Rethinking Stanley/Kaufusi and Jalen Ramsey draft deal

[fusuymada]

As defenses continue to embarrass our secondary, I am reminded of the unscripted poll shortly after winning several games as to whether we wanted to keep Stanley/Kaufusi or should we have traded up and gotten Ramsey. The majority at the time chose Stanley/Kaufusi.  In addition, with Webb moving through the secondary like someone's grandmother, I am re-thinking whether trading our first round pick (Stanely) and our third round pick (Kaufusi) for Jalen Ramsey might have been a better decision.  Granted, hindsight is 20-20, but our secondary could have used a playmaker who could have played at either corner or safety and with Hester down, he was also a skilled returner.  I initially wanted Ramsey but got on board after Stanley's first couple games.  However, Stanley has now missed more than half his games and Kaufusi never got onto the field.  At this point in time, where initially I bought into the way Ozzie handled it, the more the season drags on, the more it becomes obvious that Stanley isn't helping, Kaufusi can't help and Ramsey is eating it up as a Jaguar and is sorely missed in our secondary.  If unscripted put it to the poll again, I think the majority would rather have Jalen Ramsey now, I know I do.

Edited October 17, 2016 by fusuymada
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[Drew P]

I was questioning the KC over Mack selection

[Sun Zulu]

I have no problem with the deal if Stanley is healthy. We don't even know what the injury is specifically just that it's a foot. That's real disheartening.

[trevorsteadman]

Offenses*

And you cannot base this off of 6 games. Jalen Ramsey tore his meniscus in the offseason and everybody said thank god we got Stanley. Injuries happen but Stanley was the more durable one. It is unfortunate what also happened to Kaufusi but you cannot even think about which you would have rather had until they have all played a bigger share of games. 6 is too small of a sample size and I love what I have seen from Stanley so far. Look how bad the offensive line looks without him that tells you a lot.

[rmw10]

I still would have gone Ramsey, but that's largely because he was my #1 (de facto after the Tunsil video) in that draft.  If we believed he was the best talent in the draft, I would have made the move.  I still think he's on his way to becoming a superstar.

With that being said, I'm more than happy with Ronnie as well.  Knowing how things played out with Monroe, Stanley obviously made a ton of sense.

Edited October 17, 2016 by rmw10

[flynismo]

Have you seen our OL play?

[rmcjacket23]

So Alex Lewis or James Hurst at LT sounds good to you?

If I were to rank the issues with this team, the secondary falls way, way, way below the offensive line.

The secondary isn't even the biggest concern on the defense by any stretch.

Seems like an overreaction to one game to me.

[allblackraven]

13 minutes ago, Sun Zulu said:

I have no problem with the deal if Stanley is healthy. We don't even know what the injury is specifically just that it's a foot. That's real disheartening.

He is healthy - he just injured that foot.

[usmccharles]

Considering we wouldn't have a LT,  I'm more than OK with the pick,  actually happy.   Now,  since Stanley is injured it gives people more ammo for these discussions.  If anything,  the KC pick is the one I'm not happy about.  

[jboy19]

At this point I'm sticking with Stanley over Ramsey. Wasn't big on Kaufusi, but still want to see what we get from him. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Ok - Ill rethink it.

Thought about it. And still ok with it.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm OK with this pick because you have to protect the franchise QB and I don't think there's a coincidence that we started losing games when we didn't have Stanley at LT. In fact, we are 3-0 with Stanley at LT. In this case, it was the right move. That 2nd round pick, however, isn't looking good and we should've traded up from our 2nd like many here hoped and got a guy who slid. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

It's this point in every season that I love.

Everyones panicked. The sky is falling. And everyone in their brilliance starts looking back over the past 6 months or so and tries to identify "that one thing".... that ONE THING, where if we had just done it differently - all would be well!

 

Well, there isnt that one thing. Its been a long list of things... the same long list that most teams deal with. You either overcome or you dont.

Everyone wants to question Harbs decisions to be aggressive. But, guaranteed if we're kicking FGs there, and those complaining saw Tomlin telling Pitts offense to go punch it in with success it'd be all "Harbs needs to go - see, other organizations are aggressive. We need a coach who's confident!!"

 

We're banged up bad again. We're 3-3. We've been 3-3 before and rebounded big time. We're 1 behind, the division lead. No need to go changing every foundational piece of the organization to try and right one of these 3 losses. They happened - and largely due to penalties and injuries. That ish happens man.

 

For the past 2-3 years its been all about how the Bengals have far surpassed us and have been out drafting us. How's that working out? Pitt is supposedly so much better than us. Except now their QB is down AGAIN. Woo hoo if you think he's better than Flacco. They only get him for 12 games/season. Theyre gonna lose to the Pats and we're gonna beat the Jets.

 

And then we're tied for the division lead again, going into the bye where we come out playing Pitt and can expand that lead big time. We got 2 weeks to heal up, and then push the 2nd half of the season.

 

Im getting tired of all these dumb threads so im prob checking out for a while. Too many trolls and fair weather fans checking in. A lot of you - those who arent included in the "a lot" know who im talking about - but you guys ruin football. At least your ruin baltimore football. Go root for the Pats please. Or GB, or Seattle, or something like that. Please.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm OK with this pick because you have to protect the franchise QB and I don't think there's a coincidence that we started losing games when we didn't have Stanley at LT. In fact, we are 3-0 with Stanley at LT. In this case, it was the right move. That 2nd round pick, however, isn't looking good and we should've traded up from our 2nd like many here hoped and got a guy who slid. 

[-Truth-]

Too early to tell at this point. It'd be a better point to make if Ramsey was having an outstanding season, but he's mostly in the middle of the pack at this point. This of course could change, but that bring me back to the original point. We're just over a handful of games into these players' careers, and Stanley's been injured for half of them with Kaufusi not being able to play any. It's not a fair assessment to make until we at least see what Kaufusi is capable of.

[Tru11]

To early to tell but the more games Stanley will be missing the more ill be leaning towards making the trade.....

[January J]

Stanley misses 3 games- we lose 3 in a row. He is very much needed. And he will only get better with time.

[gtalk12]

as you can see, without Stanly playing Flacco has been on the ground a lot.

 

we play very well defensively without Ramsey as fun as he would be here for us. Flacco needs to be protected

[gtalk12]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

To early to tell but the more games Stanley will be missing the more ill be leaning towards making the trade.....

why? do you see how bad our offensive line is? what would Ramsey do for us?

 

maybe if they kept KO then sure

[TurkishRaven]

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So Alex Lewis or James Hurst at LT sounds good to you?

If I were to rank the issues with this team, the secondary falls way, way, way below the offensive line.

The secondary isn't even the biggest concern on the defense by any stretch.

Seems like an overreaction to one game to me.

 

Yes, I would put pass rush before secondary. 

[Cillmatic]

Anyone who would rather have Ramsey over Stanley after seeing how TERRIBLE the O-line is without him is just an idiot. We have a QB fresh off of ACL and MCL surgery and you'd rather have ANOTHER good CB over a franchise LT. Some people on this forum just don't get it.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Cillmatic

[redrum52]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I still would have gone Ramsey, but that's largely because he was my #1 (de facto after the Tunsil video) in that draft.  If we believed he was the best talent in the draft, I would have made the move.  I still think he's on his way to becoming a superstar.

With that being said, I'm more than happy with Ronnie as well.  Knowing how things played out with Monroe, Stanley obviously made a ton of sense.

This is how I felt.  Also said we should've traded up for Peters.  Can't just keep settling each year.  Depth is great, but when you have the chance for impact players take em.  Regardless I think Stanley pans out, but Ramsey might have made the difference between a w and a L in some of these games.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

This is how I felt.  Also said we should've traded up for Peters.  Can't just keep settling each year.  Depth is great, but when you have the chance for impact players take em.  Regardless I think Stanley pans out, but Ramsey might have made the difference between a w and a L in some of these games.

Depth or lack thereof has certainly made a difference between a W and an L multiple times this year already.

He's still a rookie corner. The difference might have been him costing a game.

[redrum52]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Depth or lack thereof has certainly made a difference between a W and an L multiple times this year already.

He's still a rookie corner. The difference might have been him costing a game.

I never said how.  Some of the wins might have been losses and losses wins.  My main thing is, it seems the FO is usually to cheap to move up for an impact player, offense or defense.  If there is someone at the very top of your board and you have the chance to grab him, I think you should make the move, but I'm just a fan.  I know own if have no insight for what they're thinking, but it seems Ramsey was up there for them. 

[ravensnj]

When you have the opportunity to draft that high, you go Left tackle. It's a no brainier! Now, when you are 5-11, you don't go for reaches with your 2nd and 3rd round picks. You go quality, established college players who can come in and contribute immediately.  Kinda, like taking the easy points (field goals) in a football game and not gambling the game away , only to hope for a fourth quarter comeback.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I never said how.  Some of the wins might have been losses and losses wins.  My main thing is, it seems the FO is usually to cheap to move up for an impact player, offense or defense.  If there is someone at the very top of your board and you have the chance to grab him, I think you should make the move, but I'm just a fan.  I know own if have no insight for what they're thinking, but it seems Ramsey was up there for them. 

I'd rather get a player who van protect my most valuable asset.

We know we can win without great or even good corners. We're also pretty sure we can't win without at least a decent offensive line.

[sflegend89]

I banged my fist about trading whatever it takes to secure Ramsey, you can go back and look at my posts. We were in striking distance and likely just needed to surrender a few mid round picks to move up a couple spots.

But as usual lately we go for quantity over quality. I like Stanley, but Ramsey was the best player in the entire draft and that was clear as day to me. I said we dropped the ball on draft night and I still think we did now. Our drafts have been meh lately outside of 2014 and thats only because it was a loaded class. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by sflegend89

[FlocksGottaFeed]

LT are always the priority. In addition, after seeing Ramsey's post game interview after SSS basically owned him and his lack of humility to that point - let's say - I'm not a fan. Ramsey's current ranking among defensive backs #95 - Shareece Wright #68.

We're good.

[Tank 92]

Is this really a topic?  

[K-Dog]

5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Ok - Ill rethink it.

Thought about it. And still ok with it.

Yup.

This thread would not exist if he played the past two weeks ( three ? )