Looking in at 2017

[BmoreBird22]

20 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

I think his ability to pass block isn't as bad as some think or perceive.  The distance for contact with the DL is shortened when playing center.  Many folks thought AQ Shipley couldn't be relied on.......seems to be doing just fine in AZ.  I would say Jensen is better than AQ. 

I love the premise of the "new kid in town" is always the better answer.  How is that philosophy working in Alex Lewis? 

Jensen is 25 and in his 4th year.  I'll trust him more than any green rookie right now at C.  I'll trust him more than Zuttah right now as well.

It will be interesting to see if the coaching staff / FO believes he deserves that opportunity.

I wouldn't be so quick to overlook a rookie center.

More and more high pick rookie centers seem to be doing very well. recently, off the top of my head, Frederick, Kelly, and Whitehair are all doing/did exceptionally well. With Castillo, I'd trust it.

[VermontRaven]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wouldn't be so quick to overlook a rookie center.

More and more high pick rookie centers seem to be doing very well. recently, off the top of my head, Frederick, Kelly, and Whitehair are all doing/did exceptionally well. With Castillo, I'd trust it.

Definitely doesn't hurt to bring in a rookie center, then have a competition for the spot between the rookie, Jensen, Urschel, and whoever else might be competing for it.

[PurpleCity5]

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Jeffery will be interesting. Certainly don't see him here because that's just not our style, but I'm highly interested in what Chicago will do there.

Looks very much like they'll have a new QB next season after they move on from Cutler, and so it would make sense to basically start from scratch offensively. But Jeffery is the kind of receiver fresh QBs dream about, so we will have to see.

Well if Breshad Perriman doesn't show anything going forward, it will certainly make things much more interesting. The guy has missed so much time but if this theme of his disappearing in games continues, than how can you trust him going forward? Injury concerns are certainly there as well and it sounds like the Ravens are growing frustrated with him

I don't think Chicago is willing to pay Jeffery the money that he desires. They're paying him in the range of Julio and AJ under the franchise tag and he's not playing near to there level. Of course both of them have stable QB play which Alshon simply does not have. I personally think Alshon could be in that top 7 WR category with a QB of Joe's caliber. We've seen what Mike Wallace can do with a QB who can throw the Football, I think Jeffery could do great things here. I mean, just look at what Marvin Jones is doing right now. Hearing the trade rumors surrounding Jeffery also makes it seem unlikely they will pay him $14M.

Of course that's not how we do things, but here's what got me really thinking, our motto of not breaking the bank has been going on for a long time and it has been successful, but if there is any position that I think we would break the bank in out side of maybe pass rusher, than it would have to be at WR. People on this board talk about what an elite pass rusher does for the defense, we haven't even gone over what an elite WR does for an offense. They do so much, I don't want to go over it since I know that you know what they do, but WR has been a problem year after year for how long now? 4 years? For all the reasons that you can point out this team has not been able to accomplish much since our SB win because of the secondary, you could easily make a similar argument for WR if not an even better one. The team might be tired of having to shop for a WR every single year and would feel like they just want to be done with it. Alshon put up 1,400 with good QB play, he's certainly capable here. If he's going for 9-10-11M per year, then I wouldn't rule it out this team in being interested. Someone of Alshon's caliber can help us in a lot of area's, whether it be the run game, Offensive line, other WRs, or even QB play, where we're all struggling. One of the best ways to help fix position holes on the roster is countering it with an elite player or strength at a position. No other position on offense outside of QB impacts an offense like WR. Yeah, an elite LTs is great, but teams still struggle to move the ball even with an elite LT with holes on the offense. It takes a collective unit of an offensive line to mask the flaws of the run and pass game but even that can't get it done.

I know I'm typing a lot, lol but lastly, I would also like to point this out. One of the arguments against the Ravens going out there and getting an elite WR is that we don't need one because the recent teams who have gone to the SB and don't have one. Carolina is typically used as the best example but Cam Newton was playing at an elite level. When Joe is asked to shoulder the load, he just doesn't play well. Not a lot of guys can shoulder the load and Joe hasn't shown at this moment that he can do that. Teams that have won the SB, Giants, Ravens, Patriots, Broncos, have all had elite QB play, or an explosive offense. Now Denver had a good set of offensive pieces, just horrible QB play at the time. I don't think you can ask Joe to shoulder the load, I think what you have to do is give him some help and let him play at the level you pay him at. 

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Certainly possible. Interior offensive line figures to be a point of emphasis in the offseason, though it may just be offensive line in general. If we let Wagner walk and roll with Stanley and Lewis at tackles (which I'm fine with), our depth at tackle  becomes arguably a bigger issue than interior line depth, since we will still have Jensen and Urschel here along with Yanda. My guess is the emphasis will be more on finding a Center (could be FA acquisition for all we know) and adding just general OL depth, regardless of position.

What I think we are seeing is that we have the depth to sustain an injury to a tackle or something like that, but we don't have the depth to sustain 2-3 injuries to the offensive line at the same time. In theory no team does, but when your starters at certain positions aren't that great to begin with, it makes it even worse.

 

The interior of the OL looks weak if we're moving Lewis. I think we're going to be moving on from Zuttah if his poor play continues. If Jensen's pass blocking was never a problem then he would absolutely start. I wouldn't rule out trading for a center either, we traded for Zuttah, and we traded for Eugene Monroe. We can certainly look towards trading for a C. FA class of centers looks awful and we might want to use our 1st couple of picks elsewhere. It's too early to tell if the FA class of C's look bad to some, there could certainly be a cut guy similar to Josh Sitton, but you just don't see those kind of guys often. I think we get a Center via trade or draft. Jensen is a guy who gives you depth IMO.

[PurpleCity5]

4 hours ago, Cawtious said:

I think his ability to pass block isn't as bad as some think or perceive.  The distance for contact with the DL is shortened when playing center.  Many folks thought AQ Shipley couldn't be relied on.......seems to be doing just fine in AZ.  I would say Jensen is better than AQ. 

I love the premise of the "new kid in town" is always the better answer.  How is that philosophy working in Alex Lewis? 

Jensen is 25 and in his 4th year.  I'll trust him more than any green rookie right now at C.  I'll trust him more than Zuttah right now as well.

It will be interesting to see if the coaching staff / FO believes he deserves that opportunity.

I don't think his pass blocking is as good as you would hope it to be. If it were than he certainly would be starting at the moment. No way Zuttah would still be out there if Jensen's pass blocking capabilities weren't as good or at the very least a fraction worse. I don't see how Lewis can be brought into the argument, he's showing what you would like to see in a rookie and is shifting all over the offensive line. How would Ryan Jensen play if he were the new kid in town? Stanley is also a rookie and is a good solution to our LT problem. As BmoreBird22 said, rookie Cs are actually doing well coming out of college. I think its a good time to get one. 

Also, I don't think Jensen wasn't given the opportunity to win the starting job. He should have been with Zuttah not being the clear answer at Center. He did rework his deal, but there were questions over whether he was going to remain on the team. 

I would also point out that Jensen hasn't even played at Center much. We've seen him mainly at LG; it's Urschel who has been playing Center. So in all honesty, I don't think it points to him to be a sure thing there.

 

[Dewy101]

15 hours ago, iceripper said:

There is no center in FA. The often mentioned Matt Paradis is an erfa. The only way to get a new center is through the draft. 

I'd like to draft a pass rusher or a DB in the first and second. Guard is also a need. But I think Zeitler or Leary are relatively cheap FAs.

 

JC Tretter has been excellent for the packers this season. He's worth paying imo a huge upgrade over Zuttah

[Cawtious]

16 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I don't think his pass blocking is as good as you would hope it to be. If it were than he certainly would be starting at the moment. No way Zuttah would still be out there if Jensen's pass blocking capabilities weren't as good or at the very least a fraction worse. I don't see how Lewis can be brought into the argument, he's showing what you would like to see in a rookie and is shifting all over the offensive line. How would Ryan Jensen play if he were the new kid in town? Stanley is also a rookie and is a good solution to our LT problem. As BmoreBird22 said, rookie Cs are actually doing well coming out of college. I think its a good time to get one. 

Also, I don't think Jensen wasn't given the opportunity to win the starting job. He should have been with Zuttah not being the clear answer at Center. He did rework his deal, but there were questions over whether he was going to remain on the team. 

I would also point out that Jensen hasn't even played at Center much. We've seen him mainly at LG; it's Urschel who has been playing Center. So in all honesty, I don't think it points to him to be a sure thing there.

 

Jensen ran as the second team center for a majority of camp.  Jensen has been shifted all around the offensive line as well.  Check back at his second year.  He missed his rookie campaign with a broken foot.  He was cut, and had apnea issues early in his second year.  He fought his way back to the active roster at the end of that year.  Last year he started 5 games.  He even played Tackle vs. Saints, I believe in the pre-season game in 2015. 

I bring Lewis into the discussion because its indicative of what happens when you shift someone all over the line (just like Jensen has and continues to be) and get marginal results early in their playing career.  I believe Alex will develop very well, but he's having some understandable struggles. 

Zuttah wasn't going to be beat out by a ERFA making 660K this year.  He's being paid to play, and unless he was just flat out horrible, he wasn't going to be supplanted in the last year of his contract.  Just a financial fact. 

I believe Jensen will be tendered and hopefully retained.  I think he's earned a shot now to start at Center.  Zuttah is not keeping the center of the pocket clear, and his opposition isn't going to get any easier the remainder of this year. 

 

 

[Ravensfan23]

11 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

Jensen ran as the second team center for a majority of camp.  Jensen has been shifted all around the offensive line as well.  Check back at his second year.  He missed his rookie campaign with a broken foot.  He was cut, and had apnea issues early in his second year.  He fought his way back to the active roster at the end of that year.  Last year he started 5 games.  He even played Tackle vs. Saints, I believe in the pre-season game in 2015. 

I bring Lewis into the discussion because its indicative of what happens when you shift someone all over the line (just like Jensen has and continues to be) and get marginal results early in their playing career.  I believe Alex will develop very well, but he's having some understandable struggles. 

Zuttah wasn't going to be beat out by a ERFA making 660K this year.  He's being paid to play, and unless he was just flat out horrible, he wasn't going to be supplanted in the last year of his contract.  Just a financial fact. 

I believe Jensen will be tendered and hopefully retained.  I think he's earned a shot now to start at Center.  Zuttah is not keeping the center of the pocket clear, and his opposition isn't going to get any easier the remainder of this year. 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Jensen is starting at Center after the bye at some point. I understand Zuttah not losing his job in camp, but it's proven that he's not playing well right now and Jensen has held up better and better with each game. I think Zuttah will get 1 more shot vs the Steelers and see how he does with the oline at full strength. But him getting dominated and pushed back into the QB isn't gonna cut it. 

I would have spent the entire bye week getting Jensen up to speed at Center with line calls and adjustments. As a fan i'm ready to move forward with Lewis, Jensen and Yanda in the interior. Just gotta make sure Yanda is good to go. 

[Cawtious]

35 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Jensen is starting at Center after the bye at some point. I understand Zuttah not losing his job in camp, but it's proven that he's not playing well right now and Jensen has held up better and better with each game. I think Zuttah will get 1 more shot vs the Steelers and see how he does with the oline at full strength. But him getting dominated and pushed back into the QB isn't gonna cut it. 

I would have spent the entire bye week getting Jensen up to speed at Center with line calls and adjustments. As a fan i'm ready to move forward with Lewis, Jensen and Yanda in the interior. Just gotta make sure Yanda is good to go. 

My guess is he's already there.  He was second on the depth chart for C, so my bet is he's ready.  Besides, they cannot have any coaching during the bye week, if I remember correctly.  I would be surprised if Stanley is back this next week, though.  I had heard, I think from Filmstudy, that he suffered a setback prior to the game last week which stopped him from playing.  I hope he's ready.

We cannot afford a poor showing by the OL next week.  Our hopes for a decent season start with beating the Steelers at home next week.

[terrynjulia03]

I thought Urschel was the designated guy to replace Zuttah, than he got knocked for paying more attention to math and getting his doctorate? At least that's how it was last offseason. He's obviously smart enough for C. With Jensen being the guy expected to step in at LG, before we drafted Lewis. Check the pre draft expected line starters and that's what you'll see. Than again you had a lot of people advocating that Urschel didn't care enough about football and hard to rely on long term. Given what he's shown so far I'm starting to feel the same. 

 

As for Lewis, he was always projected as a RT, or a backup swing tackle. Absolutely no expert picked him as a projected guard. Now Wagner is a UFA in 2017. Do they let him walk and move Lewis to RT? 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 28, 2016 by terrynjulia03

[VermontRaven]

47 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Now Wagner is a UFA in 2017. Do they let him walk and move Lewis to RT? 

I think this depends on what the market value for Wagner is. If he's not too expensive, it makes sense to play him at RT and Lewis at LG--then you have a serviceable backup swing tackle in Lewis. But-if some team is willing to spend big money on Wagner, then I think Lewis goes to RT and we look to draft or FA to fill that backup swing tackle role and bring in another interior lineman or 2 to compete with Urschel and Jensen.

[PurpleCity5]

12 hours ago, Cawtious said:

Jensen ran as the second team center for a majority of camp.  Jensen has been shifted all around the offensive line as well.  Check back at his second year.  He missed his rookie campaign with a broken foot.  He was cut, and had apnea issues early in his second year.  He fought his way back to the active roster at the end of that year.  Last year he started 5 games.  He even played Tackle vs. Saints, I believe in the pre-season game in 2015. 

I bring Lewis into the discussion because its indicative of what happens when you shift someone all over the line (just like Jensen has and continues to be) and get marginal results early in their playing career.  I believe Alex will develop very well, but he's having some understandable struggles. 

Zuttah wasn't going to be beat out by a ERFA making 660K this year.  He's being paid to play, and unless he was just flat out horrible, he wasn't going to be supplanted in the last year of his contract.  Just a financial fact. 

I believe Jensen will be tendered and hopefully retained.  I think he's earned a shot now to start at Center.  Zuttah is not keeping the center of the pocket clear, and his opposition isn't going to get any easier the remainder of this year. 

 

In that sense, I wouldn't even leave Urschel out of the conversation in taking the starting job from Zuttah. He's always been in the convo and has gotten the most reps at the position. Jensen may have ran 2nd team reps, but Urschel has gotten the game time reps and have gone up against starting caliber DT/NT's, Jensen has not. It would make sense for Urschel to get the starting nod at Center rather than Jensen. 

As far as Lewis goes, I assumed that you meant that a rookie isn't always the best answer to OL issues. Shifting all over the OL is tough for anyone, doesn't matter if you're a rookie, not even Yanda is perfect at RT. If he was, I promise you that where he would be right now. 

Also, Zuttah doesn't have the highest cap number. His dead money isn't going to kill you so him losing the starting job has nothing to do with cap number. He's also a guy who can be shifted to LG, where he played in Tampa. There's plenty of flexibility that you can have with Zuttah is you choose to keep him on the bench.
I certainly think Zuttah is walking on thin ice right now, but if someone were to start I don't see why Urschel shouldn't be in the conversation. He's gotten significantly more reps at C and has gone against more quality competition and who I believe to be the better pass blocker. 

What's even more damning for Jensen's pass blocking limitations is that he lost the starting LG job to Alex Lewis. Jensen started the remaining five games last year at LG and has the most reps there. It wouldn't seem to make sense how Jensen was beat out by Lewis unless it was for his pass blocking, where Lewis excels out. 

[PurpleCity5]

11 hours ago, terrynjulia03 said:

I thought Urschel was the designated guy to replace Zuttah, than he got knocked for paying more attention to math and getting his doctorate? At least that's how it was last offseason. He's obviously smart enough for C. With Jensen being the guy expected to step in at LG, before we drafted Lewis. Check the pre draft expected line starters and that's what you'll see. Than again you had a lot of people advocating that Urschel didn't care enough about football and hard to rely on long term. Given what he's shown so far I'm starting to feel the same. 

 

As for Lewis, he was always projected as a RT, or a backup swing tackle. Absolutely no expert picked him as a projected guard. Now Wagner is a UFA in 2017. Do they let him walk and move Lewis to RT? 

 

 

 

 

I think Urschel is the guy to replace Zuttah. I just trust him more, he's gotten more reps there and has gone up against quality starting DTs/NTs. I won't question if Urschel cares about Football because listening to him talk about it seems like he does. 

Lewis seems like the guy very likely to take the RT job. Wagner has not played well recently but I hope he bounces back for our sake, I still don't expect him back because of the fact that there are other guys we would probably rather keep. 

[Inqui]

On 10/28/2016 at 1:30 PM, Dewy101 said:

JC Tretter has been excellent for the packers this season. He's worth paying imo a huge upgrade over Zuttah

He's worth paying if he hits the market. The Packers almost always take care of their guys, so I'm not getting my hopes up on his availability.

[Dewy101]

4 hours ago, Inqui said:

He's worth paying if he hits the market. The Packers almost always take care of their guys, so I'm not getting my hopes up on his availability.

True but Corey Linsey was the projected starter, I think that is Ted Thompsons guy; what really scares me is the lack of cap space next season as of right now the Chiefs, Jets, Cowboys, and Eagles have less cap space heading into next season. Sure we can cut some guys but even then we'll barely be below the average cap space in the league. So where is all this money going? It sure doesn't show on the field. I don't think we'll be in the mix for some free agent signings. Especially guys like Tretter(the best center available) is going to be overpaided by a team in need. I don't even think we're going to be able to retain most of our free agents.  I don't think we're going to be contenders until 2018. 

Edited October 29, 2016 by Dewy101

[Cawtious]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

In that sense, I wouldn't even leave Urschel out of the conversation in taking the starting job from Zuttah. He's always been in the convo and has gotten the most reps at the position. Jensen may have ran 2nd team reps, but Urschel has gotten the game time reps and have gone up against starting caliber DT/NT's, Jensen has not. It would make sense for Urschel to get the starting nod at Center rather than Jensen. 

As far as Lewis goes, I assumed that you meant that a rookie isn't always the best answer to OL issues. Shifting all over the OL is tough for anyone, doesn't matter if you're a rookie, not even Yanda is perfect at RT. If he was, I promise you that where he would be right now. 

Also, Zuttah doesn't have the highest cap number. His dead money isn't going to kill you so him losing the starting job has nothing to do with cap number. He's also a guy who can be shifted to LG, where he played in Tampa. There's plenty of flexibility that you can have with Zuttah is you choose to keep him on the bench.
I certainly think Zuttah is walking on thin ice right now, but if someone were to start I don't see why Urschel shouldn't be in the conversation. He's gotten significantly more reps at C and has gone against more quality competition and who I believe to be the better pass blocker. 

What's even more damning for Jensen's pass blocking limitations is that he lost the starting LG job to Alex Lewis. Jensen started the remaining five games last year at LG and has the most reps there. It wouldn't seem to make sense how Jensen was beat out by Lewis unless it was for his pass blocking, where Lewis excels out. 

Jensen never took reps at LG during camp, so when did this competition take place?  He was moved over to Center right off the bat.

 

[terrynjulia03]

10 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think Urschel is the guy to replace Zuttah. I just trust him more, he's gotten more reps there and has gone up against quality starting DTs/NTs. I won't question if Urschel cares about Football because listening to him talk about it seems like he does. 

Lewis seems like the guy very likely to take the RT job. Wagner has not played well recently but I hope he bounces back for our sake, I still don't expect him back because of the fact that there are other guys we would probably rather keep. 

Urschel did decent during those games last year, but this year he's looked pretty bad. I'd like to get Filmstudy take on it and review his grades on Urschel last year and this year. Unfortunately this forum isn't very user friendly, needs vbulletin lol. 

In a perfect world I'd say we resign Wagner at a team friendly deal, considering looking at who "possibly" needs a RT next year, OR a upgrade I think he will prob only have at max 3 teams "interested". It's not like he's a instant upgrade to even half the teams in the league. Subtracting out teams teams rather resigning their own player, teams that won't have the cap space to overprice him, etc... I don't see teams going after him like they did KO. 

Urschel grades out and is the C for the foreseeable future, Lewis stays at LG, with a possible transition in 2018/19 to RG if Yanda hangs them up??? Another biggie we have to look at later on. And this year and next continue to draft OL in the middle rounds to see and/or groom along the line. 

[PurpleCity5]

3 hours ago, Cawtious said:

Jensen never took reps at LG during camp, so when did this competition take place?  He was moved over to Center right off the bat.

 

Yeah he never did compete for the LG job, by my question is why he wasn't given the opportunity to compete for it? He was the starting LG and had a string of successful games last year. I would guess that his pass blocking limitations could have influenced that, he has more reps at LG against starting caliber defenses than center. I don't know if the team has confidence in Jensen to begin with IMO. 

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Urschel did decent during those games last year, but this year he's looked pretty bad. I'd like to get Filmstudy take on it and review his grades on Urschel last year and this year. Unfortunately this forum isn't very user friendly, needs vbulletin lol. 

In a perfect world I'd say we resign Wagner at a team friendly deal, considering looking at who "possibly" needs a RT next year, OR a upgrade I think he will prob only have at max 3 teams "interested". It's not like he's a instant upgrade to even half the teams in the league. Subtracting out teams teams rather resigning their own player, teams that won't have the cap space to overprice him, etc... I don't see teams going after him like they did KO. 

Urschel grades out and is the C for the foreseeable future, Lewis stays at LG, with a possible transition in 2018/19 to RG if Yanda hangs them up??? Another biggie we have to look at later on. And this year and next continue to draft OL in the middle rounds to see and/or groom along the line. 

Urschel had a good game against the Giants, against the Jets it was a different story but we all know how Jensen did against Oakland and yes, it was awful. I think Jensen has done well lately, but Center is a position in which you would want the most familiar player. 

As far as Wagner goes, I personally would just look to build CB or OLB with the money you would give him. That's the luxury of what Lewis gives us. I can see us going LG first round, and Center 2nd round if we invest in CB/OLB highly in FA. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Interesting. That happened.

Just looking at other team forums around the league it seems only the 'historically' worst franchises start a 'Looking Forward' thread this early in a season. Most of them have simply just given-up on any hope of winning, becoming relevant and others seem to believe in a 'Great Pumpkin' sort of thing.

Interesting...and sad.

[Ravenseconbeast]

23 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I think this depends on what the market value for Wagner is. If he's not too expensive, it makes sense to play him at RT and Lewis at LG--then you have a serviceable backup swing tackle in Lewis. But-if some team is willing to spend big money on Wagner, then I think Lewis goes to RT and we look to draft or FA to fill that backup swing tackle role and bring in another interior lineman or 2 to compete with Urschel and Jensen.

 

I think we'd let Wagner shop.  But we should give him a good offer that is more than competitive.   He has had above average performances ever since he started @year1.   He is injured now twice which set him back for a good while.   Worried about his durability.  But if he have some money left in the tank it should be a priority.

[Wildabeast88]

On October 22, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Somerset Ravens said:

Of all the players listed only a couple would  be difficult to replace.

It doesn't matter every other thread on here says all those guys suck and are busts so it shouldn't matter right. 

[Wildabeast88]

If we cut Dumervil, Webb, Watson, Zuttah, Arrington, and Kendrick Lewis that old save us about 18.5 mil. Dumervil is done declined last year non existent this year so Judon. Or ZDS can slide in his spot Webb started ok but the last few games has been shaky. Watson there is no real reason for us to keep him. Zuttah is well Zuttah tester than Gino worse than most. Lewis and Arrington might as well already go. I think we should resign B. Williams, Aiken while buried this year with SSS retiring we should try to keep him. Juice I would keep along with Levine. To early to tell about Elam but should be a very them friendly deal. Also let's add West to the list and Orr will also be a FA.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Somerset Ravens]

29 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

It doesn't matter every other thread on here says all those guys suck and are busts so it shouldn't matter right. 

Obviously it matters, we need better players.

[Wildabeast88]

50 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Obviously it matters, we need better players.

Just a hint of sarcasm but seriously there are 3 threads talking about how everyone we drafted in the last 8 years has sucked but yet everyone is freaking out. I believe keeping B. Will is important and I think improving is ideal. Read my post just ahead of this one then tell me something. 

[Dewy101]

1 hour ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Just a hint of sarcasm but seriously there are 3 threads talking about how everyone we drafted in the last 8 years has sucked but yet everyone is freaking out. I believe keeping B. Will is important and I think improving is ideal. Read my post just ahead of this one then tell me something. 

There's no way we keep Williams especially with our cap space. He's not Ngata who in his prime provided pass rush and elite run defense. Williams is an elite run defender and that's it. Look for Williams to demand Damon Harrison money if not more. I see a team like the 49ers paying him big time money since they need a big nose to stop the run

Edited October 29, 2016 by Dewy101

[JoeyFlex5]

49 minutes ago, Dewy101 said:

There's no way we keep Williams especially with our cap space. He's not Ngata who in his prime provided pass rush and elite run defense. Williams is an elite run defender and that's it. Look for Williams to demand Damon Harrison money if not more. I see a team like the 49ers paying him big time money since they need a big nose to stop the run

I got him going to the redskins. Last I checked they really need a NT to make their front seven work and they'll have the cap space for it depending on how they structure the cousins deal. 

[Somerset Ravens]

3 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Just a hint of sarcasm but seriously there are 3 threads talking about how everyone we drafted in the last 8 years has sucked but yet everyone is freaking out. I believe keeping B. Will is important and I think improving is ideal. Read my post just ahead of this one then tell me something. 

Your suggested roster cuts would give us about 32m available salary cap. I would guess about 7m of that for our draft choices leaving 25m to sign veteran players. I think Brandon Williams will be too expensive to sign, he is a top tier run stuffer but doesn't produce pressure on the quarterback which we need desperately. Hopefully our front office will put a strong emphasis on the offensive line during the off season. I would like to see us use 2 of our top 3 picks on the OL plus bring in a veteran offensive lineman in free agency. This would allow us to run a more balanced offense.

[Maryland]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I got him going to the redskins. Last I checked they really need a NT to make their front seven work and they'll have the cap space for it depending on how they structure the cousins deal. 

That's a pretty good projection. I think they had Ziggy Hood starting vs us lol. 

-Plus B.Will would probably like it since he doesn't have to move far.

Edited October 30, 2016 by Maryland

[Wildabeast88]

18 hours ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Your suggested roster cuts would give us about 32m available salary cap. I would guess about 7m of that for our draft choices leaving 25m to sign veteran players. I think Brandon Williams will be too expensive to sign, he is a top tier run stuffer but doesn't produce pressure on the quarterback which we need desperately. Hopefully our front office will put a strong emphasis on the offensive line during the off season. I would like to see us use 2 of our top 3 picks on the OL plus bring in a veteran offensive lineman in free agency. This would allow us to run a more balanced offense.

I agree about addressing the O-line especially the interior I like Stanley and Lewis as my T's and with Yanda I feel maybe 1 pick on the O-line and a couple pass rushers. Don't count out B. Will yet he might stay I feel he will be a priority.