[News] Late For Work 10/20: Joe Flacco's Injury Not Surprising Behind Banged-Up Line, But Good News Ahead

[mrc724]

  3 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

# 10 sucks too every pass thrown to him he has dropped but they say he can stretch the field are you serious fellas comon! He cant even stretch his arms to catch the ball. And why is Wallace going cross the middle? Something are just hard to understand for the ravens

I agree, Chris Moore has been disappointing so far dropping a TD and game winning FG setup for us. Drops and bad O line play, nothing new for Joe Flacco

Are you listening Ozzie, the last drafts were real misses. You were a top tight end. Why have you been unable to select an elite wide receiver. You've missed so many opportunities, Antonio Brown, and many more. Or is it the coaching, maybe we need to make a change.

[mrc724]

  2 hours ago, robbie29 said:

  2 hours ago, ThatssoRaven1990 said:

  3 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Mallet needs to start Im sick and tired of hearing it's the O line fault every week! The O line not missing wide open WRs and under and over throwing them as well! The Jets D Line will chew up Joe because he needs the wall of china to be effective! Big ben O line must be bad as ours he hurt! Smh Tyrod running and throwing and his record better than ours! Mobile QBs are the future even brady runs but we got a pocket QB that needs the wall of China! Wow! If Joe starts Sunday I can already here the finger pointing blaming the O line again and again!

Joe isn't the problem

Please stop defending the guy. His lack of production is as big a part of the team's problem as the Ravens' inability to keep players healthy, and their inability to draft playmakers for the last 5 years. Since he signed that $126 million dollar contract, the highest he's finished as a QB is 16th in the league (2014). The other two years, he finished 30th and 32nd, and is again ranked near the bottom this year at 27th. That's terrible. He may not be THE problem, but he is a BIG problem.

Please stop attacking the guy. He is doing the best he can with the amount of injuries to our offense. Also coming off a bad injury doesn't help. He is getting his brains beat out Sunday after Sunday. Give it a rest and get behind the team and stop griping.

Maybe we should be looking at strength and conditioning coach, toughen these player up.

[poescrows]

  2 hours ago, robbie29 said:

Please stop defending the guy. His lack of production is as big a part of the team's problem as the Ravens' inability to keep players healthy, and their inability to draft playmakers for the last 5 years. Since he signed that $126 million dollar contract, the highest he's finished as a QB is 16th in the league (2014). The other two years, he finished 30th and 32nd, and is again ranked near the bottom this year at 27th. That's terrible. He may not be THE problem, but he is a BIG problem.

Only looking at QB rating in your assessment of all QBs is also a problem, I'm not sure you understand how deceptive that or any stand alone statistic can truly be. According to you, Dalton is a better QB and we'd be a better team those years with Dalton, and I'd say we'd be worse.

True. As I've always said, stats can say what ever you want them to say depending on how they're presented.

[ken9]

Somebody help me! I am about to turn into a patriot? Help me I am trying to hang on! Never thought this could happen to me thought it only happen to other people? Catch me Iam falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one is going to help you. 3-3 and this is what you have to say. We have issues no doubt, but let's see how it plays out. I'd hate to see what you would say if you were a Browns fan.

[poescrows]

16 minutes ago, ken9 said:

No one is going to help you. 3-3 and this is what you have to say. We have issues no doubt, but let's see how it plays out. I'd hate to see what you would say if you were a Browns fan.

bullet to the head, no doubt.

[Tatt P]

Am I the only one who wants to see Mallett play? He's got more of a personality and attitude that I like. Seems like he could spark the Offense.

[Halshayeji]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. John hasn't said anything about Dumervil recently that suggests he's ready to play anytime soon and he hasn't practiced in quite awhile. When he's back on the practice field, that's when fans can start to predict when he will be back. Guys generally don't play when they don't practice, especially when they missed the prior week.

2. Who's putting pressure on the players to play? The fans? That's not pressure... that's just fanboard guys wanting their guys to play. Fans are kept in the dark about a lot of things, and rightfully so. This should be one of them in my judgment.

Fans that are questioning whether Dumervil should be out there or not are just ignorant. The information telling you that he's not available anytime soon can be widely found in various areas. They're just too lazy to go look for it.

Harbs said its a matter of how much pain he can tolerate a while back

giving ignorant fans an excuse "to call him soft" or "he's washed up" when he clearly wasn't ready 

maybe its s way of throwing off opponents to gameplan for him but I just don't like it. We do it a lot and sometimes it backfires on the players

since off season it's been like he'll be ready any week now

i wish he pulled of a " he'll be ready when he's ready" or "he just came back from surgery and he needs time"

 

[Purple Hazard]

Injuries aren't an excuse but in our case it explains a lot. I think we can say that we have really good starters on every position, but we are not very deep. The gap between starters and backups is too big on certain positions and now we also need to shift people around. We need to get healthy or people need to step up in order to play better football.

[metalraven]

  4 hours ago, ThatssoRaven1990 said:

  4 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Mallet needs to start Im sick and tired of hearing it's the O line fault every week! The O line not missing wide open WRs and under and over throwing them as well! The Jets D Line will chew up Joe because he needs the wall of china to be effective! Big ben O line must be bad as ours he hurt! Smh Tyrod running and throwing and his record better than ours! Mobile QBs are the future even brady runs but we got a pocket QB that needs the wall of China! Wow! If Joe starts Sunday I can already here the finger pointing blaming the O line again and again!

Joe isn't the problem

Please stop defending the guy. His lack of production is as big a part of the team's problem as the Ravens' inability to keep players healthy, and their inability to draft playmakers for the last 5 years. Since he signed that $126 million dollar contract, the highest he's finished as a QB is 16th in the league (2014). The other two years, he finished 30th and 32nd, and is again ranked near the bottom this year at 27th. That's terrible. He may not be THE problem, but he is a BIG problem.

Perfectly stated. There are a lot of problems on this team, and Joe is most certainly one of them.

[The Negotiator]

  6 hours ago, The Negotiator said:

Note for next years draft Ravens you need to trade up. The drafts the last 5 Years have been average at best. We need playmakers game changers. On this current roster I can not name one person who could take over a game like Lewis and Reed or on offense like Jamal Lewis or Anquan the Playmaker Boldin. We have plenty of depth now we need to draft game changers. Time to trade up Oz because trading back has put this organization back a few years.

Mostly right, but how do we know we need to trade up if we don't know our draft position yet? Quite possibly could stay put and get that player without giving up picks. Too early to tell. I generally agree that we don't need to trade back.

I'm saying in past drafts we should have traded up.

[metalraven]

Somebody help me! I am about to turn into a patriot? Help me I am trying to hang on! Never thought this could happen to me thought it only happen to other people? Catch me Iam falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is hilarious. (Not in a good way) That's like siding with Satan. Go for it, bud. You'll fit right in with the rest of the fake Pats fans. Most of their fan base is made up of people like you.

[araveninwaconc]

greeting raven lovers, I must admit as Purple Hazard explained injuries are no excuse but it sure can explain. More importantly it has been expressed around the league how great Oz is? How he manages and twist and use the salary cap so efficiently? Is anyone looking and questioning the loss of Osem? It seems to be bitting us in the rear end no to mention letting Monroe go also with so must trust in our #6 draft pick? Already hit with an injury bug? A foot? Big O was durable and dependable to say the least. Why dosent New E. have these kind of issues? Their next man is always a no name who always seem to shine and thrive in the schemes environment? These are average Joes. We seem to waste time money and energy on playes who spend more time off the field than on. I understand the is no way to predict an injury issue in a player unless his history indicates so. but I believe Oz is the one in a in a slump?

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, The Negotiator said:

I'm saying in past drafts we should have traded up.

They tried to with the Cows but JJ didn't bite. He thought they were targeting Zeke. Smart move. Oz was outfoxed by JJ again. The Ravens are the only team in the league to be outplayed by big D since they robbed the Vikings.

[metalraven]

greeting raven lovers, I must admit as Purple Hazard explained injuries are no excuse but it sure can explain. More importantly it has been expressed around the league how great Oz is? How he manages and twist and use the salary cap so efficiently? Is anyone looking and questioning the loss of Osem? It seems to be bitting us in the rear end no to mention letting Monroe go also with so must trust in our #6 draft pick? Already hit with an injury bug? A foot? Big O was durable and dependable to say the least. Why dosent New E. have these kind of issues? Their next man is always a no name who always seem to shine and thrive in the schemes environment? These are average Joes. We seem to waste time money and energy on playes who spend more time off the field than on. I understand the is no way to predict an injury issue in a player unless his history indicates so. but I believe Oz is the one in a in a slump?

1) Osemele was asking to be paid much higher than the market value of a guard. A price we could not afford; and even if we could, we would not have paid him that much. The Ravens offered him the market value for his position, a very good off, too. He passed, and the Raiders, with seemingly endless cap room, picked up.

2) Munroe would have been a backup - a very expensive backup. You don't pay an oft-injured backup starter money.

3) The Pats have had this current system for what, 15 years? Maybe more. Their success is efficiency and coaching (and cheating). When someone joins the Pats, they know their role, and they do not stray from it.

[araveninwaconc]

We have no energy no fire not impact! We need someone who can get the fire lit. Weddle was suppose to be that one ? He says they can get better? well if you look at Becks last touch down you will see Tavon covering well until Weddle throws a pick on him? The great ones follow his man and the ball if he would have done so perhaps a pick would have been in the making? Watch the tape. Instead
Tavon falls down Beck catches the pass and the rest is history? That was not a vetern move. Perhaps our Savior rest in a mediocre player, someone the right words the right attitude? Are our players not passionate about the gane? I have to question that for most it is just a Job and all about money. Having money is great but having conviction? Ray had conviction SSS has conviction! I love the game with PASSION and wish I could play at my old age(55)? But more importantly at this point what I see is a scrub butt team with no respect for themselves or the fans! Guys we come to see you PLAY LIKE RAVENS!!! This is not the Raven way. I will always be a Raven but like most Fans I am feeling cheated because of the talent and skilled players we do have. Most say they came with a chip on their shoulders? Well at this point if something does not change soon it would appear to me that they mostly lied and just wanted to draw a check like most of us do on our everyday low paying jobs?

[araveninwaconc]

  3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. John hasn't said anything about Dumervil recently that suggests he's ready to play anytime soon and he hasn't practiced in quite awhile. When he's back on the practice field, that's when fans can start to predict when he will be back. Guys generally don't play when they don't practice, especially when they missed the prior week.

2. Who's putting pressure on the players to play? The fans? That's not pressure... that's just fanboard guys wanting their guys to play. Fans are kept in the dark about a lot of things, and rightfully so. This should be one of them in my judgment.

Fans that are questioning whether Dumervil should be out there or not are just ignorant. The information telling you that he's not available anytime soon can be widely found in various areas. They're just too lazy to go look for it.

Harbs said its a matter of how much pain he can tolerate a while back

giving ignorant fans an excuse "to call him soft" or "he's washed up" when he clearly wasn't ready 

maybe its s way of throwing off opponents to gameplan for him but I just don't like it. We do it a lot and sometimes it backfires on the players

since off season it's been like he'll be ready any week now

i wish he pulled of a " he'll be ready when he's ready" or "he just came back from surgery and he needs time"

 

Check this out Fans come to watch what their tickets are paying for, quality football play. I believe when Premier players are hurt for ridiculous amount of time and you are losing fans should get a discount. The player still gets paid his money but dosent play? No! With all these injuries the fans should be getting discount tickets and the discount should continue to lower as the quality of play diminishes, because now they are not watching the Bang for their bucks? The Fan is being cheated and they should feel that way. If I go to a concert and I pay to see Beoynce and I get Betty White, how should I feel? Should I pay what the price originally called for? No! We pay for quality not mimics of that. We want a real effort for our money!

[araveninwaconc]

For example: rmcjacket23
The NFL‘s best fans are being thanked for their team loyalty with fees that grant the payer nothing more than the privilege of … being allowed to pay for seats to the game. Minnesota Vikings fans, facing fees of up to $10,000 per seat, are the latest example. And you say the Fans are ignorant when it comes to injury? Hell they pay for the right!

http://business.time.com/2013/10/06/freaking-ridiculous-nfl-stadium-seat-fees-cost-thousands-but-fans-pay-up/

[araveninwaconc]

  5 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

Somebody help me! I am about to turn into a patriot? Help me I am trying to hang on! Never thought this could happen to me thought it only happen to other people? Catch me Iam falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one is going to help you. 3-3 and this is what you have to say. We have issues no doubt, but let's see how it plays out. I'd hate to see what you would say if you were a Browns fan.

whoooo wait a minute they said no cursing on here? And yes I know it is 3-3 but dude look at what is happening? When you are a true Raven fan which I am you can feel certain things when you watch the games. Ravens now find a way to lose. Look at the level of competition they have faced and they are 50/50 you mean to tell me that you believe things will change? Bro I for one hope they do but I would not hold my breath. I love them but they suck and I see no magic coming soon. Flacco is poor by all means I listened to it and still believed he was quality but at this point he has just proven how he is not worth the money we fans paid? He has regressed and I am tired of hearing about his knee Get over it and play ....if you can. I take a lot of heat where I live just for being a Raven fan. Nevertheless, we tended to be winners! I dont like feeling like a joke and then you say nobody is going to save me? what kind of help are you? Convince me how you see our team working it self out? Ok I get it " Any given Sunday"? Right?

More importantly trading up was just a joke of frustration?

[mrc724]

  2 hours ago, Crusader said:

What the heck is band wagon? Someone smart enough not to watch a train wreak? I just wish Ravens were 1/2 the organization the Patriot are. Never heard them complaining about injuries last year to the O-line.

what is a wreak?

I agree, the Patriots make do with what they have and still win. We have to look at the Ravens organization as a whole. Some position coaches need to be fired and many players, we are too soft, making bad selections in the early rounds of the draft. The scouts too, they are supposed to evaluate the players we draft.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

Harbs said its a matter of how much pain he can tolerate a while back

giving ignorant fans an excuse "to call him soft" or "he's washed up" when he clearly wasn't ready 

maybe its s way of throwing off opponents to gameplan for him but I just don't like it. We do it a lot and sometimes it backfires on the players

since off season it's been like he'll be ready any week now

i wish he pulled of a " he'll be ready when he's ready" or "he just came back from surgery and he needs time"

 

1. I believe that was several weeks before Dumervil returned. He came back, played a few games, and then realized he wasn't ready.

2. Nothing backfires on players. They have all the information you don't have. They have a much better idea of when they are coming back, and what fans think about how long they've been out doesn't matter to them.

There's literally an article on the main page right now that specifically says "no timetable for him to return". It can't be any clearer for fans at this point than that.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

Check this out Fans come to watch what their tickets are paying for, quality football play. I believe when Premier players are hurt for ridiculous amount of time and you are losing fans should get a discount. The player still gets paid his money but dosent play? No! With all these injuries the fans should be getting discount tickets and the discount should continue to lower as the quality of play diminishes, because now they are not watching the Bang for their bucks? The Fan is being cheated and they should feel that way. If I go to a concert and I pay to see Beoynce and I get Betty White, how should I feel? Should I pay what the price originally called for? No! We pay for quality not mimics of that. We want a real effort for our money!

No.

1. There's millions of people watching this team play on a weekly basis, and the stadium holds less than 100,000 people. The amount of people buying tickets for the game is a mere fraction of the viewership... so what about all the other people who paid nothing but a cable or satellite subscription to watch?

2. You pay for entertainment and to watch a team play. That's it. You aren't guaranteed quality play, and you aren't guaranteed to see whoever you want to play, whenever you want to play. This is the real world, not fantasy land. Life doesn't even remotely work that way. They even say it at the game... "you are entitled to the team and players best effort". You're getting that on a weekly basis, regardless of whether you think you are or not. That's just a perception issue on your part.

3. The Beyoncé reference doesn't work, because you're paying specifically to see one person... Beyoncé. When you pay to watch an NFL team play, you aren't paying to watch one person play. You're playing to watch a team play.

In this instance, you would have a right to be upset about not getting what you paid for if they advertised that the Baltimore Ravens were playing, and right before the game, they decided to bring in Towson football to play instead. Then you would have a "right" to be upset.

Being upset because some of the players you wanted to see play aren't playing is just you being childish and spoiled, and you won't be getting a refund for it.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

For example: rmcjacket23
The NFL‘s best fans are being thanked for their team loyalty with fees that grant the payer nothing more than the privilege of … being allowed to pay for seats to the game. Minnesota Vikings fans, facing fees of up to $10,000 per seat, are the latest example. And you say the Fans are ignorant when it comes to injury? Hell they pay for the right!

http://business.time.com/2013/10/06/freaking-ridiculous-nfl-stadium-seat-fees-cost-thousands-but-fans-pay-up/

1. This notion that you can pay money to gain "rights" shows a complete lack of understanding for what a "right" is, and frankly, its borderline un-American. I'd strongly suggest you go back and understand what it takes to get "rights" in this country, because you sound very uneducated on the topic.

2. The Ravens have had PSL's for ages. Its nothing new.

I could argue both sides of PSL's all day long. I could certainly argue the benefits, such as the fact that teams that don't have PSL's can often have very, very long wait lists to obtain season tickets (I've seen 10 years or more for some teams), meaning by the time you're awarded the opportunity to buy season tickets, you probably don't even want them anymore. PSL's basically weeds out the pretenders, and gives people who actually have the financial ability to purchase season tickets to do so.

Not to mention the fact that PSL purchasers can also sell their PSL's back when they no longer want the tickets. Depending on where you sell them and who you sell them to, people can actually generate a profit by doing so. The Ravens have their own marketplace online that allows people to buy and sell PSL's.

I don't know where any fan got this notion that paying a few hundred bucks a year for a ticket or even a few thousand bucks a year for season tickets somehow guarantees them to see all their favorite players every week and get information from the team that provides no strategic benefit to the team to provide to you. I get the notion that's a lot of money to some people, but in the grand scheme of things, its chump change.

Frankly, if you're the kind of person who thinks spending a couple hundred bucks a year on tickets is a lot of money, you've got much, much, much bigger problems than worrying about injury updates from the team. You're time would probably be better off doing something that would generate more income.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, araveninwaconc said:

We have no energy no fire not impact! We need someone who can get the fire lit. Weddle was suppose to be that one ? He says they can get better? well if you look at Becks last touch down you will see Tavon covering well until Weddle throws a pick on him? The great ones follow his man and the ball if he would have done so perhaps a pick would have been in the making? Watch the tape. Instead
Tavon falls down Beck catches the pass and the rest is history? That was not a vetern move. Perhaps our Savior rest in a mediocre player, someone the right words the right attitude? Are our players not passionate about the gane? I have to question that for most it is just a Job and all about money. Having money is great but having conviction? Ray had conviction SSS has conviction! I love the game with PASSION and wish I could play at my old age(55)? But more importantly at this point what I see is a scrub butt team with no respect for themselves or the fans! Guys we come to see you PLAY LIKE RAVENS!!! This is not the Raven way. I will always be a Raven but like most Fans I am feeling cheated because of the talent and skilled players we do have. Most say they came with a chip on their shoulders? Well at this point if something does not change soon it would appear to me that they mostly lied and just wanted to draw a check like most of us do on our eveIryday low paying jobs?

Maybe its just me, but if I actually felt cheated by something (actually feel, not just something you say for click-bait), I'd stopped contributing money there immediately.

So if you're feeling cheated by the Ravens, simply stop watching. It sounds like we would all be better off with that anyway.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, The Negotiator said:

I'm saying in past drafts we should have traded up.

I mean that's great, but what good does hindsight analysis do for the 2016 Ravens? Looking back, every single team in the league should have traded up for somebody in every single draft, because there's always somebody better than what you drafted that was drafted ahead of you in multiple rounds in the draft.

[BoominRaven]

Poor draft classes and an inability to retain the players that do pan out stack up and eventually this is what you get.. a team devoid of playmakers. From 2008-2012 there are only 4 players out of 39 picks still on the team from 5 draft classes. 0 of those players are from 2012 only 4 years ago. Of the classes that should still be on their initial rookie deal Only 4 of 10 rookies from 2013 are still on the team, 2014 we hit on 2 picks and got two decent backups, and 2015, only a year removed, we have a grand total of 2 players that see the field Perriman (barely) and zadarius smith. Even this year it's looking like our 2nd and 3rd rounders are headed for bustville though I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

Y'all can trust ozzie all you want and guzzle that kool-aid but the fact of the matter is our draft history since 2008 doesn't lie. It's sub-par for just about any team let alone one that always took pride in strong drafting, heck we pretty much have two GMs we should be able to do better than what we have

Also With all these offensive line issues it sure would be nice i we had ponied up the guaranteed money for Jake Long, not good enough for us but good enough to step in for the 5-0 vikings!

[stampedehero]

I'm not accepting the O line injuries as an excuse for the 3 losses. Many of the scoring plays failed.

[Zeus]

Poor draft classes and an inability to retain the players that do pan out stack up and eventually this is what you get.. a team devoid of playmakers. From 2008-2012 there are only 4 players out of 39 picks still on the team from 5 draft classes. 0 of those players are from 2012 only 4 years ago. Of the classes that should still be on their initial rookie deal Only 4 of 10 rookies from 2013 are still on the team, 2014 we hit on 2 picks and got two decent backups, and 2015, only a year removed, we have a grand total of 2 players that see the field Perriman (barely) and zadarius smith. Even this year it's looking like our 2nd and 3rd rounders are headed for bustville though I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now.

Y'all can trust ozzie all you want and guzzle that kool-aid but the fact of the matter is our draft history since 2008 doesn't lie. It's sub-par for just about any team let alone one that always took pride in strong drafting, heck we pretty much have two GMs we should be able to do better than what we have

Also With all these offensive line issues it sure would be nice i we had ponied up the guaranteed money for Jake Long, not good enough for us but good enough to step in for the 5-0 vikings!

Great post!

[20306cab]

Can't wait for all the articles during the 2017 camp, that say, "Greatest targets Flacco has ever had to pass to." It will be there, guaranteed. Go back the last four years. It's ALWAYS there. And, of course, after another blown game by FBAJ, article will read, "Flacco's poor play due to Offensive Line." That is also ALWAYS there.

[Rav'n Maniac]

Happy to see some of our starters back practicing this week. Hopefully they will be able to play and help to strengthen some of our weaker positions.

Seems like it took 87 comments for me to navigate through the complaint department.

[Derrel]

Not performing - Perriman and Aiken