Any trades brewing?

[ellicottraven]

What happened to our team? I was so bullish about this team on paper, I honestly believed we would make a run at the Lombardi this year.... till they started playing!

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

4 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

What happened to our team? I was so bullish about this team on paper, I honestly believed we would make a run at the Lombardi this year.... till they started playing!

It's so confusing. I don't even know how it happened.

[JoeyFlex5]

13 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

What happened to our team? I was so bullish about this team on paper, I honestly believed we would make a run at the Lombardi this year.... till they started playing!

injuries man. OL has been ravaged, our best defender is out, our qb has no time to throw which means he cant gel with his new wrs as his top wr is injured. then trestman really held us back on offense, marty has done slightly better and at least has shown that he can use personnel somewhat properly, then some overly aggressive coaching decisions blew some games for us. 

at this point, were just beaten and battered, confidence is shaken, we have nothing going for us. the bye couldnt come at a better time, hopefully losing to the jets and getting some injured guys back will light a fire under us. this team has potential, if we can get our guys on the field together and now having an OC who isnt trestman then we have a chance to get the offense on track. we certainly arent ready to make a run, but getting stanley, lewis, zuttah, yanda, and wagner as our starting line should help get the run game going and if terrence west gets hot it opens things up, maybe flacco has time to throw and gets a chance to gel with his guys and marty uses our wr's to their strengths and keeps defenses playing on their heels with deep shots. 

our biggest problem at the moment is undoubtedly the line, but if they are healthy and zuttah continues to improve from where he waas in weeks 1-3 then we have a chance to get moving on offense. if that works out, then pass rush becomes our top concern as we are totally anemic, i had a feeling ZDS would disappoint, and he certainly has, we need to live with that and get judon going because hes been single handedly carrying our pass rush. 

basically, a healthy OL, proper play calling and less boneheaded coaching decisions, and getting SOMETHING from our pass rush can go a long way for us. i think were a legit 9-7 team when healthy, but we arent. if these injuries keep up then we can find ourselves at 5-11 very easily with the 2nd half of this schedule, but if we get a healthy streak we absolutely can make a run and go 8-8 or 9-7. frankly id rather see us be competitive and fall short week after week like we did last year, get us a nice high draft pick and get a guy who can take over the pass rush(ahem jonathan allen).

[Sunday QB]

I agree that a healthy O-Line will improve the offence. please light fire under Dean Pees, he needs to play more press coverage and blitz more, his play calling is to passive during opponents drive. He'll  wait until the red zone to push their offence and then it's to late. Let's try stopping them back on their own 35 when it's 3rd and 6, just a thought.

 

Edited October 30, 2016 by Sunday QB
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[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, Sunday QB said:

I agree that a healthy O-Line will improve the offence. please light fire under Dean Pees, he needs to play more press coverage and blitz more, his play calling is to passive during opponents drive. He'll  wait until the red zone to push their offence and then it's to late. Let's try stopping them back on their own 35 when it's 3rd and 6, just a thought.

 

the level of coverage is usually decided by the cb and their comfort zone. shareece wright cant press to save his life, problem is he struggles in off coverage too. only thing ill agree with is that he will take a game plan that has totally stifled an opponent for the whole game and then reverse it totally, he'll go 5 man rushes and stunt blitzes and succeed and then call 4 man rushes and zone drops at the end and hope that he can change the drive with 1 surprise play call. ive always said pees does good for 3 and a half quarters and then tends to get away from what works when protecting a lead.

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

injuries man. OL has been ravaged, our best defender is out, our qb has no time to throw which means he cant gel with his new wrs as his top wr is injured. then trestman really held us back on offense, marty has done slightly better and at least has shown that he can use personnel somewhat properly, then some overly aggressive coaching decisions blew some games for us. 

at this point, were just beaten and battered, confidence is shaken, we have nothing going for us. the bye couldnt come at a better time, hopefully losing to the jets and getting some injured guys back will light a fire under us. this team has potential, if we can get our guys on the field together and now having an OC who isnt trestman then we have a chance to get the offense on track. we certainly arent ready to make a run, but getting stanley, lewis, zuttah, yanda, and wagner as our starting line should help get the run game going and if terrence west gets hot it opens things up, maybe flacco has time to throw and gets a chance to gel with his guys and marty uses our wr's to their strengths and keeps defenses playing on their heels with deep shots. 

our biggest problem at the moment is undoubtedly the line, but if they are healthy and zuttah continues to improve from where he waas in weeks 1-3 then we have a chance to get moving on offense. if that works out, then pass rush becomes our top concern as we are totally anemic, i had a feeling ZDS would disappoint, and he certainly has, we need to live with that and get judon going because hes been single handedly carrying our pass rush. 

basically, a healthy OL, proper play calling and less boneheaded coaching decisions, and getting SOMETHING from our pass rush can go a long way for us. i think were a legit 9-7 team when healthy, but we arent. if these injuries keep up then we can find ourselves at 5-11 very easily with the 2nd half of this schedule, but if we get a healthy streak we absolutely can make a run and go 8-8 or 9-7. frankly id rather see us be competitive and fall short week after week like we did last year, get us a nice high draft pick and get a guy who can take over the pass rush(ahem jonathan allen).

Post bye, every player is supposed to come back healthy. Hopefully they do and make a stand, a furious one that gets us to a winning season. At this point I want them to be better than they were last year. If we can eke out a 9-7 record, I'll be excited because we may get the second wild card spot just because the AFC is in a shambles this year, no make that the AFC North.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

Post bye, every player is supposed to come back healthy. Hopefully they do and make a stand, a furious one that gets us to a winning season. At this point I want them to be better than they were last year. If we can eke out a 9-7 record, I'll be excited because we may get the second wild card spot just because the AFC is in a shambles this year, no make that the AFC North.

oh if we get in the playoffs ill be jacked for it, im not rooting for us to lose, i just would rather see us fall to a competitive 6-10 or whatever rather than 8-8, ill never root for us to lose, but if i know the season isnt going anywhere ill be more excited for the draft with every loss. if we come out of the bye on fire and rattle off 6-7 wins ill be ecstatic and ill be convinced we have a real shot. i mean it happens all the time, teams cant find their identity early on but then they find and finish strong, sneak  into the playoffs red hot after a miserable start. 

we KNOW for a fact that injuries are really holding this team back, we also know that we have a solid team when theyre healthy, pass rush lacks, the short passing game is unreliable at best, we have half a secondary that gets toasted and a half a secondary that shuts everything down, but we also have VERY important things, elite run defense, and a run offense that has potential to take over games. if we get our line back healthy and zuttah continues to be solid, our run game could carry us and our passing game could slowly begin to take shape. 

the problem with all this is... i just dont expect it. its so freaking hard for us to stay healthy, and we dont have the impact players to make up for the deficiencies. some teams have an elite pass rush that takes over games regardless of who gets injured, or an elite wr who carries the entire offense, we dont have any of those things. we have to win as a team, nobody is carrying this squad.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I see us more as sellers the way we have been playing recently. If we were one or 2 players away sure but there are more problems than that. 

[darklight1216]

44 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah I see us more as sellers the way we have been playing recently. If we were one or 2 players away sure but there are more problems than that. 

The Ravens definitely don't have the cap space to be buyers , but they don't  have the talent to sell either.

 

[PurpleCity5]

15 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

The Ravens definitely don't have the cap space to be buyers , but they don't  have the talent to sell either.

 

We could have a good enough amount cap space if we make some cuts here and there. Also, since when did talent sell in FA? Many players out there know what a franchise the Ravens are, I don't think we'll have trouble bringing anyone here unless it comes down to money/ 

[52520Andrew]

14 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

The Ravens definitely don't have the cap space to be buyers , but they don't  have the talent to sell either.

 

Yeah I don't think we would sell either way as we usually fight to the end. If we weren't confident about keeping Williams around for next year we could move him to a contender but hard to speculate on that without knowing what the outlook is on keeping him next year. Plus more draft picks won't do any good if we keep missing on them or they end up being injured all the time.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah I see us more as sellers the way we have been playing recently. If we were one or 2 players away sure but there are more problems than that. 

The Ravens won't be sellers. They're one game off the division lead and tied for it if they beat Pitt with two division games as wins in their pockets. The Ravens firmly believe they're in it, I'm sure.

[BmoreBird22]

Two names on the market are SHELDON RICHARDSON and JOE HADEN.

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Two names on the market are SHELDON RICHARDSON and JOE HADEN.

Haden would be so great here but that cap hit is way too much, not to mention the fact that we would have to give up a high pick, I would have to turn that down. 

I don't know where to bring this up, but I really wish we signed Marvin Jones, he would have been such a great boost for this team and he was a guy that I wanted here. Shame we didn't get him because $7M a year would have totally been worth it. 

I think we need to gamble some on signing because we have missed out on loads of talent. 

[52520Andrew]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The Ravens won't be sellers. They're one game off the division lead and tied for it if they beat Pitt with two division games as wins in their pockets. The Ravens firmly believe they're in it, I'm sure.

Yeah I don't think they are the team to sell but I also don't think we are doing anything crazy either like bringing in Haden or Richardson. We aren't one or 2 players away from being contenders and we don't have cap right now. 

[darklight1216]

Just now, PurpleCity5 said:

We could have a good enough amount cap space if we make some cuts here and there. Also, since when did talent sell in FA? Many players out there know what a franchise the Ravens are, I don't think we'll have trouble bringing anyone here unless it comes down to money/

What I meant was that I don't think Baltimore has many players that other teams would want to trade for. No one is going to be knocking down Ozzie's door for Brent Urban or Carl Davis.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 10/21/2016 at 2:52 AM, PurpleHorseman said:

Don't think it would happen. But if we acquired Kiko Alonso from Miami it would give us a game changer. I know he has his injuries but hopefully it's all behind him now. I think he is one of the most underrated defensive players in the NFL. If you watch him play you don't see much difference in him and Kuechly. I actually think Alonso plays more physical and hits harder.  When Alonso hits somebody he stops. Players very rarely get any yac when Alonso touches him. He has very natural instincts and athleticism.

His injuries are the culprit behind him being underrated. Because he is criminally underrated. It is very surprising he is not mentioned with the best LB's in the NFL. If he were not injured he would neck and neck with Kuechly. If we ever switched to the 4-3 he, Mosley and Orr would be an intimidating group with instincts and athleticism to cover better than any in the NFL as a group. Which in turn would massively help the secondary. Just an idea because he could be acquired for a minimal draft pick because of how underrated he is.

I don't know what Kiko you've watched play unless you only watched his rookie year. 

He is not physical at all. I've seen him shy away from contact if anything. Granted I haven't seen him play much this year, but I live in the Philly market and saw him all of last year. He was routinely one of, if not THE, worst players on the field. 

He benefitted from being surrounded by studs everywhere in the Bills D. Since then he's been exposed. The Eagles got fleeced in their deal (there's a reason Rex was willing to let him go) and he was just an add on in the Maxwell deal with Miami. Eagles just wanted to get rid of him. 

Hes not the answer to anything here. Orr and Mosley are way better, and comparing him to Kuechly is a joke.

I had to check to see if you posted this on April 1st. He's as soft as they come (which is why he's injured so often) and his athleticism is wasted bc he doesn't know what he's doing. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

Ozzie won't trade a draft pick unless there is good value in doing so and high profile players seldom fit that formula. Just look back at all the FA's we have brought in here over the years. All have been selected with value in mind.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Two names on the market are SHELDON RICHARDSON and JOE HADEN.

Oh man Richardson would be a game changer here. He is exactly the kind of player we need assuming his head is right

[hen826957]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Two names on the market are SHELDON RICHARDSON and JOE HADEN.

Man l would love to have these two on our team or least one (maybe Haden). Get rid of Webb and that can replace his cap with Haden. Seattle has sign Earl Thomas, Kam Chanceller, Russell Wilson, Michael Bennett, Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, etc to big load contracts and they still manage to keep them in their cap. Why can't we? The Ravens cap is a mess. They don't manage it well if the Seahwaks can keep there good players. 

[BmoreBird22]

I was just throwing out those two since those are the two hottest names I've seen.

With Richardson, you'd be on the hook for 800k AND have control for two more years (fifth year option). 

He's currently playing OLB for the Jets, so he can rush standing or with a hand in the dirt. 

He's widely considered one of the elite 3-4 DEs and was a favorite of mine in the 2013 draft. 

He'd probably command a first round pick given the youth and the control for 2.5 seasons , but with the off the field, maybe that could be a second and a late round pick. I'd do it.

[JoeyFlex5]

58 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I was just throwing out those two since those are the two hottest names I've seen.

With Richardson, you'd be on the hook for 800k AND have control for two more years (fifth year option). 

He's currently playing OLB for the Jets, so he can rush standing or with a hand in the dirt. 

He's widely considered one of the elite 3-4 DEs and was a favorite of mine in the 2013 draft. 

He'd probably command a first round pick given the youth and the control for 2.5 seasons , but with the off the field, maybe that could be a second and a late round pick. I'd do it.

if they part ways for a 2nd and a 5th then absolutely do that. we would be foolish not to. that guy would bring a lot of what we are missing on defense.

[BmoreBird22]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

if they part ways for a 2nd and a 5th then absolutely do that. we would be foolish not to. that guy would bring a lot of what we are missing on defense.

I think he'll fetch a first, but even then, you'd have to think long and hard.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think he'll fetch a first, but even then, you'd have to think long and hard.

not for us, we are most likely picking high, probably top 10, i mean we could get it together and catch fire with a healthy roster but as of now i wouldnt give a first.

[Cillmatic]

9 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Two names on the market are SHELDON RICHARDSON and JOE HADEN.

With his off the field issues I wildly give more than a 2nd round pick for him. His arrest paints him as a reckless idiot, he's on probation till 2018.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Willbacker]

If we can get two 20s for a 10 then by all means do it.

[Sunday QB]

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I am watching the Eagles/Cowboys game and maybe we can trade for Eagles defensive Coordinator. he is blitzing and playing press coverage up and down the field. I can't understand why Dean Pees won't play call like this.

That would let us  "Play Like A Raven".

[Cillmatic]

2 minutes ago, Sunday QB said:

I am watching the Eagles/Cowboys game and maybe we can trade for Eagles defensive Coordinator. he is blitzing and playing press coverage up and down the field. I can't understand why Dean Pees won't play call like this.

That would let us  "Play Like A Raven".

Only person on this team who can press is Jimmy, everyone else is undersized and a technique mismatch. 

[kjbmore]

On 30/10/2016 at 9:45 AM, ellicottraven said:

What happened to our team? I was so bullish about this team on paper, I honestly believed we would make a run at the Lombardi this year.... till they started playing!

too many balls in the air - guys coming back from injury, new guys, rookies, young players, people playing out of position - boom all came together but in the opposite way the front office had planned and here we are

 

[Sunday QB]

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Jimmy Smith is not the only one who can play press coverage. it only take a second or two on third down. I mean just get in front of them and with in five yard press them.