[News] Late For Work 10/18: Joe Flacco Playing 'Average;' Potential Return Of Former Ravens Reciever

[Purple Dawg 96]

Getting tired of people blaming everyone but Joe! Why is it Mallet beat the squeelers at their peak and Joe is barely getting past teams with starters? ! I got people here in Cleveland that will tell you how much I liked Joe but he isn't cutting it anymore and if the knee brace is holding him back then Ryan Mallet needs to start! People scared it will be the same situation like in Dallas if you ask me! YUP they scared Mallet will win like he did at the end of a bad season lifting our spirits with that win and Sweeping the squeelers! I guess some of you think that was a fluke though! Holding Mallet back like they did Tyrod when he should have started against the pats when Joe's leg was wrapped up and a sitting duck!
Shut me up Joe win Sunday because I'm not giving up on my Squad! LETS GO!

[Minionhunter]

2 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

I think the issue with Joe has to do with him being put in the Shotgun for the majority of his snaps. Compare that with the offense under Kubiak, where he was under center far more often and was more successful. Not only did it provide the threat of a running game to open up play action and keep pass rushers honest, it allowed the Ravens to roll protection or have Joe bootleg to buy time against a pass rush. It also helped Joe's mechanics, making it less likely that he'd throw flat-footed / off of his back foot.

Against the Giants, he was under center for the first quarter and a half, then went predominantly to the shotgun after that. The results were predictable.

Yep, and he was asked to throw it 48 times! There was more running this game, and I know that the play-action passing off of a typical run formation look helped contribute to the imbalance (and I'm OK with that), but we still need to run more. Either that or we needed to keep going to play-action because it was working. The one thing the coaching doesn't seem to do is to adjust to keep throwing what works at the opposing team until they prove they can stop it. MM was a little better than MT, but he still needed to keep at it more. Dean Pees does not seem to adjust well at all, especially when his corners started dropping like flies.

[Minionhunter]

1 minute ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Getting tired of people blaming everyone but Joe! Why is it Mallet beat the squeelers at their peak and Joe is barely getting past teams with starters? ! I got people here in Cleveland that will tell you how much I liked Joe but he isn't cutting it anymore and if the knee brace is holding him back then Ryan Mallet needs to start! People scared it will be the same situation like in Dallas if you ask me! YUP they scared Mallet will win like he did at the end of a bad season lifting our spirits with that win and Sweeping the squeelers! I guess some of you think that was a fluke though! Holding Mallet back like they did Tyrod when he should have started against the pats when Joe's leg was wrapped up and a sitting duck!
Shut me up Joe win Sunday because I'm not giving up on my Squad! LETS GO!

Mallet beat the Steelers because they got over confident and were shell shocked when he was throwing it. They had no game plan for it because he was so new to the team, and everyone spent an enormous amount of time helping him get ready that week. Mallet has a million dollar arm and a 50 cent head.

 

[bioLarzen]

I've long had the feeling that the Ravens brass should at last find scouts who are good WR-talent evaluators. The best WR Ozzie picked in 20 years was Torrey Smith. And he wasn't good enough to warrant a second contract.

I think that says it all.

[b93333]

39 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Let it be known, if we lose to the Jets, the season is over and we might as well start opening up draft 2017 talks.

True enough... but it's hard to have any confidence in our draft picks no matter how high we draft.

[bioLarzen]

One more notion: maybe Harbaugh should take a deep look into how good QB-WR couples keep torching their opponents - us, for example... Manning to Beckham... Dalton to Green... Stafford to Megatron... Romo to Bryant... Ryan to Julio Jones... Roethlisberger to Brown... Rodgers to anyone...

If you've got a QB who can toss the ball accurately enough downfield and a wR who's grown to him, and can keep both on the field, it's half the success. When we had it (McNair then Flacco to Mason, the Flacco to Boldin and Torreey Smith), we were successful. Without it, we are not...

Edited October 18, 2016 by bioLarzen

[Minionhunter]

Everyone saying how great Dak Prescott looks, tell me, which team has the best O-line in the NFL? If it is not Dallas, they are either #2 or #3.

Remember when they picked Zack Martin just before we were going to pick him. They always seem to pick just before us and take the player we need the most. This year we picked so high it didn't really matter, but still we could have Elliot. Screw Ramsey.

[bioLarzen]

2 minutes ago, Minionhunter said:

Everyone saying how great Dak Prescott looks, tell me, which team has the best O-line in the NFL? If it is not Dallas, they are either #2 or #3.

Remember when they picked Zack Martin just before we were going to pick him. They always seem to pick just before us and take the player we need the most. This year we picked so high it didn't really matter, but still we could have Elliot. Screw Ramsey.

Well, if things go on the way they've been, they won't pick ahead of us the next time

[Minionhunter]

Just now, bioLarzen said:

One more notion: maybe Harbaugh should take a deep look into how good QB-WR couples keep torching their opponents - us, for example... Manning to Beckham... Dalton to Green... Stafford to Megatron... Romo to Bryant... Ryan to Julio Jones...

If you've got a QB who can toss the ball accurately enough downfield and a wR who's grown to him, and can keep both on the field, it's half the success. When we had it (McNair then Flacco to Mason, the Flacco to Boldin and Torreey Smith), we were successful. Without it, we are not...

That is a good point, Flacco said that he wanted to keep his playmakers on the field instead of using eveyrone like Trestman was trying to do. You have to give your guys the chance to get hot. I have a feeling that Perriman will get hot once he has his first big game, but they have to keep throwing to him for that to happen.

 

Remember Gary, he only went to the backups in the last part of games where the primary targets either were not producing or the game was already decided. Other than that, it was going to the same guys over and over again with confusion on the looks he showed.

[Minionhunter]

Just now, bioLarzen said:

Well, if things go on the way they've been, they won't pick ahead of us the next time

Lol. Well said. I would prefer if we don't make the tournament, that we loose out the rest of the season and don't get anyone else hurt.

Dallas was my surrogate team when the Colts were stolen. Because, copulate the Redskins and my blowhard childhood neighbors.

[Ravenshine]

Everyone saying how great Dak Prescott looks, tell me, which team has the best O-line in the NFL? If it is not Dallas, they are either #2 or #3.

Remember when they picked Zack Martin just before we were going to pick him. They always seem to pick just before us and take the player we need the most. This year we picked so high it didn't really matter, but still we could have Elliot. Screw Ramsey.

Yep, Dallas is an example of how much an Oline can do for the overall offense. Elliot has 700+ rushing yards. Anyone who thinks it's all just him is crazy. I'd like to see them play Romo...just to see how much is Dak and how much is simply a 'good offense'.

[The Negotiator]

This team is lacking on both sides of the ball playmakers game changers. Last few stars we trade back for more picks. We need to get playmakers not more fill ins. Wideout is our number one need, pass rusher second and running back. When you look at this team is see no game changers.

[feartheflock]

Flacco has been average his entire career

[Minionhunter]

4 minutes ago, Ravenshine said:

Yep, Dallas is an example of how much an Oline can do for the overall offense. Elliot has 700+ rushing yards. Anyone who thinks it's all just him is crazy. I'd like to see them play Romo...just to see how much is Dak and how much is simply a 'good offense'.

Ravenshine, I thought you were Dorota for a minute, this seems like something she would point out, but you hit the mark on the head. It's the O-Line! We were playing all backups, a rookie at LT (out of position, too) except for the starting Center who was the weakest link on the line when it was all starters. How anyone can think that Joe should be amazing behind that line would be crazy! Did Harbs praise the line, yep and he should have because they did a great job for it being a makeshift unit.

The average lack of thought behind some of the comments and analysis is baffling to me. Yes, it sucks we are loosing, especially since we are in every game until the last minute, literally. However that is the amazing thing how well we are doing this year in-spite of all the problems, the exact opposite take of what most are saying, which is how awful we are doing since we should "just be winning" because we are the Ravens because you know "Pixies" or "magic" or something.

Trestman is gone now and that was needed, now we have to get rid of Pees, but with Suggs gone, Leslie can take the end of year heat and survive or we can find someone better if he goes too, Pees must go. Putting one backup corner on OBJ and not double teaming him after the first TD is a fire-able offense. So was keeping Lewis over Brooks. Pees is now in a bend then break defense, I don't care what the stats say. The only reason he looks good is because of Weddle and arguably Leslie teaching the new guys on defense how to intercept balls.

Harbs gets one more year without that idiot who was the only Patriots DC under Belichick to be "mutually, let go" instead of going on to become a head coach somewhere else. He destroyed the NE defense, he destroyed the Baltimore defense and needs to be fired.

[krnraven]

Funny how now fans have put down the purple shades and stopped drinking the purple koolaid to see that this team is average at best. This was evident when we were 3-0.

The entire secondary outside Jimmy Smith, Weddle and Tavon Young are garbage and should be released after the season. Joe is an average QB with an elite arm. OZ's wasted picks in rounds 2-3 again.

That said, I hold out a little hope that we can turn it around before it's too late. Next week at Jets will be critical turning point.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Flacco has been average his entire career

Not true and you know it. Does his best work in post season but you know that as well. Stop the griping and stop blaming the QB for everything wrong. He basically had no training camp and it will take time to get into a rhythm. It may well be 2 or 3 games down the road. At this point I would rather have Flacco at the helm. Some other teams in our division are not exactly killing their opponents either. The Browns just can't win, the Bengals are bungles and the Steelers are up one week and down the next.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Let it be known, if we lose to the Jets, the season is over and we might as well start opening up draft 2017 talks.

I think you want that to happen so you can brag about how right you are. You are not a "diehard" fan at all. God forbid the players have your attitude.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Sure, Joe has not looked good this year. However anyone blaming him is out of their mind. All these stats based articles are a great way to disprove why stats alone are terrible indicators.

It's the O-line which wasn't very good to start with (two rookies starting on the left which is INSANE) and is now in shambles, the center being the stable piece who was the worst performing member of the starting line. This leads to Joe getting hit or running for his life. No wonder his is anxious to throw, the same thing happens when Rogers or Brady or anyone does not have a good line and is getting hit constantly. Plus the new RB core is worse at protection now and is untrustworthy.

Also, Flacco has consistently delivered good balls and the receivers drop them. Perriman, Morre and Wallace are all guilty of dropping easy catches and game winning catches, mostly on buddy pass like balls. You can't win if you deliver the perfect pass on the perfectly called play and the receiver drops it.

Flacco still had the team in position and drove them down the field with a chance to win, again.

Also, he wasn't the one who called on him to throw it 48 times this past game, he can only do what he is told, which is exactly what he does.

Also, Flacco is not responsible for 200+ yards and 2 TD to OBJ with the stupid coverage that Pees dials up.

No one wants to say it but this game was lost due to injuries. 3 starting O Linemen out, our most sure handed SSS is out, on the Defense CJ Mosley out, Jimmy Smith went out (OBJ was nothing until Jimmy went down), and then two more corners were lost. Now Suggs is gone, remember last year when Suggs was lost? How did that go. We can't replace Yanda, Stanley, Suggs or Jimmy, no one on the roster can do that.

The only wonder people should be thinking is how on Earth did Joe keep us in that game until the final drive. This is what elite players do, they give you the chance to win every time, they don't guarantee it every time.

Love your comments. You are one of the few fans that make sense.

[pocket]

21 minutes ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

44 minutes ago, feartheflock said:

Flacco has been average his entire career

Not true and you know it. Does his best work in post season but you know that as well. Stop the griping and stop blaming the QB for everything wrong. He basically had no training camp and it will take time to get into a rhythm. It may well be 2 or 3 games down the road. At this point I would rather have Flacco at the helm. Some other teams in our division are not exactly killing their opponents either. The Browns just can't win, the Bengals are bungles and the Steelers are up one week and down the next.

You have to get to the post season first. There have been qbs that have done more with less than his ability or personnel. Everyone seems to be making the game more difficult than it needs to be.

Edited October 18, 2016 by pocket

[blindbat]

Flacco is playing average what else is new he's half asleep most of the game then decides it's time to wake up and tease Ravens nation and then we lose and for everyone out there who defends Flacco don't forget Russell Wilson also doesn't have a great O line and doesn't have great receivers but always seems to get the job done. #NOMOREEXCUSES . Go Ravens!!!

[BigUgly]

Harbs is rightly ticked that the offense couldn't get half a yard on 4th and 1. That's because the philosophy of the offense is still based on a "West Coast", pass-heavy, zone-stretch, east-west style. It's the same offensive style, with the same issues in short yardage, that Harbs (and Marty) enjoyed watching his mentor Andy Reid employ in Philly all those years ago.

Though Kubiak employed the zone-stretch blocking scheme - which was partially retained (less the outside zone stretch) - Trestman sprinkled in more of the west-coast aspects which Marty is comfortable with. The current result is an ineffective Frankensteined offense that has no identity and critical disconnects between formation, play selection, routes, and blocking schemes.

Here's to hoping Haslam does something typical for that franchise and fires Hue Jackson. I'd trust him to right this offense, next year if not this.

[gr2522]

A patched up O-Line, a non-existent secondary, missing players at key positions due to injuries, etc. etc. At the end of the game, with an opportunity to win it with less than a minute, and the offense led by Flacco showed no sense of URGENCY walking up to the line wasting precious seconds. Totally inexcusable from our offense! We can point fingers a Pees for good reasons just like we pointed them at Trestman, however, on the last drive the offensive unit seemed to lack any motivation looking lost. This falls directly on the shoulders of one man, and we all know who it is. Coach Harbagh!

[steelcityraven]

Flacco is playing average what else is new he's half asleep most of the game then decides it's time to wake up and tease Ravens nation and then we lose and for everyone out there who defends Flacco don't forget Russell Wilson also doesn't have a great O line and doesn't have great receivers but always seems to get the job done. #NOMOREEXCUSES . Go Ravens!!!

blindbat.... I think we in RAVENNATION need to be more realistic. Joe is not an ELITE QB but he is maybe the best game manager in the NFL. When we ask him to manage the game (in the closing minutes of the game- in the playoffs, etc.) we get glimpses of how well Joe plays. When we try to turn him into Drew Brees or Tom Brady we see the bad with the good.

The good news is that we don't need him to be Tom Brady. We have won a super bowl with him being a great game manager (dinking and dunking with some sprinkles of long ball... making the smart decision and not turning the ball over).

When we let Joe do what Joe does best we are hard to beat. But when we try to turn him into a Fantasy Football all-star.., we get the 3 and outs and the turn overs etc.

Let Joe be the best game manager in the league. Sprinkle in a few long balls and keep the offense balanced so that we can keep defenses off balance.

Kubiack seemed to get this and look at the results. (of course he did it with an average Brock Oswiler also and a way over the hill Peyton Manning....

[billiejean]

Harbs is rightly ticked that the offense couldn't get half a yard on 4th and 1. That's because the philosophy of the offense is still based on a "West Coast", pass-heavy, zone-stretch, east-west style. It's the same offensive style, with the same issues in short yardage, that Harbs (and Marty) enjoyed watching his mentor Andy Reid employ in Philly all those years ago.

Though Kubiak employed the zone-stretch blocking scheme - which was partially retained (less the outside zone stretch) - Trestman sprinkled in more of the west-coast aspects which Marty is comfortable with. The current result is an ineffective Frankensteined offense that has no identity and critical disconnects between formation, play selection, routes, and blocking schemes.

Here's to hoping Haslam does something typical for that franchise and fires Hue Jackson. I'd trust him to right this offense, next year if not this.

well said

[ravens4life86]

Bjax said Joe is playing average...you know what he also said which harbaugh or hus OCs dont seem to be getting through their thick skulls..
He said Run the ball more!!!! He said and just about every Ravens fan will agree we lose when Joe throw 40 plus times a week. Yet every week its 45-50 passes

[budman]

2 hours ago, The Greek said:

if perriman is considered a one trick pony like torrey was than why use a 1st rd pick on him?

Good question. We new he had speed but what about the drops?? I don't remember his hands ever being an issue.

[omar586]

it's not all that bad, the offense needs to clean up the flags, and needs to spread Defenses out more and run it. OL needs to protect flacco better, the run game is good with current OL, despite all injuries.

[mmcclend]

Ravens Searching For Playmaker Like Odell Beckham Jr.

One of the things the Ravens’ struggling but improving offense could use right now is a playmaker.

CSNMidAtlantic.com’s Clifton Brown says to look no further than the Ravens’ opponent last week to see what a true playmaker looks like.

“The Ravens need more of their playmakers stepping up the way Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. stepped up for the Giants on Sunday,” he wrote. “Consider that Beckham had 211 yards receiving in the second half Sunday. … Ravens wide receiver Breshad Perriman has 172 yards receiving the entire season.”

 

very intereting. Looks a lot like my post last week. I guess Sarah agreed with me.

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[roamingcharges]

As much as I like Flacco I'll say this; if he doesn't play exceptionally well, in spite of a shaky O Line, the Ravens may be wise to start looking to draft their QB of the future-- believe it or not Flacco is in his 9th season going on 10th. I know the Offensive Line is bad, but it's easier to win with and manage a star at one position than 5 at 5 different positions.

On the topic of "Playmakers"; In some way, this is what Harbaugh brought on this team. His mantra is the team, the team, the team. That deemphasizes individualism and focuses on collectivism. Well, the upside notwithstanding, it hampers the drive to stand out in excellence. Notice that Harbaugh hasn't drafted one single "me" guy-- good thing, the team choruses the same tune, bad thing, there is nobody to look to when plays must be made. Harbaugh is the star on the Ravens (as he wanted) so he should coach like one, period! Just like Belichick is the costar of the Pats and he brings his A-game an average of 13 times per season. Brady is the other on that team and he does likewise.

Finally one piece of unsolicited advice to Harbaugh; you may want to unchain these boys and let them express themselves both on the field and in the locker room-- I just have a feeling you'll do it too late when Mr. Bisciotti would have seen enough. As great as a scheme might be, without players making plays it is useless. What do I know; I'm neither a player nor a coach-- just an everyday guy with a classroom degree... or two, that say I'm expected to be able to critically analyze basic business problems and come up with simple solutions.

[pocket]

1 hour ago, Minionhunter said:

1 hour ago, BigUgly said:

I think the issue with Joe has to do with him being put in the Shotgun for the majority of his snaps. Compare that with the offense under Kubiak, where he was under center far more often and was more successful. Not only did it provide the threat of a running game to open up play action and keep pass rushers honest, it allowed the Ravens to roll protection or have Joe bootleg to buy time against a pass rush. It also helped Joe's mechanics, making it less likely that he'd throw flat-footed / off of his back foot.

Against the Giants, he was under center for the first quarter and a half, then went predominantly to the shotgun after that. The results were predictable.

Yep, and he was asked to throw it 48 times! There was more running this game, and I know that the play-action passing off of a typical run formation look helped contribute to the imbalance (and I'm OK with that), but we still need to run more. Either that or we needed to keep going to play-action because it was working. The one thing the coaching doesn't seem to do is to adjust to keep throwing what works at the opposing team until they prove they can stop it. MM was a little better than MT, but he still needed to keep at it more. Dean Pees does not seem to adjust well at all, especially when his corners started dropping like flies.

How to play football well, isn't a secret. Make the game simple for yourself, spend the hours, before and after practice. As a career not just something you have to do.

Edited October 18, 2016 by pocket