Looking in at 2017

[Dewy101]

21 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Your suggested roster cuts would give us about 32m available salary cap. I would guess about 7m of that for our draft choices leaving 25m to sign veteran players. I think Brandon Williams will be too expensive to sign, he is a top tier run stuffer but doesn't produce pressure on the quarterback which we need desperately. Hopefully our front office will put a strong emphasis on the offensive line during the off season. I would like to see us use 2 of our top 3 picks on the OL plus bring in a veteran offensive lineman in free agency. This would allow us to run a more balanced offense.

I don't think we'll spend 2 high picks on o line and we really shouldnt. Maybe a 2nd round pick and a FA addition. Spending 2 high picks in the draft will leave too many holes in other areas mainly pass rusher. On paper I feel like this draft class can really compare to the 2011 draft class where a lot of elite pass rushers were drafted. Guys like Myles Garett, Derek Barnett, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams, Jonathan Allen, Demarcus Walker all have traits that we can't pass up in the first round. Also most linemen take time to develop it may be better to pay o linemen in FA. 

[Somerset Ravens]

57 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

I don't think we'll spend 2 high picks on o line and we really shouldnt. Maybe a 2nd round pick and a FA addition. Spending 2 high picks in the draft will leave too many holes in other areas mainly pass rusher. On paper I feel like this draft class can really compare to the 2011 draft class where a lot of elite pass rushers were drafted. Guys like Myles Garett, Derek Barnett, Carl Lawson, Tim Williams, Jonathan Allen, Demarcus Walker all have traits that we can't pass up in the first round. Also most linemen take time to develop it may be better to pay o linemen in FA. 

I do agree that we need a pass rusher but I believe Myles Garrett will be gone before we pick. A strong offensive line would give us a solid running game, giving balance to our offense. It also would give Flacco more time in the pocket allowing us to have a vertical passing game instead of a dink and dunk passing attack. This team's weakness is on the offensive side and strengthening the offensive line is best way to improve it.

 

[Maryland]

7 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I do agree that we need a pass rusher but I believe Myles Garrett will be gone before we pick. A strong offensive line would give us a solid running game, giving balance to our offense. It also would give Flacco more time in the pocket allowing us to have a vertical passing game instead of a dink and dunk passing attack. This team's weakness is on the offensive side and strengthening the offensive line is best way to improve it.

Myles Garrett should be the first player taken in the draft as long as teams refrain from overdrafting a QB from this mediocre class of QBs.

[PurpleCity5]

7 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I do agree that we need a pass rusher but I believe Myles Garrett will be gone before we pick. A strong offensive line would give us a solid running game, giving balance to our offense. It also would give Flacco more time in the pocket allowing us to have a vertical passing game instead of a dink and dunk passing attack. This team's weakness is on the offensive side and strengthening the offensive line is best way to improve it.

 

 

Just now, Maryland said:

Myles Garrett should be the first player taken in the draft as long as teams refrain from overdrafting a QB from this mediocre class of QBs.

Don't sleep on WR as a position that we will be aggressive with come free agency. It's a huge need and one that's not talked about. One of the biggest problems that I see with Joe is that he's holding the ball too long sometimes. I don't know if that the whole story, but sometimes one of the problems that Joe is dealing with is coverage sacks. Coverage sacks can be just as bad as pressure sacks for a QB, sometimes even worse. The draft seems unlikely because not many guys come to mind there. 

Looking at our current WR position, Mike Wallace is really the only guy that I can say that you can depend on to do something for you. I would love to say Perriman but you can't be confident there until he breaks out. If he doesn't break out this year, it will not only be disappointing but would make him untrustworthy. 

[ellicottraven]

I just think we need to have a pardigm shift in our draft strategy. I don't know if it is way too many cooks in the kitchen problem or it is just a brain drain from our pool of talent scouts who've all been mostly poached away from us, but we need it fixed ASAP. I think we should leave the drafting to Ozzie, Eric, Joe and the scouts with input from position coaches as needed. I think while John really cares about his team, he inadvertently tries to push for players with special teams talent plus position talent instead of just position talent. I think that may have cost us some really good players. Again, I'm not sure this is true, but listening on radio some time back, Harbaugh's involvement in the draft process was discussed.

[Filmstudy]

On 10/29/2016 at 11:53 AM, terrynjulia03 said:

Urschel did decent during those games last year, but this year he's looked pretty bad. I'd like to get Filmstudy take on it and review his grades on Urschel last year and this year. Unfortunately this forum isn't very user friendly, needs vbulletin lol. 

In a perfect world I'd say we resign Wagner at a team friendly deal, considering looking at who "possibly" needs a RT next year, OR a upgrade I think he will prob only have at max 3 teams "interested". It's not like he's a instant upgrade to even half the teams in the league. Subtracting out teams teams rather resigning their own player, teams that won't have the cap space to overprice him, etc... I don't see teams going after him like they did KO. 

Urschel grades out and is the C for the foreseeable future, Lewis stays at LG, with a possible transition in 2018/19 to RG if Yanda hangs them up??? Another biggie we have to look at later on. And this year and next continue to draft OL in the middle rounds to see and/or groom along the line. 

I really hoped like hell Urschel would be the guy at center, but he didn't play well there in 2015 and he hasn't played well at guard in 2016.  Here are chart with his grades from 2015-16:

http://russellstreetreport.com/filmstudy-ravens-offensive-line-grades-by-game-2015/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/05/filmstudy/filmstudy-graphs-charts/2016-offensive-line-grades-game/

[usmccharles]

@Filmstudy I think I asked you before but don't remember.  Were you ever able to pull stats on CBs with 'thrown at', 'catches allowed', 'yards allowed'? Judging how well CBs play is extremely hard for the average football fan

[Filmstudy]

13 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

@Filmstudy I think I asked you before but don't remember.  Were you ever able to pull stats on CBs with 'thrown at', 'catches allowed', 'yards allowed'? Judging how well CBs play is extremely hard for the average football fan

PFF offers that with one of their packages, but it can be difficult to get the assignment right.  I record it for longer catches or if there is a good open field tackle made that minimizes YAC,

I did this piece on an ad hoc basis for Tavon Young versus the Browns:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/22/filmstudy/tavon-young-vs-browns/

However, this is a significant effort to do for every pass play and all DBs.  I agree the information available for DBs is not very good, but it's a tall mountain to fix. 

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

PFF offers that with one of their packages, but it can be difficult to get the assignment right.  I record it for longer catches or if there is a good open field tackle made that minimizes YAC,

I did this piece on an ad hoc basis for Tavon Young versus the Browns:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/22/filmstudy/tavon-young-vs-browns/

However, this is a significant effort to do for every pass play and all DBs.  I agree the information available for DBs is not very good, but it's a tall mountain to fix. 

Yea I remember reading that, good writeup as always.  I just didn't know if someone else had all that info that you can look at it.  Just intrigued on how well jimmy has been doing.  Do you do a review at the end of the year over a lot of the players?

[Filmstudy]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I remember reading that, good writeup as always.  I just didn't know if someone else had all that info that you can look at it.  Just intrigued on how well jimmy has been doing.  Do you do a review at the end of the year over a lot of the players?

I have not done so every year, but I have done a boxed analysis of each player in some years.  Here is a link to the defensive pieces from after the Super Bowl year and the OL after 2013.  Please take a read and let me know if there's something else you'd like to see.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2014/02/05/filmstudy/filmstudy-graphs-charts/2013-offensive-line-grades/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/03/03/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-defensive-line/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/02/22/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-linebackers/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/02/15/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-secondary/

These pieces are quite a lot of work to put together, so I haven't done them every year, when interest wanes quickly after the Ravens are eliminated.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Filmstudy said:

I have not done so every year, but I have done a boxed analysis of each player in some years.  Here is a link to the defensive pieces from after the Super Bowl year and the OL after 2013.  Please take a read and let me know if there's something else you'd like to see.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2014/02/05/filmstudy/filmstudy-graphs-charts/2013-offensive-line-grades/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/03/03/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-defensive-line/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/02/22/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-linebackers/

http://russellstreetreport.com/2013/02/15/filmstudy/filmstudy-2012-defensive-personnel-analysis-secondary/

These pieces are quite a lot of work to put together, so I haven't done them every year, when interest wanes quickly after the Ravens are eliminated.

Damn man, those are some good reads, i commend you on your passion to take the time to do this.  Im sure you have seen me post before and by no means do i pretend to be able to scout or breakdown film so i really appreciate when others take the time to write well thought out analysis, ive learned a lot from some of the posters here.

Considering im such a lamen, i have no idea how id be able to recommend anything that would hold value to what you write about.  I would say an end of year analysis stating what (not who, so not a mock) you think should be addressed in the upcomming draft which im sure you do anyways, if so, shoot me a link because id love to do some more reading.   I think i have an account over at rsr but i dont remember, ill have to check. 

Do you do any type of ROI analysis using draft positions compared to salaries? like the value of trading a 1st rounder for a player that you know will produce but you have to pay more money, i guess an example would be seattle and graham...i guess? Obviously, most of us know that building a team that contends year in and year out is done through the draft so that way you are getting players that out-perform their contracts.  The issue becomes when you have to start paying players, ie what we are seeing in Cinci and Seattle soon, Denver soon.  It becomes a problem when you have to let the players walk in FA, draft their replacement and they dont bring the same results.  I dont know what kind of production to salary comparison you could use. 

Sidenote, i will most likely be shooting you an email on advice on the career path you have taken, assuming the email given at the bottom of your links are correct.  If not, shoot me a pm, either way.  

Edited November 1, 2016 by usmccharles

[Cawtious]

On ‎10‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 11:50 AM, PurpleCity5 said:

 I don't know if the team has confidence in Jensen to begin with IMO. 

Disagree.  They wouldn't have brought him up to the active roster and started him.  They had other choices, including cutting him. 

[kiwi_raven]

Won't we be able to keep more of these guys due to the annual increase of what the cap is? How much could it jump next year?

[Rav'n Maniac]

1 hour ago, kiwi_raven said:

Won't we be able to keep more of these guys due to the annual increase of what the cap is? How much could it jump next year?

No one knows for certain what the cap would be next year until the owners decide on it. No matter, it won't be enough.

[ravensnj]

Looking at 2017

 

I believe, if we have opportunity to draft Christian McCaffrey we jump on him! He would be a huge weapon on offense and special teams. This guy is like a swiss army knife. The type of individual we are going to need going forward, with no SSS or big time skill position player. He's proven and is the real deal!

 

[usmccharles]

38 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Looking at 2017

I believe, if we have opportunity to draft Christian McCaffrey we jump on him! He would be a huge weapon on offense and special teams. This guy is like a swiss army knife. The type of individual we are going to need going forward, with no SSS or big time skill position player. He's proven and is the real deal!

He hasn't proven anything yet

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, ravensnj said:

Looking at 2017

 

I believe, if we have opportunity to draft Christian McCaffrey we jump on him! He would be a huge weapon on offense and special teams. This guy is like a swiss army knife. The type of individual we are going to need going forward, with no SSS or big time skill position player. He's proven and is the real deal!

 

He's been pretty quiet this year, that injury sounds worrying too.

[ravensnj]

11 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

He's been pretty quiet this year, that injury sounds worrying too.

The team around him is in disarray, but, he personally looks great.

 

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

He hasn't proven anything yet

He should have been the 2015 Heisman winner.  

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, ravensnj said:

He should have been the 2015 Heisman winner.  

Exactly.  And there is absolutely no correlation that says a Heisman winner will succeed in the NFL.  We had one on our bench his entire career.  

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 hours ago, ravensnj said:

The team around him is in disarray, but, he personally looks great.

 

He should have been the 2015 Heisman winner.  

I think more Heisman winners have sucked in the NFL than have actually been good.

[ravensnj]

5 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Exactly.  And there is absolutely no correlation that says a Heisman winner will succeed in the NFL.  We had one on our bench his entire career.  

 

Dude, you have to see the man play!  He is way better than his father and has broken many of Barry Sanders records. We have no one that even compares to him and would be blessed to land him.

Actually, playmakers in the entire NFL are few and far between.

Edited November 4, 2016 by ravensnj
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[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Dude, you have to see the man play!  He is way better than his father and has broken many of Barry Sanders records. We have no one that even compares to him and would be blessed to land him.

Actually, playmakers in the entire NFL are few and far between.

I have seen him play.  Im just saying he hasn't proven anything because he hasn't played in the NFL.  Records in college are worthless, im sure you can go find plenty of guys working at a local YMCA that broke some NCAA records.  Im not hating on the guy, im just not going to anoint him. 

[Moderator 3]

If you want to talk draft, go to the Draft Forum.  This thread is supposed to be about the Ravens, not some college players.

[ravensnj]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I have seen him play.  Im just saying he hasn't proven anything because he hasn't played in the NFL.  Records in college are worthless, im sure you can go find plenty of guys working at a local YMCA that broke some NCAA records.  Im not hating on the guy, im just not going to anoint him. 

I would bet the house on McCaffery! I believe in year 2, he will be on the cover of every fantasy Football magazine.  IMHO, he is a can't miss pick.

[ravensnj]

4 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

If you want to talk draft, go to the Draft Forum.  This thread is supposed to be about the Ravens, not some college players.

Topic: Looking in on 2017.....it's starts with the draft.

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

I would bet the house on McCaffery! I believe in year 2, he will be on the cover of every fantasy Football magazine.  IMHO, he is a can't miss pick.

I would never bet the house....that can hold back your franchise for years, especially at a position with a short life span. 

1 minute ago, ravensnj said:

Topic: Looking in on 2017.....it's starts with the draft.

It can also mean looking at players on our current roster, which is what this thread was intended for

[Moderator 3]

4 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

Topic: Looking in on 2017.....it's starts with the draft.

We have an entire forum for that. Take it there.

[ravensnj]

Okay, we need the following:

 2 WR, 2CB, 1 Center, 2 OLB, 1 KR and 1 FS.

[Dewy101]

6 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Okay, we need the following:

 2 WR, 2CB, 1 Center, 2 OLB, 1 KR and 1 FS.

Subtract 1 CB and add a guard/right tackle

[rmcjacket23]

10 hours ago, ravensnj said:

Okay, we need the following:

 2 WR, 2CB, 1 Center, 2 OLB, 1 KR and 1 FS.

That's a 3 year project... at best.