it elsewhere to better the team was the wrong move, so clearly having ngata and his weak play and huge cap hit around would have us playing better on offense. 

[Ravensfan23]

Am I the only one lost here? I hate when this team is losing, some of these post are unbearable.