Any trades brewing?

[Maryland]

11 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Ironic to see Torrey trade rumors to the Eagles

I was listening to my Eagles friend saying "finally, someone who can catch the ball" in response to the Torrey rumors and just lol'd. 

The Alshon Jeffrey rumors seem to have more weight behind them though. 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Maryland said:

I was listening to my Eagles friend saying "finally, someone who can catch the ball" in response to the Torrey rumors and just lol'd. 

The Alshon Jeffrey rumors seem to have more weight behind them though. 

I actually laughed out loud when I read what you just said  haha.  

I haven't heard anything about Jeffrey.  I wouldn't want to touch that guy

[RavensDieHard21]

Let's not overthink this people, Ozzie is to cheap and shrewd to make any trades, unless it involved middle of the depth chart guys that no one would remotely be excited for

[Cillmatic]

4 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Let's not overthink this people, Ozzie is to cheap and shrewd to make any trades, unless it involved middle of the depth chart guys that no one would remotely be excited for

Yes, because Monroe wasn't EVER a starter. This forum loves to complain about ANYTHING.

Edited October 27, 2016 by Cillmatic

[flynismo]

5 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Let's not overthink this people, Ozzie is to cheap and shrewd to make any trades, unless it involved middle of the depth chart guys that no one would remotely be excited for

You probably weren't around when BloodRaven was here, but this reminds me of his favorite quote...

"Someone call the waaahmbulance for this guy!"

[Halshayeji]

On October 24, 2016 at 0:04 AM, Somerset Ravens said:

Unless we improve the offensive and defensive lines playmakers would be wasted here.

I'm actually impressed with our Dline. Oline on the other hand, injuries have crippled us. Come on Ozzie pull out another rabbit out of that hat.

[rmcjacket23]

7 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Let's not overthink this people, Ozzie is to cheap and shrewd to make any trades, unless it involved middle of the depth chart guys that no one would remotely be excited for

And that falls in line with what all of the other successful teams in the league have done for the most part.

So good compliment.

[RavensDieHard21]

Boy you all got so defensive huh? I am not complaining, simply stating the truth about a comical situation. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Yes, because Monroe wasn't EVER a starter. This forum loves to complain about ANYTHING.

Lmao wouldn't know, he barely seen the field and when he did it was only for a few games at a time. Also, Zuttah looked solid the first year, now looks horrendous. Once again, I am not complaining, just shedding light on the reality of the situation. Ozzie is like the Grandpa that still balances his check book and uses a telephone with a cord attached to it. He is stuck in his way of doing thing and they were successful for a while, now, not so much.

[Rav'n Maniac]

32 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao wouldn't know, he barely seen the field and when he did it was only for a few games at a time. Also, Zuttah looked solid the first year, now looks horrendous. Once again, I am not complaining, just shedding light on the reality of the situation. Ozzie is like the Grandpa that still balances his check book and uses a telephone with a cord attached to it. He is stuck in his way of doing thing and they were successful for a while, now, not so much.

Your comparison of Ozzie made me laugh. That's how my son feels about me at times.

[ravens rule]

What would it take to get Alshon? A 3rd round pick ? We're gonna get a compensatory pick for Ko anyways. I find it hard to believe the ravens are gonna fill the void of steve smith after the season. 

[jazz1988]

7 minutes ago, ravens rule said:

What would it take to get Alshon? A 3rd round pick ? We're gonna get a compensatory pick for Ko anyways. I find it hard to believe the ravens are gonna fill the void of steve smith after the season. 

The Ravens don't have the cap space to get Alshon .

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao wouldn't know, he barely seen the field and when he did it was only for a few games at a time. Also, Zuttah looked solid the first year, now looks horrendous. Once again, I am not complaining, just shedding light on the reality of the situation. Ozzie is like the Grandpa that still balances his check book and uses a telephone with a cord attached to it. He is stuck in his way of doing thing and they were successful for a while, now, not so much.

It's still sort of proves what you were saying wrong because Monroe was a  solid starting left tackle for The Jaguars and was considered one of the better left tackle in the league which Ozzie went and got for his quarterback. It didn't work out in the end due to Monroe having trouble staying heathy but it still proves Ozzie is willing to make big moves. He doesn't do it often and honestly most of the better teams in the league doesn't either but he will do it. Zuttah had two solid season for The Ravens and his  second seasons was better than his first season. He was rated as the 8th best center in the league before he went on i.r according to pro football focus .

 

[VermontRaven]

27 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao wouldn't know, he barely seen the field and when he did it was only for a few games at a time. Also, Zuttah looked solid the first year, now looks horrendous. Once again, I am not complaining, just shedding light on the reality of the situation. Ozzie is like the Grandpa that still balances his check book and uses a telephone with a cord attached to it. He is stuck in his way of doing thing and they were successful for a while, now, not so much.

It's still sort of proves what you were saying wrong because Monroe was a  solid starting left tackle for The Jaguars and was considered one of the better left tackle in the league which Ozzie went and got for his quarterback. It didn't work out in the end due to Monroe having trouble staying heathy but it still proves Ozzie is willing to make big moves. He doesn't do it often and honestly most of the better teams in the league doesn't either but he will do it. Zuttah had two solid season for The Ravens and his  second seasons was better than his first season. He was rated as the 8th best center in the league before he went on i.r according to pro football focus .

I disagree with the bolded statement because he has broken his traditional ways if he thinks it is necessary.  It was very un-Ozzie like to go out and sign unrestricted free agents Weddle, Wallace, and Watson, meaning a reduction in comp picks.  Obviously, some of his moves haven't worked out the way he and the Ravens hoped, but that doesn't mean he isn't willing to try new ways that are "unconventional" to him.

[rmcjacket23]

3 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Lmao wouldn't know, he barely seen the field and when he did it was only for a few games at a time. Also, Zuttah looked solid the first year, now looks horrendous. Once again, I am not complaining, just shedding light on the reality of the situation. Ozzie is like the Grandpa that still balances his check book and uses a telephone with a cord attached to it. He is stuck in his way of doing thing and they were successful for a while, now, not so much.

So can you give specific examples of what other teams are doing that is so "innovative" and successful that Ozzie doesn't do?

Gotta be honest... I don't really see many, if any, of those things. 

[rmcjacket23]

56 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

The Ravens don't have the cap space to get Alshon .

Well, not now. By the time we cut players in the offseason, who knows. Realistically, depending on how things go the rest of the season, there's plenty of scenarios where we have $20-30M in cap space available.

[VermontRaven]

21 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well, not now. By the time we cut players in the offseason, who knows. Realistically, depending on how things go the rest of the season, there's plenty of scenarios where we have $20-30M in cap space available.

Agreed.  And I think WR is an area where Ozzie might be willing to spend some money if he feels it is the right fit.  We have struggled to find that "difference maker" receiver in the draft, where we are great at finding other positions, such as D-line.  I would be willing to part with some players such as Doom, Webb, and Williams if it meant we were able to bring in Alshon.  I would LOVE to see Alshon and Wallace as our starting WRs and a (hopefully) emerging threat in Perriman as the 3rd receiver. 

[RavensDieHard21]

21 hours ago, ravens rule said:

What would it take to get Alshon? A 3rd round pick ? We're gonna get a compensatory pick for Ko anyways. I find it hard to believe the ravens are gonna fill the void of steve smith after the season. 

With the way our second rounders have turned out post KO, I would give a second rounder for Jeffrey because we would have ample talent at the position.

[RavensDieHard21]

On 10/27/2016 at 11:07 AM, Rav'n Maniac said:

Your comparison of Ozzie made me laugh. That's how my son feels about me at times.

Haha it's not a bad thing!

[RavensDieHard21]

21 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

It's still sort of proves what you were saying wrong because Monroe was a  solid starting left tackle for The Jaguars and was considered one of the better left tackle in the league which Ozzie went and got for his quarterback. It didn't work out in the end due to Monroe having trouble staying heathy but it still proves Ozzie is willing to make big moves. He doesn't do it often and honestly most of the better teams in the league doesn't either but he will do it. Zuttah had two solid season for The Ravens and his  second seasons was better than his first season. He was rated as the 8th best center in the league before he went on i.r according to pro football focus .

 

I suppose I am being a little cynical. As at the time, yes, those guys were solid top 10 guys at their positions, but were really only going to be quick fixes I feel. I am not as critical when it comes to mid-season trades as I am of his frugal nature with draft picks and not paying good players solid money that any other team would give them.

[RavensDieHard21]

21 hours ago, VermontRaven said:

I disagree with the bolded statement because he has broken his traditional ways if he thinks it is necessary.  It was very un-Ozzie like to go out and sign unrestricted free agents Weddle, Wallace, and Watson, meaning a reduction in comp picks.  Obviously, some of his moves haven't worked out the way he and the Ravens hoped, but that doesn't mean he isn't willing to try new ways that are "unconventional" to him.

To that extent I do agree, but it has been a long time coming after a terrible run at draft picks since 08. Yes, we have landed some great pieces along the way that have helped sustain some success, mostly speaking of Smith, McPhee, Mosley, Jernigan, KO, Torrey, Williams. But how many pro bowlers has he drafted, or all-pros? I believe only one. So yes I believe the alarm is ringing so he decided to tinker with his approach.The Weddle signing as well as the Wallace signing was great too. But neither one these players will be here long-term. They were made in efforts to rebound quickly from the 15' season, but I think it is safe to say that we are in re-build mode.

[RavensDieHard21]

21 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So can you give specific examples of what other teams are doing that is so "innovative" and successful that Ozzie doesn't do?

Gotta be honest... I don't really see many, if any, of those things. 

Yes, look at Elway and how he was able to build that team. Built up the offense and went to defense right after. Look at it this way, the Broncos lose in the Super Bowl and their defense gets exposed. Elway realized the situation and didn't wander around in the dark wondering what would help. He went out and drafted more defensive talent, such as Ray even though he had flags, he went into free agency and wasn't afraid of spending, yet the contracts were actually very fair with Ware and Talib. He is winning big time right now. He fixes problems on the go as well, particularly with their offensive line. 

Another example was the Chandler Jones trade. The Cardinals landed a top 5-7 pass rusher for a second rounder and an unproven offensive lineman. We don't even make those time of moves, don't state Monroe or Zuttah because neither of those positions are as valuable and neither of those two are the same caliber of a player.

[AsianRice]

4 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Yes, look at Elway and how he was able to build that team. Built up the offense and went to defense right after. Look at it this way, the Broncos lose in the Super Bowl and their defense gets exposed. Elway realized the situation and didn't wander around in the dark wondering what would help. He went out and drafted more defensive talent, such as Ray even though he had flags, he went into free agency and wasn't afraid of spending, yet the contracts were actually very fair with Ware and Talib. He is winning big time right now. He fixes problems on the go as well, particularly with their offensive line. 

Another example was the Chandler Jones trade. The Cardinals landed a top 5-7 pass rusher for a second rounder and an unproven offensive lineman. We don't even make those time of moves, don't state Monroe or Zuttah because neither of those positions are as valuable and neither of those two are the same caliber of a player.

Salary cap and dead money were killing us and Monroe and Zuttah supposed to be a good signing but didn't expect they play badly.

 

We got Wallace and Weddle who have contributed greatly to our offense and defense, respectably.  

 

I wish our key players aren't injured so we know how good those rookie starters would be.....

 

What we lack right now is pass rushers on the edge and solid CB opposite Jimmy.  We have Young on the slot in which he excels.

 

We need a good young center asap which seem to be forgotten as one of the important positions on the offense.

 

We need to let Webb go cuz his salary cap is too high for an average safety.

 

Elway was inherited a good young team with bunch of high picks.  We'll see what he would do when those who are on rookie contract hit the market.  Time will tell, especially your first pick going to be at 22+.  Additionally, his team haven't hit injury bug yet and encountered some dead money from players not even on the team. 

[JoeyFlex5]

why would we want to trade for jefrrey considering we are consistently one of the most injured teams in the league? yeah, lets kick out resources plus a huge chunk of cap to a player on the trainers table and continue doing the same stuff that has us circling the drain right now.

[JoeyFlex5]

15 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Yes, look at Elway and how he was able to build that team. Built up the offense and went to defense right after. Look at it this way, the Broncos lose in the Super Bowl and their defense gets exposed. Elway realized the situation and didn't wander around in the dark wondering what would help. He went out and drafted more defensive talent, such as Ray even though he had flags, he went into free agency and wasn't afraid of spending, yet the contracts were actually very fair with Ware and Talib. He is winning big time right now. He fixes problems on the go as well, particularly with their offensive line. 

Another example was the Chandler Jones trade. The Cardinals landed a top 5-7 pass rusher for a second rounder and an unproven offensive lineman. We don't even make those time of moves, don't state Monroe or Zuttah because neither of those positions are as valuable and neither of those two are the same caliber of a player.

luck plays a big part in it as well, we have had absolutely horrible luck with our "solution" players.

we needed a LT badly, we trade a 4 and 5 for monroe who was a top 5 LT and an iron man at the time of the signing, he plays a good half a season, gets signed, then spends the whole contract on the trainers table and then retires. we needed a C badly, we signed zuttah who turned out quite solid for us and gets injured repeatedly after the initial season. we found a RT with a 5th round pick who was the best in the league his first year as a starter and he ends up with a lisfranc. we needed a pass rusher so we signed dumervil who had a 20 sack season but has battled injuries since. we needed at the very least a speed threat so we draft perriman who never had a injury but misses his rookie year due to a knee injury. there hasnt been a ton of opportunity to address the secondary, we couldve had byron jones but hey misses happen. 

long story short, we have made moves to fix our problems, we have had horrible luck with injuries though and a lot of these injuries are to players we sign to fill holes that have never had an injury then suddenly they cant stay on the field.

[usmccharles]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

luck plays a big part in it as well, we have had absolutely horrible luck with our "solution" players.

we needed a LT badly, we trade a 4 and 5 for monroe who was a top 5 LT and an iron man at the time of the signing, he plays a good half a season, gets signed, then spends the whole contract on the trainers table and then retires. we needed a C badly, we signed zuttah who turned out quite solid for us and gets injured repeatedly after the initial season. we found a RT with a 5th round pick who was the best in the league his first year as a starter and he ends up with a lisfranc. we needed a pass rusher so we signed dumervil who had a 20 sack season but has battled injuries since. we needed at the very least a speed threat so we draft perriman who never had a injury but misses his rookie year due to a knee injury. there hasnt been a ton of opportunity to address the secondary, we couldve had byron jones but hey misses happen. 

long story short, we have made moves to fix our problems, we have had horrible luck with injuries though and a lot of these injuries are to players we sign to fill holes that have never had an injury then suddenly they cant stay on the field.

This.  Some people don't realize the luck that plays into drafting.   I mean look at JO and Ray,  two hof guys and one,  taken at 26, who the packers wanted badly.   We have been spoiled in a sense of the elite talent we have had on the roster at the same time.   Reed,  Ray,  Suggs,  ngata,  rice... Injuries have no doubt been a huge part in the downfall,  not saying it's an excuse but it'd reality. My biggest issue is not going after guys more aggressively.  And the Cardinals getting Chandler Jones is a huge risk in a contract year.   Pats played that perfectly 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

This.  Some people don't realize the luck that plays into drafting.   I mean look at JO and Ray,  two hof guys and one,  taken at 26, who the packers wanted badly.   We have been spoiled in a sense of the elite talent we have had on the roster at the same time.   Reed,  Ray,  Suggs,  ngata,  rice... Injuries have no doubt been a huge part in the downfall,  not saying it's an excuse but it'd reality. My biggest issue is not going after guys more aggressively.  And the Cardinals getting Chandler Jones is a huge risk in a contract year.   Pats played that perfectly 

the pats look stupid every draft, they look like theyre just pulling names out of a hat, and then suddenly they dont look stupid. its infuriating lol. i wouldnt call it a risk though, arizona is super bowl or bust right now, they needed to make a move to get some pass rush going to give them a chance and then carson palmer gets hurt. they have a good foundation in place but theyre no dummies, they know that once carson palmer is gone they are either gonna be kicking out a fat check to a FA QB or they need to make a huge move in the draft for one or just have a few suck seasons and take one high. they probably pay chandler jones this offseason, take a cheeap veteran qb, and take a qb and edge rusher in the first 2 rounds. core is in place, now they sit back and hope they have a functional qb to make it all work. 

[Deflated Football]

17 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

why would we want to trade for jefrrey considering we are consistently one of the most injured teams in the league? yeah, lets kick out resources plus a huge chunk of cap to a player on the trainers table and continue doing the same stuff that has us circling the drain right now.

Because you take a chance on an elite product that's an excellent route runner. That would be welcoming to Flacco who's arm is ridiculously erratic, plus you want to surround him with as much talent as possible. You want to go into next season with BP, (maybe) Mike Wallace and Moore as your starters? It's not going to happen though. Ozzie is all about bargain bin signings. Alshon has stayed healthy this season as well. 

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Because you take a chance on an elite product that's an excellent route runner. That would be welcoming to Flacco who's arm is ridiculously erratic, plus you want to surround him with as much talent as possible. You want to go into next season with BP, (maybe) Mike Wallace and Moore as your starters? It's not going to happen though. Ozzie is all about bargain bin signings. Alshon has stayed healthy this season as well. 

cant be an elite product if you arent on the field. cant surround flacco with talent if you sign huge burdensome contracts to players who get hurt often, and yes jeffrey has been hurt often, a healthy half a season is the outlier so far in his career. you dont take chances when the contract is that big, this isnt some bargain signing on an aging player like with SSS, this is a player in his prime with a big contract who has a lengthy injury history. not to mention, flacco wont be delivering any passes to anyone from his back or while hes running for his life on a half-recovered ACL.

you make this move, and jeffrey goes back to being injured like hes been his whole career, you can practically kiss goodbye any chance of a quick rebuild and we end up in cap hell for another few years, and as a result we wont be rebuilding our OL, pass rush, secondary, or wr corps any time soon without getting some real home runs in the draft round after round year after year.

[ellicottraven]

On 10/21/2016 at 3:14 PM, Steve0x said:

Trade Flacco to the Jets for 1st and second round picks. He needs to go back to Jersey. and Ravens will pick this guy.

Seth Russell – Baylor I like this guy. He's the next Peyton Manning

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B181TjRH7ko

 

If the Ravens agree to trade Joe, they'd get a lot more than a 1st and 2nd! I would expect the 1st and 2nd for a couple or 3 yrs at a minimum. Give him a few games to get good and I bet you wouldn't trade him if your life were on the line! QB is the most difficult position to fill in the league. When you have a good enough one, you hold on for dear life like the Ravens are doing...

Edited October 30, 2016 by ellicottraven