Very Interesting read on "late for work."

[ravens rule]

We rely too much on #89 to be that playmaker. Tbh it's really sad that we can't develop any ourselves. Like can we draft an all around wideout for once or be aggressive to get the top ones in the draft. I like what I see from West and holding out hope for Dixon to be at least a Tevin Coleman type.

[Drew P]

Firstly they are a running team. Once they get that through their skulls the passing game will come. Slinging the ball around 48 and 53 times in close game's is just ridiculous.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, mmcclend said:

Ravens Searching For Playmaker Like Odell Beckham Jr.

I guess maybe I wasn't that far off on my analysis. Everybody outside this board sees we lack playmakers. 

Geez, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.  Oh, and since you posted in that thread, why start a new one?  Do we really need the discussion in two places?  Seems redundant to me.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

This isn't something new.  Some people may think we have one, but most people around here recognize that we don't have a true game changer anywhere on this team right now.

  Steve Smith Sr. has made plays for us time and time again. But he's hurt. Wallace is also a guy who is a play-maker IMO. There's just no game-breaking WR outside of Steve Smith Sr. I'm taking about a superstar #1 WR like a AJ or Julio and Steve Smith is not at that level anymore. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

  Steve Smith Sr. has made plays for us time and time again. But he's hurt. Wallace is also a guy who is a play-maker IMO. There's just no game-breaking WR outside of Steve Smith Sr. I'm taking about a superstar #1 WR like a AJ or Julio and Steve Smith is not at that level anymore. 

That's how I see it.  We have playmakers, but don't have the game changer - the guy that can put the whole team on his back and make a play.  Steve has shades of that at least, but he's not consistent in that matter.

[PurpleCity5]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's how I see it.  We have playmakers, but don't have the game changer - the guy that can put the whole team on his back and make a play.  Steve has shades of that at least, but he's not consistent in that matter.

I just want someone who can be a game changer at WR so badly. That's the biggest missing element to the offense. They do so much more than catch passes. I watch guys like AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Antonio Brown and it's unbelievable what these guys do for their teams. I guarantee that with these guys on the field, a guy like Mike Wallace would be much more effective than he is now even with a decrease in targets. If a guy like Mike Williams who might shoot up the draft boards is considered a potential superstar WR, then I want us to sell the house for him. 

Edited October 18, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, mmcclend said:

Yeah exactly. It's funny though because last week nobody thought we had that problem remember? im confused, it seems like you agree with me now but argued this very point all last week. Hmmm. 

 

Theres a difference between saying "we lack a true, elite of the elite game breaker... "

and saying "this team doesnt have play makers any where and we suck at drafting... .we havent had a good draft in 8 years."

I think most recognize we could use better WRs and dont have that one, top of the league type skill position player on this roster. That doesnt mean we havent drafted well... bc there may be only like 10 teams in the NFL who have that player.

[ravens rule]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's how I see it.  We have playmakers, but don't have the game changer - the guy that can put the whole team on his back and make a play.  Steve has shades of that at least, but he's not consistent in that matter.

Because he's 37 years old lol. This FO man.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

And the funniest thing about this is - had Jimmy stayed in the game, Odell probably doesnt do anything as he had 1 catch for 6 yds against Jimmy and like 2 catches for 15 yards prior to his injury.

Put me on Perriman and he'll look amazing.

Not saying Beckhams not on a different level bc he is. But theres one of him in the entire league. Hes been the best (statistically) receiver ever in the history of the NFL through 2 1/4 seasons, and he missed time at that.

But I will ask this - what do Odell, Megatron, AJ Green, Deandre Hopkins, Keenan Allen, Mike Evans, Julio Jones, Dez Bryant, Jeremy Maclin, Vincent Jackson, etc all have in common?? Anyone? Anyone?

No rings.

 

Yea, id love one. any of em. Theyre great. But Torrey, Pitta and Boldin have rings. Theyre luxury's not a necessity. Id rather have an OL than a WR or 2. Look at Dallas killing it with a RB, game managing QB and OL. Dez is out.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

As nice as it'd be to have an ODB, you don't need a world beater at wr to win a sb. Having a sufficient oline and dline is so much more important.

 

To get most of the playmaking WRs you need to get into the top 10. Unless we pull a Julio jones type trade we ain't getting one. We have a guy who has the potential to develop into a "game changer" but he ain't doing it now. 

 

If if there's any position we need a "game changer at" it's edge rusher. Honestly a Myles garret type changes this team from a top 10 defensive unit to top 5. 

 

Good  thing is, this years class at edge rusher is deep.

 

First focus should be fixing the oline though on the offense. You need good players at the wr and TE position but not a world beater to win a SB. 

 

We we have a lot of talent, but are a key piece or two from becoming a first place team in the division.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, mmcclend said:

Trust me I know, and maybe you know. But if you look at my other thread 80% of posters here are in denial about it. 

In denial about what? Needing more "playmakers"? Well, no crap. When have you ever heard an NFL team say, "Gosh, no thank you, we have enough playmakers already."

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

This isn't something new.  Some people may think we have one, but most people around here recognize that we don't have a true game changer anywhere on this team right now.

I'd say we potentially have one. But he might not work out at WR. He's easily got the talent to be one but needs to put the pieces together. At least he's flashed.

 

id argue we have a few playmakers. CJ, Jernigan, Weddle, Flacco, West is looking like one(a RB who can make 1-2 yard gains into 3-4 yard gains becomes a game changer with a good oline), Pitta is one. But one at the wr position we do not. But we need a pass rusher far more atm. And another outside CB(he doesn't even have to be great. Just good enough).

 

We're not lacking talent but could use a Myles garret type pass rusher. If we can fix the offensive line we should be fine going forward there. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

How come, when discussing "playmakers" on this team, no one ever mentions The Wolf Pack? All three of those guys are playmakers in my book. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

In denial about what? Needing more "playmakers"? Well, no crap. When have you ever heard an NFL team say, "Gosh, no thank you, we have enough playmakers already."

Oh see you dont get it either.

Apparently saying "we dont have an Odell Beckham on this team" is the exact same thing as saying "we dont have 1 single play maker on this team, and havent drafted well in a decade."

Duh.

[usmccharles]

Man,  I don't know what I would have done without  @mmcclend analysis of us needing a playmaker.   I'm really glad he broke it down for me and explained that having obj would benefit us,  I don't think I would of ever thought having a top wr would be a good thing.   Especially glad no one else,  at all, thinks we need playmakers,  he is really standing out on his own here.  

[Tru11]

if rather build upon that o-line adding players the caliber of stanley and yanda if we decide to go offense.

however my wish list is a pass rusher first , CB second and o-line again 3rd.

[flynismo]

2 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Oh see you dont get it either.

Apparently saying "we dont have an Odell Beckham on this team" is the exact same thing as saying "we dont have 1 single play maker on this team, and havent drafted well in a decade."

Duh.

Ah, my bad! Someone needs to hand that man a Nobel for the amazing literature.

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

if rather build upon that o-line adding players the caliber of stanley and yanda if we decide to go offense.

however my wish list is a pass rusher first , CB second and o-line again 3rd.

I've been whining for many years now that this team only goes as far as the OL will allow it to. This season is bearing that out. At this point though, an improvement in any one of those areas will make a huge impact.

[codizzle]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

This isn't something new.  Some people may think we have one, but most people around here recognize that we don't have a true game changer anywhere on this team right now.

How many game changers have the Ravens had on offense in franchise history? 

 

Just about every team in the league doesn't have a game changer of OBJ's level 

[Tru11]

21 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I've been whining for many years now that this team only goes as far as the OL will allow it to. This season is bearing that out. At this point though, an improvement in any one of those areas will make a huge impact.

yeah i never been that much of a fan of selling the house just for a WR.

would only make sense if you have litte areas of needs tbh.

 

[codizzle]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

In denial about what? Needing more "playmakers"? Well, no crap. When have you ever heard an NFL team say, "Gosh, no thank you, we have enough playmakers already."

Detour

 

I think Dallas is pretty close to being able to say that once Dez is back... scary good offense 

[Ravensfan23]

I think the biggest issue is that fans are impatient and even more so when the team is losing. Very rarely do you a guy who will join your team and be a game changer from day one. I believe the OP mentioned that the Ravens haven't developed their own play makers. Well it takes time to actually develop. Perriman has had his ups and downs, but you can clearly see the potential for him to be a problem for defenses. 

Often times we as fans want a guy to come in from day one and light up the NFL, but rarely does that happen. Yes guys like OBJ, Green and Julio light up the NFL in year one. But many others didn't and not to mention Perriman has missed training camp in both of his first 2 seasons. That's when a guy develops the most. 

Look at AB. Who was he in 2010, he certainly wasn't a guy people feared. In fact the only big play of any kind he made that year was the 58 yard catch on 3rd and 17 vs the Ravens in the playoffs. Other than that he didn't nothing. In fact that 2010 Steelers offense looked a lot like the Ravens do right now. 2 rookies, 2 possesion guys, a play making TE and a deep threat in Wallace. 

Dez Bryant wasn't a game changer in year one, but I'm sure many if not everyone would take him on this team. 

Now i'm not saying that Perriman is AB or Dez or anyone else for that matter. But what I am saying is he has potential and is still getting his footing. He could very well be the playmaker/ game changer that we all want.  

[Wildabeast88]

6 hours ago, mmcclend said:

Ravens Searching For Playmaker Like Odell Beckham Jr.

One of the things the Ravens’ struggling but improving offense could use right now is a playmaker.

CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown says to look no further than the Ravens’ opponent last week to see what a true playmaker looks like.

“The Ravens need more of their playmakers stepping up the way Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. stepped up for the Giants on Sunday,” he wrote. “Consider that Beckham had 211 yards receiving in the second half Sunday. … Ravens wide receiver Breshad Perriman has 172 yards receiving the entire season.”

 

-Sarah Ellison 

 

I guess maybe I wasn't that far off on my analysis. Everybody outside this board sees we lack playmakers. 

He wasn't much of a playmaker when Jimmy locked him down but against the backups he owned them. Until this weeks game Beckham had not been very good this year

[Wildabeast88]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Steve Smith Sr. anyone? 

Can we get 20 more of him please

[FlocksGottaFeed]

What the article conveniently doesn't emphasize is:

• Who threw the pass? Why isn't he the play-maker? He's actually won Super Bowls.
• Why didn't OBJ have a 'playmaker' 1st half?
• And if it was as easy as having a 'so-called' play-maker on your team then why were the Giants on a 3 game losing streak?

The most interesting thing about the 'game breaking' play OBJ made is that it was the exact same route to he ran earlier when he got rocked and fumbled and mysteriously pulled-up lame after being embarrassed (Absolutely no sign of an injury after that play). Who was really injured? Jimmy Smith (play-maker). The guy who didn't allow him to even slightly look like a 'play-maker' while he was in. OBJ had one great game this season (unfortunately against us).

Yes, we need play-makers like any other team in the league, but would anyone consider Jacoby Jones a 'play-maker'? Wow, we won a Super Bowl with the plays he made that day. We have 11 play-makers on offense, defense and ST. When it's all said and done - don't believe the hype - just recognize.

GO Ravens!

Edited October 19, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
typo - Jimmy Smith (the play-maker)

[BmoreBird22]

46 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Can we get 20 more of him please

20 more 2005 Steve Smiths.

[trevorsteadman]

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

20 more 2005 Steve Smiths.

I would take 2015 Steve Smith... On pace for 1500 yards and that was with a missed game with broken ribs and several playing through the broken ribs.

[BmoreBird22]

This is in reply to stflegends thread earlier.

I suppose it defines how you define playmaker. Is it someone who just makes plays when you need it? If so, then you still have SSS and Mosley is absolutely showing up as a playmaker. Also, give some love to Zach Orr because he's been playing out of his mind this season. I think if you need a big play, you can for sure count on those three and possibly Jernigan/Weddle, although, I wouldn't say we can count on them consistently.

However, I think you're looking for a game changer, someone who can take over a game in the blink of an eye like Odell did against a fully loaded backup secondary. If that's the case, you should take out...

Bryant, Witten, Thomas, Edelman, L.O.B., Cooper, Nelson, Cobb, Olsen, Jeffery, Marshall, Cooks, Martin, Hilton, Murray, Landry, Tate (seriously, have you watched the Lions this year? Marvin Jones is a playmaker for that team). 

That'd leave you with Miller, Talib, Peterson, OBJ, Julio, Green, Ansah, Robinson, McCoy, Gronk, Johnson, Fitzgerald, Watt, Hopkins, Gurley, AB, Bell, Mack, and Kuechly. These guys can take over a game at any given point. If that's what you're looking for, then no, the Ravens do not have one of these.

But if you're looking for one of the Cobb's or Martin's of the NFL, then the Ravens have them.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I would take 2015 Steve Smith... On pace for 1500 yards and that was with a missed game with broken ribs and several playing through the broken ribs.

If the Ravens had receivers with his toughness across the board, they'd be golden.

[K-Dog]

6 hours ago, flynismo said:

In denial about what? Needing more "playmakers"? Well, no crap. When have you ever heard an NFL team say, "Gosh, no thank you, we have enough playmakers already."

Bill Belichick says " Hi"

Not really, though.

 

We do have playmakers on our team.  Did anyone notice our inactive list on Sunday?  Some serious play makes there.