Is anyone else tired of points being taken off the board?

[trevorsteadman]

3 hours ago, K-Dog said:

Brian Regan agrees.

He says sno-cone though.

You can play half a game and still get a whole sno-cone.

 

https://youtu.be/prLLabn1vPA

 

I'm so glad you posted this.

[RayRayRaven]

11 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

No brainer to go for it in that situation. If you stop them they're backed up at the 1 and we get the ball back in good field position which is what happened anyway. 4 plays to get 3 yards and we couldn't do it, this is what we should be upset about, Harbaugh was right to go for it.

no way

he takes the points we have Tucker settin up for a 42 yarder on the road to win who would not accept that as a better risk

he better not do that agains the jets

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Who reads any post when it takes up a whole page. Make your point without writing a book

[usmccharles]

44 minutes ago, RayRayRaven said:

no way

he takes the points we have Tucker settin up for a 42 yarder on the road to win who would not accept that as a better risk

he better not do that agains the jets

This is the problem right here.  Some of you have the delusion of thinking your opinion is fact,  hate to tell you this but it it's not.   This goes for both stances,  I think it was a good call,  that's my opinion,  not fact.  

[flynismo]

2 hours ago, RayRayRaven said:

no way

he takes the points we have Tucker settin up for a 42 yarder on the road to win who would not accept that as a better risk

he better not do that agains the jets

And what if we go for the FG and Tucker misses? Do we then have a week long discussion about how we should have went for it?

[January J]

8 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

NO. I would say its poor coaching. I saw your earlier analysis that proved nothing. But then, you would probably line your high school soccer kicker up as a left-footed kicker like Harbaugh did to fool the Redskins. C'mon man!

Normally I would agree, but the way the skins were lined up it actually looked like the skins took the bait - they obviously don't have too many savvy players BC I scoped that mess out instantly yellin here comes the fake. Lol either that or Tucker was about to pull some hotshot showoff move showing he can do it with both legs 

If only Crockett didn't stumble I think tuck would've threw a  dime to the endzone. He was locked on but crock wasnt where he was supposed to be so there was hesitation.

Edited October 19, 2016 by January J

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, frozen joe flacco fan said:

NO. I would say its poor coaching. I saw your earlier analysis that proved nothing. But then, you would probably line your high school soccer kicker up as a left-footed kicker like Harbaugh did to fool the Redskins. C'mon man!

Of course you'd call it poor coaching, because you're lazy. 

When it works = great coaching

When it fails = poor coaching

Unfortunately, coaches don't have the luxury of living in the bubble that fans do. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723847/article/harbaugh-on-failed-fourth-down-are-you-kidding-me

article from NFL.com on the topic.

Points out that pretty much every analytical analysis says Harbs going for it on 4th and 1 at the goal line was the right move. We, specifically, have converted 75% of our 4th down attempts. I'd say the odds were in our favor.

Not only that, I liked what Harbs asked the media, and will pose the question here.

For those of you saying it was the wrong move to go for it in that spot, why are you not complaining and questioning his decision to go for it on 4th down from our own 35 yard line later in the 4th qtr? Wouldnt that be an even worse decision in your opinion, since we were so deep in our end zone? 

Wait, so you dont care about Harbs doing that, or even remember, because it worked out?

So, just as I thought.... you guys are only upset bc it didnt work. That doesnt make it the wrong decision. Unfortunately, coaches arent time travelers and cant base their decision-making on the future results.

I'm pretty sure if Harbs knew for a fact we wouldnt convert - he wouldnt do it. 

This fan reaction, hindsight analysis, is like sitting at the Black Jack table... watching someone stay on 19, have the dealer flip 20, and tell em "man youre an idiot, that was the wrong decision - you should have hit there!! The dealers been hitting 20 or 21 all day!" 

We all know the chances of flipping a 2 there are slim-to-none, but it sure is easy to want to risk it anyways when you know doing the right thing fails anyways. Kinda like its easy to forego the 7 pts, when you already know the attempt fails.

Smart people play the odds. Doing the right thing, in real time, is not grounded in evaluating the result after the fact. The right decision is based on what gives your team the best chance to win. And, in that situation, scoring the TD did. And it wasnt wrong to think this team could get 1/2 yard since we had done it, what twice in the game?

 

And I really want to here the explanations on why you havent mentioned us going for it on 4th from our own 35. Why wasnt that a horrible decision? 

And why arent the Giants stupid for their 3, 4th down attempts?

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723847/article/harbaugh-on-failed-fourth-down-are-you-kidding-me

article from NFL.com on the topic.

Points out that pretty much every analytical analysis says Harbs going for it on 4th and 1 at the goal line was the right move. We, specifically, have converted 75% of our 4th down attempts. I'd say the odds were in our favor.

Not only that, I liked what Harbs asked the media, and will pose the question here.

For those of you saying it was the wrong move to go for it in that spot, why are you not complaining and questioning his decision to go for it on 4th down from our own 35 yard line later in the 4th qtr? Wouldnt that be an even worse decision in your opinion, since we were so deep in our end zone? 

Wait, so you dont care about Harbs doing that, or even remember, because it worked out?

So, just as I thought.... you guys are only upset bc it didnt work. That doesnt make it the wrong decision. Unfortunately, coaches arent time travelers and cant base their decision-making on the future results.

I'm pretty sure if Harbs knew for a fact we wouldnt convert - he wouldnt do it. 

This fan reaction, hindsight analysis, is like sitting at the Black Jack table... watching someone stay on 19, have the dealer flip 20, and tell em "man youre an idiot, that was the wrong decision - you should have hit there!! The dealers been hitting 20 or 21 all day!" 

We all know the chances of flipping a 2 there are slim-to-none, but it sure is easy to want to risk it anyways when you know doing the right thing fails anyways. Kinda like its easy to forego the 7 pts, when you already know the attempt fails.

Smart people play the odds. Doing the right thing, in real time, is not grounded in evaluating the result after the fact. The right decision is based on what gives your team the best chance to win. And, in that situation, scoring the TD did. And it wasnt wrong to think this team could get 1/2 yard since we had done it, what twice in the game?

 

And I really want to here the explanations on why you havent mentioned us going for it on 4th from our own 35. Why wasnt that a horrible decision? 

And why arent the Giants stupid for their 3, 4th down attempts?

I was going to mention the 4th down from our own 35, but I couldn't remember the full context. I know we were down 3 and I believe it was about 2:30 left in the game roughly, but could not recall how many timeouts we had.

Great example of where context and game situation means everything. With a good defense and probably 2-3 timeouts left, you likely punt and try to get the ball back with 2 minutes left. Granted, any first down pretty much ends the game.

But with our defense on that day, I'd consider the likelihood of us getting the ball back very small, so going for it seemed right. Obviously it worked, so fans will never complain about something that worked, but if it didn't, I would have been interested to see what the backlash would have been. 

Would have been hard for anybody to argue that putting our defense back on the field was a good idea in that spot.

[trevorsteadman]

13 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723847/article/harbaugh-on-failed-fourth-down-are-you-kidding-me

article from NFL.com on the topic.

Points out that pretty much every analytical analysis says Harbs going for it on 4th and 1 at the goal line was the right move. We, specifically, have converted 75% of our 4th down attempts. I'd say the odds were in our favor.

Not only that, I liked what Harbs asked the media, and will pose the question here.

For those of you saying it was the wrong move to go for it in that spot, why are you not complaining and questioning his decision to go for it on 4th down from our own 35 yard line later in the 4th qtr? Wouldnt that be an even worse decision in your opinion, since we were so deep in our end zone? 

Wait, so you dont care about Harbs doing that, or even remember, because it worked out?

So, just as I thought.... you guys are only upset bc it didnt work. That doesnt make it the wrong decision. Unfortunately, coaches arent time travelers and cant base their decision-making on the future results.

I'm pretty sure if Harbs knew for a fact we wouldnt convert - he wouldnt do it. 

This fan reaction, hindsight analysis, is like sitting at the Black Jack table... watching someone stay on 19, have the dealer flip 20, and tell em "man youre an idiot, that was the wrong decision - you should have hit there!! The dealers been hitting 20 or 21 all day!" 

We all know the chances of flipping a 2 there are slim-to-none, but it sure is easy to want to risk it anyways when you know doing the right thing fails anyways. Kinda like its easy to forego the 7 pts, when you already know the attempt fails.

Smart people play the odds. Doing the right thing, in real time, is not grounded in evaluating the result after the fact. The right decision is based on what gives your team the best chance to win. And, in that situation, scoring the TD did. And it wasnt wrong to think this team could get 1/2 yard since we had done it, what twice in the game?

 

And I really want to here the explanations on why you havent mentioned us going for it on 4th from our own 35. Why wasnt that a horrible decision? 

And why arent the Giants stupid for their 3, 4th down attempts?

I totally forgot about the Giants converting on 4th down a couple times.... That was so annoying.. Team needs to get off the field...

[January J]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723847/article/harbaugh-on-failed-fourth-down-are-you-kidding-me

article from NFL.com on the topic.

Points out that pretty much every analytical analysis says Harbs going for it on 4th and 1 at the goal line was the right move. We, specifically, have converted 75% of our 4th down attempts. I'd say the odds were in our favor.

Not only that, I liked what Harbs asked the media, and will pose the question here.

For those of you saying it was the wrong move to go for it in that spot, why are you not complaining and questioning his decision to go for it on 4th down from our own 35 yard line later in the 4th qtr? Wouldnt that be an even worse decision in your opinion, since we were so deep in our end zone? 

Wait, so you dont care about Harbs doing that, or even remember, because it worked out?

So, just as I thought.... you guys are only upset bc it didnt work. That doesnt make it the wrong decision. Unfortunately, coaches arent time travelers and cant base their decision-making on the future results.

I'm pretty sure if Harbs knew for a fact we wouldnt convert - he wouldnt do it. 

This fan reaction, hindsight analysis, is like sitting at the Black Jack table... watching someone stay on 19, have the dealer flip 20, and tell em "man youre an idiot, that was the wrong decision - you should have hit there!! The dealers been hitting 20 or 21 all day!" 

We all know the chances of flipping a 2 there are slim-to-none, but it sure is easy to want to risk it anyways when you know doing the right thing fails anyways. Kinda like its easy to forego the 7 pts, when you already know the attempt fails.

Smart people play the odds. Doing the right thing, in real time, is not grounded in evaluating the result after the fact. The right decision is based on what gives your team the best chance to win. And, in that situation, scoring the TD did. And it wasnt wrong to think this team could get 1/2 yard since we had done it, what twice in the game?

 

And I really want to here the explanations on why you havent mentioned us going for it on 4th from our own 35. Why wasnt that a horrible decision? 

And why arent the Giants stupid for their 3, 4th down attempts?

Exactly. Don't question the decision to go for it one bit. I do however question the play calls. The sneak was basically a wasted play- and lost us yardage. Yes I know it has worked the majority of the time but that's the thing- it was far too predictable and  the giants sniffed it out immediately. If not for that lost yardage ( even though it was only a yard) that next play with west would have been a TD when he dove over the pile. IMO that's the play that should have been ran on 2nd down. He was so close to getting it in the first time just let him finish. Joe didn't even attempt to reach the ball over the plane- he was trying to sneak underneath which was a mistake when only needing a half yard. Even if he barely got in the cameras would've had a hard time seeing it if a td wasn't the call on the feild. Punch the ball up the gut with west 3 times in a row, all he has to do is get a half yard and break the plane.  Hindsight I know- and i know juice missed the block-but i called it before it even happened- sayin just keep feeding west! Coulda shoulda woulda.

Edited October 19, 2016 by January J

[1/28/01]

With the close games this year, hobbled oline and mediocre overall play, TAKE THE POINTS!  For the love of Pete, TAKE THE POINTS!!!!

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, 1/28/01 said:

With the close games this year, hobbled oline and mediocre overall play, TAKE THE POINTS!  For the love of Pete, TAKE THE POINTS!!!!

Holy cow, the prodigal son has returned! How's it been going?

[Militant X 1]

On 10/18/2016 at 10:38 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Lol yea i dont get this. Lets not be upset with the professional football players who couldnt get 1 yard.

Lets be mad at the coach, the leader, for having faith in his highly paid professionals to do the job.

That is where my focus has always been; on this piss poor offense that can't get 1 yard or a TD on 4 tries.  Pitiful!

[Ravensfan23]

4 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

That is where my focus has always been; on this piss poor offense that can't get 1 yard or a TD on 4 tries.  Pitiful!

Couldn't agree more. I think it's been 2 different cases where the defense gets the ball back for the offense inside the other teams 30 and the offense does nothing. I think they started at the 15 vs the Redskins. When your offense is stuck in the mud you put your coach in that tough situation of do I try to make the best of this opportunity because I know my offense my not get another chance like this or do I take the poor and basically waste an opportunity. 

I wonder if the offense was playing better if Mosley would have tried so hard to score on his INT? I think he would have but knowing your offense can't score often probably gave the defense a we gotta score type mentality. 

[Gtown Purple]

On 10/18/2016 at 6:01 PM, K-Dog said:

Brian Regan agrees.

He says sno-cone though.

You can play half a game and still get a whole sno-cone.

 

https://youtu.be/prLLabn1vPA

 

+ infinity

[berad]

In most cases, I didn't agree with the decisions to go for it. Against the Redskins was particularly bad.

This past one, though, on the one yard line... I agreed and was disappointed we couldn't make it.

[rmcjacket23]

22 hours ago, 1/28/01 said:

With the close games this year, hobbled oline and mediocre overall play, TAKE THE POINTS!  For the love of Pete, TAKE THE POINTS!!!!

I think in this case its sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[Rav'n Maniac]

2 hours ago, berad said:

In most cases, I didn't agree with the decisions to go for it. Against the Redskins was particularly bad.

This past one, though, on the one yard line... I agreed and was disappointed we couldn't make it.

I agree, disappointment is exactly what I felt but, I had no problem going for it from the one. I wouldn't have faked the field goal against the Skins, it was bad. The OAK game I was fine with going for the two points but, would have settled for them kicking on 4th & 6 instead of taking the penalty. I understand both sides of the argument there but, we had already won the drive by stopping them and holding them to a field goal.

Not much of a field goal person but, when your drive stalls outside the redzone, you half to kick for the points.

[flynismo]

"If you're going to be aggressive, do it early, that way you have time to make up for it if it goes awry".

-- Announcer on Thursday Night Football, Packers vs Bears

[JoeyFlex5]

that was obviously the right call. failed execution in so many ways though. the play call wasnt great but if juice sticks his block then its a TD most likely, the real killer was that we had a chance to pin them inside the 1 but instead gave it to them on the 3 which is a world of difference. team failed to execute on offense, then we couldnt get a 3 and out even though they started inside the 5, lord knows we'd be punting to midfield and allowing a 10 yard return had the tables been turned on us. 

[darklight1216]

I know that in general most teams would go for it, but when your offense has proven time and time again that they simply cannot punch it in, it might be time to try something else... like kicking a field goal.

 

Anyways, my real question is this: why do I keep hearing/reading that the Ravens "left points on the board?"

Shouldn't it be said that they left points on the field or took them off the board?

[flynismo]

20 minutes ago, darklight1216 said:

Anyways, my real question is this: why do I keep hearing/reading that the Ravens "left points on the board?"

Shouldn't it be said that they left points on the field or took them off the board?

FWIW, only on here do I see people saying that, lol!

[Militant X 1]

3 hours ago, darklight1216 said:

I know that in general most teams would go for it, but when your offense has proven time and time again that they simply cannot punch it in, it might be time to try something else... like kicking a field goal.

 

Anyways, my real question is this: why do I keep hearing/reading that the Ravens "left points on the board?"

Shouldn't it be said that they left points on the field or took them off the board?

In my football circles, to us "taking points off the board" is when we're speaking of the scoring of the game and why this team has their amount of points. Someone might say; "If said team didn't get that pass interference, the other said team wouldn't have been in position to score that TD to go up 21-14 etc.?"  To us, that is "taking points off the board!"  Not this stuff I read in here. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

4 hours ago, darklight1216 said:

I know that in general most teams would go for it, but when your offense has proven time and time again that they simply cannot punch it in, it might be time to try something else... like kicking a field goal.

 

Anyways, my real question is this: why do I keep hearing/reading that the Ravens "left points on the board?"

Shouldn't it be said that they left points on the field or took them off the board?

We had punched it in with West from the 1 yd line for our earlier TD, and then did so again in the 4th qtr after the Perriman PI call.

We scored the TD in 2/3 opportunities in that game.