Looking in at 2017

[Dewy101]

I know the season isn't over but I decided to look into 2017 and the Ravens roster might be a mess. 

2017

FA: Ricky Wagner

Brandon Williams

Steve Smith

Kamar Aiken

Matt Elam

Lawrence Guy

Anthony Levine

Will Davis

Kyle Juszczyk

Jerraud Powers

Devin Hester

Ryan Mallett

A good amount of depth players along with starters are projected FAs at this point. 

The cut candidates just based on poor play, overpay, cap room, and injuries leading them to be unavailable 

Elvis Dumervil

Lardarius Webb

Benjamin Watson

Sharecee Wright

Jeremy Zuttah

Kyle Arrington

Kendrick Lewis

We have a lot of holes going into next season, I'm not sure a draft and offseason pick ups will may this team any better next season

[jboy19]

Im not too worried. Brandon Williams is probably the only FA that will price himself off the team, and Michael Pierce should be making everyone feel okay about that. The rest would be pretty easy to get back. 

I also have some doubts about your projected cap casualties. I dont think anybody on that list is so expensive that they're worth cutting. Webb and Doom are possibilities, but I doubt that Wright or Zuttah is going anywhere since they're pretty cheap and have actually played pretty decently in the past couple games. The other 3 are injured and that probably will affect their statuses more than anything. 

[Somerset Ravens]

Of all the players listed only a couple would  be difficult to replace.

[Maryland]

Ricky Wagner Definite Comp. pick with Lewis the future RT

Brandon Williams Possible comp. pick, depends if he's seeking Damon Harrison money

Steve Smith Retired

Kamar Aiken Might not even be a comp. pick after this season, but probably leaving because we barely use him

Matt Elam Re-signs on a short-term prove-it deal 

Lawrence Guy Seems like a solid player we re-sign for cheap, considering the lack of depth at DE. Otherwise, provides a late comp. pick

Anthony Levine Unsure

Will Davis Unsure, definitely won't fetch a comp. pick

Kyle Juszczyk Probably depends on our OC for 2017

Jerraud Powers Cut

Devin Hester Cut or retires

Ryan Mallett Unsure, but if he does leave, late-round comp. pick.

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Elvis Dumervil 100% cut, but may re-resign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Lardarius Webb 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Benjamin Watson 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Sharecee Wright Unsure, coaching staff seems to love him regardless of performance

Jeremy Zuttah Unsure, too early to tell

Kyle Arrington 100% cut

Kendrick Lewis 100% cut

 

--also, fans aren't going to want to hear it, but Mike Wallace could also be cut, since they would save over $5 mil against the cap, though I think an extension is worked out instead. This was basically a 1-year deal from the start with a chance for an extension. Pitta could also be a cut candidate, depending on how he finishes the season.

Edited October 23, 2016 by Maryland

[Jonah DeVito]

31 minutes ago, Maryland said:

Ricky Wagner Definite Comp. pick with Lewis the future RT

Brandon Williams Possible comp. pick, depends if he's seeking Damon Harrison money

Steve Smith Retired

Kamar Aiken Might not even be a comp. pick after this season, but definitely leaving because we barely use him

Matt Elam Re-signs on a short-term prove-it deal 

Lawrence Guy Seems like a solid player we re-sign for cheap, considering the lack of depth at DE. Otherwise, provides a late comp. pick

Anthony Levine Unsure

Will Davis Unsure, definitely won't fetch a comp. pick

Kyle Juszczyk Probably depends on our OC for 2017

Jerraud Powers Cut

Devin Hester Cut or retires

Ryan Mallett Unsure, but if he does leave, late-round comp. pick.

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Elvis Dumervil 100% cut, but may re-resign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Lardarius Webb 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Benjamin Watson 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Sharecee Wright Unsure, coaching staff seems to love him regardless of performance

Jeremy Zuttah Unsure, too early to tell

Kyle Arrington 100% cut

Kendrick Lewis 100% cut

 

--also, fans aren't going to want to hear it, but Mike Wallace could also be cut, since they would save over $5 mil against the cap, though I think an extension is worked out instead. This was basically a 1-year deal from the start with a chance for an extension. Pitta could also be a cut candidate, depending on how he finishes the season.

Wow we have Ozzie over here. I can name several of these that are very likely to be wrong. 

[Maryland]

11 minutes ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Wow we have Ozzie over here. I can name several of these that are very likely to be wrong. 

I invite you to start the discussion then, friend  

[wizard1]

6 hours ago, Dewy101 said:

I know the season isn't over but I decided to look into 2017 and the Ravens roster might be a mess. 

2017

FA: Ricky Wagner

Brandon Williams

Steve Smith

Kamar Aiken

Matt Elam

Lawrence Guy

Anthony Levine

Will Davis

Kyle Juszczyk

Jerraud Powers

Devin Hester

Ryan Mallett

A good amount of depth players along with starters are projected FAs at this point. 

The cut candidates just based on poor play, overpay, cap room, and injuries leading them to be unavailable 

Elvis Dumervil

Lardarius Webb

Benjamin Watson

Sharecee Wright

Jeremy Zuttah

Kyle Arrington

Kendrick Lewis

We have a lot of holes going into next season, I'm not sure a draft and offseason pick ups will may this team any better next season

You guys really make me laugh. This is Har-Ball and Ozzie at it's best. They are the culprits.  Replace them and we have a good start. Ya' all think it's the players. Well part of it is the players but the bigger part is the coaches and GM that puts this team in place. Once and for all get Har-ball and Ozzie outta here.

[wizard1]

8 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

You guys really make me laugh. This is Har-Ball and Ozzie at it's best. They are the culprits.  Replace them and we have a good start. Ya' all think it's the players. Well part of it is the players but the bigger part is the coaches and GM that puts this team in place. Once and for all get Har-ball and Ozzie outta here.

Wallace, Richardson, Watson, Stanley, Correa, Forsette and again Forsette, Perriman, Hester, Mallett, Jake Long, the list goes on and on and on. Fined by the NFL for rules violations. Dishonesty about injuries. Really poor drafting. These are coaches and GM decisions. We are laughing stocks in the NFL. Teams are making fun of us. We look like idiots. It's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. As with any failing organization ,you start at the top and work your way down.

Let the ball start rolling tomorrow. Together we can create a movement.

Edited October 23, 2016 by wizard1
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[AppStRavenfan]

1 hour ago, Maryland said:

Kamar Aiken Might not even be a comp. pick after this season, but definitely leaving because we barely use him

Anthony Levine Unsure

Kyle Juszczyk Probably depends on our OC for 2017

Ryan Mallett Unsure, but if he does leave, late-round comp. pick.

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Elvis Dumervil 100% cut, but may re-resign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Jeremy Zuttah Unsure, too early to tell

I don't think Aiken is definitely going to leave, with Smith retiring - and if Wallace is gone like you think - then there's plenty of reason to keep him around as he'd be unquestionably the starter.

Levine will probably be re-signed, provides solid ST play and is a tool on defense.

I don't think there's any way we let Juice go, great blocker and receiver and FBs don't demand much money.

Mallett is tough, but I'm sure he'll be re-signed as he would be cheap and is a solid backup

I wouldn't say Doom is 100% cut, we're still incredibly thin at pass rusher and now Suggs' future is in jeopardy.

I doubt Zuttah is going anywhere, we currently have no clear backup at center - we have guys like Urschel who can step in in a pinch but Zuttah has regained his form the past couple weeks and he's our best option there until we draft and develop someone to take over. I'm still skeptical if Urschel is our long term solution there, I think he's our long term guy at LG when Lewis is moved to RT.

[Maryland]

5 minutes ago, AppStRavenfan said:

I don't think Aiken is definitely going to leave, with Smith retiring - and if Wallace is gone like you think - then there's plenty of reason to keep him around as he'd be unquestionably the starter.

Levine will probably be re-signed, provides solid ST play and is a tool on defense.

I don't think there's any way we let Juice go, great blocker and receiver and FBs don't demand much money.

Mallett is tough, but I'm sure he'll be re-signed as he would be cheap and is a solid backup

I wouldn't say Doom is 100% cut, we're still incredibly thin at pass rusher and now Suggs' future is in jeopardy.

I doubt Zuttah is going anywhere, we currently have no clear backup at center - we have guys like Urschel who can step in in a pinch but Zuttah has regained his form the past couple weeks and he's our best option there until we draft and develop someone to take over. I'm still skeptical if Urschel is our long term solution there, I think he's our long term guy at LG when Lewis is moved to RT.

With Aiken, it sounded like he was frustrated with his role on this team. Can't remember the comment specifically, but it was something along the lines of "Am I disappointed with my role on the team? It is what it is. I have to try harder, etc." If Aiken is frustrated with his role on the team, especially in a contract year, he could leave simply out of spite and go to a team like the Rams who have even less depth at WR. That was my main reasoning. Can't argue that the need at WR on this roster isn't there with SSS leaving. He could be back, I wouldn't rule it out.

With Juszczyk, my reasoning is that not all OCs use a FB. Now, granted, Juice is a dynamic kind of FB compared to your throwback run-blocking FBs, which makes him much more useful overall, but fact is not every team even carries a FB (some just use an additional O-lineman or a TE), so Juszczyk may not be considered useful to our next OC. Alternatively, if our next OC really values a run-blocking FB, then they may want to move on from Juice, since he isn't the best from a pure run-blocking perspective. That's why I think it might depend on who our OC is in 2017.

I think the only way Doom isn't cut is if he accepts a paycut, which is actually equally likely now that I think about it. However, with a base salary of 6 mil, there is zero chance he stays here with that cap hit, and his foot injury makes him too risky to extend, so he's either taking a pay cut or getting cut. Yes, we need rush-LBs, but right player, right price.

I think Zuttah is probably here if he continues his improvement from a dreadful first 3 games of the season, but if we draft a C high, or if Zuttah goes back to struggling, then it becomes a question. 

[reed20]

The biggest thing we need to do this offseason is getting Brandon Williams a long term deal. He's only 27 and arguably the best NT in the league. At the very least tag him..

[Maryland]

12 minutes ago, reed20 said:

The biggest thing we need to do this offseason is getting Brandon Williams a long term deal. He's only 27 and arguably the best NT in the league. At the very least tag him..

Unfortunately, because the NFL isn't very specific with their franchise tag values by position, B.Williams would fall into the DT position, which would cost over 13 million. Needless to say, the franchise tag ain't happening. 

[JoeyFlex5]

if every single one of those FA's leave, i wouldnt even worry. theyre all replaceable, and i imagine most get re-signed. i think wagner and williams leave and lewis and pierce come in and we dont skip a beat, elam will probably barely get veteran minimum somewhere, smitty retires, aiken is a mystery. realistically, the ones i worry about, are lawrence guy and anthony levine, everyone else is highly expendable but those 2 are cheap quality depth guys who not only play depth, but are also focal points of certain packages and can be a starter if needed, you dont find that often. 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, reed20 said:

The biggest thing we need to do this offseason is getting Brandon Williams a long term deal. He's only 27 and arguably the best NT in the league. At the very least tag him..

run stuffing nose tackle to make franchise tag money? no thanks. 

run stuffing nose tackle taking up a big portion of our salary over the next 5 years? no thanks again. 

this team needs to evolve, putting a big chunk of our cap space to brandon williams is a step in the wrong direction.

[jdynamite]

5 hours ago, Jonah DeVito said:

Wow we have Ozzie over here. I can name several of these that are very likely to be wrong. 

 

I don't even understand why you didn't just state your opinion and name them. Lol. 

 

The person you quoted merely gave his opinion to the OP list of potential free agents and cut candidates. 

[jdynamite]

6 hours ago, Maryland said:

Ricky Wagner Definite Comp. pick with Lewis the future RT

Brandon Williams Possible comp. pick, depends if he's seeking Damon Harrison money

Steve Smith Retired

Kamar Aiken Might not even be a comp. pick after this season, but probably leaving because we barely use him

Matt Elam Re-signs on a short-term prove-it deal 

Lawrence Guy Seems like a solid player we re-sign for cheap, considering the lack of depth at DE. Otherwise, provides a late comp. pick

Anthony Levine Unsure

Will Davis Unsure, definitely won't fetch a comp. pick

Kyle Juszczyk Probably depends on our OC for 2017

Jerraud Powers Cut

Devin Hester Cut or retires

Ryan Mallett Unsure, but if he does leave, late-round comp. pick.

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Elvis Dumervil 100% cut, but may re-resign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Lardarius Webb 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Benjamin Watson 100% cut, but may re-sign on a 1-year prove-it deal

Sharecee Wright Unsure, coaching staff seems to love him regardless of performance

Jeremy Zuttah Unsure, too early to tell

Kyle Arrington 100% cut

Kendrick Lewis 100% cut

 

--also, fans aren't going to want to hear it, but Mike Wallace could also be cut, since they would save over $5 mil against the cap, though I think an extension is worked out instead. This was basically a 1-year deal from the start with a chance for an extension. Pitta could also be a cut candidate, depending on how he finishes the season.

I tend to agree with a lot of what you've presented.  For various reasons some of the guys just haven't progressed as well as I expected so re-signing or restructuring them isn't so clear cut. ** Not many of them scream out must keep or can't be replaced **

- Wagner had a solid rookie year, appeared to be a steal, but injuries and consistency have come into play.  I don't feel that he would fetch a high dollar deal on open market, but not sure the Ravens would value him as much as his agent. 

- B.Williams seems destined to be a comp pick to me, simply because the team can't tag him because that would be some high number based on top DT salary, and I'm sure his agent saw whay Snacks Harris signed for as a NT, lastly the emergence of M.Pierce. 

- Aiken unless his usage and stats sky rocket for the rest of the season there's no way he returns. He clearly expected a much bigger role within the offense, now my expectations for him were low, but I thought he'd be a reliable chain mover. 

-Juszczyk is where a differ although I understand the thinking a lot of teams don't value FB these days, but I've always felt that Juice is such a good receiver that he could contribute in a variety of ways. I get that he's short, but I never understood why he's not lumped in with the TEs as far as getting some of those chances in passing situations. When pitta was out and the position was up in the air I always felt he was an overlooked option.  

 

-Dumervil A lot of fans may want to keep around because of Suggs possible retirement and lack of pass rush. But doom is an older player, pass rush specialist, so it's only feasible if he takes a pay cut. Otherwise it's time to continue to bring in young talent and coach them up to be effective. 

[rmcjacket23]

Well, think of it this way. If fans think this team isn't very good, and obviously the talent isn't up to par (which it clearly isn't)... why would you want to keep the same roster in tact?

Of the FA's, there's only a handful of players who we would actually want to keep as starters/quality depth, because a lot of the players on that list are depth and we are clearly lacking in talented depth.

Of the cut candidates, Dumervil is certainly one, but I don't think Webb is at this point. He's in the final year of his deal in 2017, and I think they'll look to extend him at a cheaper rate reflective of his new position. I don't think he's been spectacular at safety, but he and Weddle together have done well at safety this season in my eyes, and I think they like that combination. In particular, if there's a movement to get younger and better at corner, having a veteran safety core makes a ton of sense.

I'm also not convinced they will cut Shareece Wright either, unless they significantly address the position in the offseason. The cap savings isn't that great for a corner who would be pretty good as a #3 in my eyes. But some of the other guys, like Watson/Lewis/Zuttah/Arrington are no brainers.

Edited October 23, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[VermontRaven]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

run stuffing nose tackle to make franchise tag money? no thanks. 

run stuffing nose tackle taking up a big portion of our salary over the next 5 years? no thanks again. 

this team needs to evolve, putting a big chunk of our cap space to brandon williams is a step in the wrong direction.

I agree. I love Brandon Williams, but if he is going to cost 8 mil. + (which I think he will), I think our money is best spent on other positions--such as the secondary or pass rusher

[jboy19]

Another issue with resigning Williams is that it basically guarantees that Jernigan leaves. 

[January J]

53 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Another issue with resigning Williams is that it basically guarantees that Jernigan leaves. 

Yeah IMO it will be one or the other. Jernis having the better season so far atleast on paper but bwill will certainly demand more money I'm sure.

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, jboy19 said:

Another issue with resigning Williams is that it basically guarantees that Jernigan leaves. 

Depends. If the OP is correct and there's a ton of cuts/non-FA resignings on the horizon, that's a ton of cap space that is freed up to do what we want with it.

Put it this way. Ignoring the FA's, if we cut all of the players that the OP suggests we are going to cut, you're looking at clearing $20-25M in cap space.

We're not a team that usually rolls over a ton of space, so we will likely have a lot of money to spend IF we do what the OP says we do.

Spending that money on good internal players is always a good idea.

[Mad Puppy]

Going to be a lot of changes next year.

Unfortunately that means a lot more overpriced free agent acquisitions.

[Mad Puppy]

As much as teh team says they want to create the team from the draft, they do a terrible job of retaining the drafted perfromers past their rookie contract and tend to fill holes with Freee agent aging veterans(Weddle, Doom, Zuttah, SSS, Wallace, Spencer, Huff, Etc....)

The Oline would look great had we kept Grubbs, KO, past their rookie contracts.

Inability to draft a WR in the early rounds(specifically in 2014 when the WR class was a historic superior group) has really hamstrung the team, along with Harbaugh's inability to adjust to the high flying offensive trends. 

[TDubbs]

If we cant get our O-Line healthy and ready to pass protect; we're going to be looking for a new QB in this draft b/c Flacco can't take much more of this beating week in week out. 

[atomicfront]

Wallace, Elvis and Webb will be cut saving 16 milllion.  With the 14 million the team has doesn't seem like they will have any problems with the cap.

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Wallace, Elvis and Webb will be cut saving 16 milllion.  With the 14 million the team has doesn't seem like they will have any problems with the cap.

Think they'll opt to hold onto Wallace.  If you cut him, your WRs are Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore.

[Darhk_Raven]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Think they'll opt to hold onto Wallace.  If you cut him, your WRs are Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore.

I think they will try to give him an extension. Who do you guys think we will look into for OC next year? 

[rmcjacket23]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Think they'll opt to hold onto Wallace.  If you cut him, your WRs are Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore.

 

23 minutes ago, atomicfront said:

Wallace, Elvis and Webb will be cut saving 16 milllion.  With the 14 million the team has doesn't seem like they will have any problems with the cap.

Three most interesting decisions for me. I think you just keep Wallace as is, because he will be 31 next season and we know the speed is going to decline sooner rather than later. He's not a player I'd want to commit to for more than another year.

Webb and Doom are interesting. I can't see either being back on their current cap hits/deals, but I can sort of see both coming back on reduced deals with potentially reduced roles.

I think you can make the same argument for them as you did for Wallace. If you dump Dumervil... who's the rush linebackers? We feel good about Judon and ZaDarius/Suggs? Sure we could add a draftee, but I'm assuming this decision happens prior to the draft.

Same with Webb. Can move on, but how easily to do you plan on addressing that position.

Doom is the most likely to be cut of that group I think. For now, I think the FO still likes Webb, and they will either look to extend him for less, or ask him to take a paycut again in his final year or threaten to cut him.

You get some of these guys back on cap numbers in the say $4-5M range, and they still have value.

[I AM LEGEND]

Wasn't one name you put up there that I would be sad to see go.

 

 

 

[wizard1]

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, think of it this way. If fans think this team isn't very good, and obviously the talent isn't up to par (which it clearly isn't)... why would you want to keep the same roster in tact?

Of the FA's, there's only a handful of players who we would actually want to keep as starters/quality depth, because a lot of the players on that list are depth and we are clearly lacking in talented depth.

Of the cut candidates, Dumervil is certainly one, but I don't think Webb is at this point. He's in the final year of his deal in 2017, and I think they'll look to extend him at a cheaper rate reflective of his new position. I don't think he's been spectacular at safety, but he and Weddle together have done well at safety this season in my eyes, and I think they like that combination. In particular, if there's a movement to get younger and better at corner, having a veteran safety core makes a ton of sense.

I'm also not convinced they will cut Shareece Wright either, unless they significantly address the position in the offseason. The cap savings isn't that great for a corner who would be pretty good as a #3 in my eyes. But some of the other guys, like Watson/Lewis/Zuttah/Arrington are no brainers.

Just one more time that proves not only do you not know anything about football in general but you know absolutely nothing about the Baltimore Ravens.