Rethinking Stanley/Kaufusi and Jalen Ramsey draft deal

[BmoreBird22]

43 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Another example is how the Texans just re-upped Jackson as a FA and had Joseph under contract but decided to draft Kevin Johnson in the first and kept Joseph. That said, it doesn't always work because when you rob from Peter you have to pay Paul, and in this case you'd leave another position exposed that also needs help. I personally agree, however, that we should start double-dipping but I think we do that already as evidenced by Stanley and Lewis, Kafusi/Correa/Judon. Don't forget about Pitta and Dickson, too. We do this. It's just not extremely evident all the time. The only issue I see here with this strategy is you run the risk of overloading at a position of strength and making it so much a strength that you weaken other areas of your team. Of course, in the event of injuries you're set, but if there aren't injuries then people would be asking why we invested into a position of strength when we didn't need to do it and that these guys won't play. You know people would be saying that. 

Personally, I think you should do a bit of both--BPA and need. It just depends what the need is and then it depends on what the BPA is. Some positions you can go pure BPA all day and still fill out the roster, like CB. That's a position where you now need 3 or 4 solid CBs due to the emergence of WRs and the changing of the rules. You can also argue pass rusher as well--especially here.

I don't like the examples of like Pitta/Dickson or Correa Judon as much because what I'm talking about is spending high picks, like round one and two, on a position in this particular draft class that's just stacked. The upcoming draft class is stacked with pass rushers and corners. I'd love to see some combination of like PR/CB/PR or CB/PR/CB. Something like that in the first three rounds. 

I understand the double dip on Pitta and Dickson and where you might consider it, but that was round three and four. At that point, you're not totally expecting a game changer whereas just loading up on first rounders at a given position (the Vikings with corners, Bengals with corners and tackles) is probably going to lead to higher chances of that position having more success than if we spent four fifth round picks on pass rushers.

Does that make sense?

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't like the examples of like Pitta/Dickson or Correa Judon as much because what I'm talking about is spending high picks, like round one and two, on a position in this particular draft class that's just stacked. The upcoming draft class is stacked with pass rushers and corners. I'd love to see some combination of like PR/CB/PR or CB/PR/CB. Something like that in the first three rounds. 

I understand the double dip on Pitta and Dickson and where you might consider it, but that was round three and four. At that point, you're not totally expecting a game changer whereas just loading up on first rounders at a given position (the Vikings with corners, Bengals with corners and tackles) is probably going to lead to higher chances of that position having more success than if we spent four fifth round picks on pass rushers.

Does that make sense?

Yeah. I understood it before. I don't mind the idea at all but it's not something you can freely do, either. I'm not sure you're suggesting that, either, btw. We're in an interesting spot because we've invested a lot into pass rusher but not a ton of ROI from them. Judon looks the best right now among Smith, Correa, and Judon--which make up our young talent. Not very promising, honestly, when Suggs and Dumervil are fighting off age and injury. CB is another story since Jimmy is getting up there and we haven't added a young guy across from him except I guess Young. I love Young but we need more there across from Jimmy. I think going PR|CB|CB is a bit more realistic because of what we need. We really are desperate for that one pass rusher. I think if we have to do it we must trade up and be aggressive to get them. 

[PurpleCity5]

9 hours ago, flynismo said:

He played quite poorly before playing us as well. He was solid against us, but other than that, he has not done anything to write home about.

At this moment in time, Bosa is looking like a far better player, and fits a need for us too, so maybe we should change this to trading up for Bosa instead

Exactly, what this secondary needs more than a #2 CB is a pass rush. They just go hand-in-hand, without a pass rush, you're asking the secondary to do too much out there. A guy of Bosa's caliber would solve so many problems that we currently have on defense. 

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, flynismo said:

He played quite poorly before playing us as well. He was solid against us, but other than that, he has not done anything to write home about.

At this moment in time, Bosa is looking like a far better player, and fits a need for us too, so maybe we should change this to trading up for Bosa instead

In this situation what would you think we are giving up to move up to 3? I wasnt a huge fan of Bosa and im never a big fan of trading up especially when LT is a huge need.  If none of the upcoming guys turn into a useful passrusher, we are going to be in trouble in the department, like we are about to be with no Suggs amd Doom

4 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Although I wanted Ramsey and drooled over him for all of last year, I couldn't imagine the current o-line combinations being all I had to look forward too. Unless Monroe whom is currently retired would have out of nowhere had a great year & remained healthy too ( sarcasm ). 

Stanley has looked good when he's played  . 

During the draft the move I questioned the most was trading back and not taking N.Spence, Cravens, M.Alexander or K.Fuller. I wanted any of those 4 before Correa. Especially after Myles jack was off the board.

None of made a huge impact as of yet so nothing can be said there. 

This.  Also add in Yannick Ngaoukoue

[ALPHA]

Unless you have a strong roster to start with you can't rely on a rookie class to bail out the season. In terms of talent we were a .500 team going in to the season and we're .500 right now.

[January J]

7 hours ago, jdynamite said:

Although I wanted Ramsey and drooled over him for all of last year, I couldn't imagine the current o-line combinations being all I had to look forward too. Unless Monroe whom is currently retired would have out of nowhere had a great year & remained healthy too ( sarcasm ). 

Stanley has looked good when he's played  . 

During the draft the move I questioned the most was trading back and not taking N.Spence, Cravens, M.Alexander or K.Fuller. I wanted any of those 4 before Correa. Especially after Myles jack was off the board.

None of made a huge impact as of yet so nothing can be said there. 

I feel the same away. There's usually only a couple of rookies who light the season on fire their first year. Takes about 3-4 years to see the real impact of a particular draft. Not saying you don't already  know that.

[jdynamite]

5 hours ago, January J said:

I feel the same away. There's usually only a couple of rookies who light the season on fire their first year. Takes about 3-4 years to see the real impact of a particular draft. Not saying you don't already  know that.

 

This is so true, but so many fans have unrealistic expectations. 

Also these days fans are way to quick to toss out the bust label on draft picks after just one or two seasons, when they still learning the NFL game, working on technique and skills that aren't properly honed in college.