[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. New York Giants

[20306cab]

Harbaugh's psychobehavioral fallacy.
That's how this stretch [these two years, plus the next couple] will go down in history.

To think that goodnatured, square, solid guys can be taught to be champions is a myth - like thinking that any very good horse that doesn't throw you out of the saddle can be taught to win the Preakness.

This causes two things:
1. We draft less gifted/talented players
2. We ask too much of them - hence the injuries

[though I still think the trainers should try something, anything: gyrokinesis, crosscountry skiing, shamanic dances, mindfulness, MMA, scubadiving... herbal teas... it can't get much worse than this!]

"Genius and unruliness", we say in Italian, go together. Embrace that.

Well, WE used to say "Godliness and cleanliness" go together. Don't think either saying can help this brittle group. How 'bout a daily "Sham Wow" massage?

[terpmaniac]

  11 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

I'm sorry but Joe Flacco is our Tony Romo let Mallet start and we will win this Sunday and more! Look at them cowboys now and that can be us but it will be the same old pointing fingers at everyone else but Joe! I'm sorry I really like Joe but it is what it is! If we don't win Sunday it's time for a change!

You're close. Far Below Average Joe is not, and has never been anything close to Romo. And it was time for a change three weeks ago.

Romo has one ONE PLAYOFF WIN! ONE! JOE HAS 10...Do the freakin math.

[thegooddoc456]

Harbaugh's psychobehavioral fallacy.
That's how this stretch [these two years, plus the next couple] will go down in history.

To think that goodnatured, square, solid guys can be taught to be champions is a myth - like thinking that any very good horse that doesn't throw you out of the saddle can be taught to win the Preakness.

This causes two things:
1. We draft less gifted/talented players
2. We ask too much of them - hence the injuries

[though I still think the trainers should try something, anything: gyrokinesis, crosscountry skiing, shamanic dances, mindfulness, MMA, scubadiving... herbal teas... it can't get much worse than this!]

"Genius and unruliness", we say in Italian, go together. Embrace that.

Somebody get this man some Dos Equis!! Harbaugh is a fraud.

[PalmBayRaven]

I see alot of improvement with this OC. I saw we threw the ball downfield that when it doesn't always mean a completion, we saw Perriman go up and get one, we saw Wallace grab one, and we saw some PI calls, so I don't think it was a total loss. We also ran alot more, at least in attempts and had stretches of success. However, I feel there is only one important point to this whole game. Flacco.

What is it with him? I have said it before here and on twitter, "cool" shouldn't be mistaken for lack of effort. When you are at the end of the game, and everyone is hustling and the QB just walks up to the line like he has all the time in the world, its a problem. Then just zones out and doesn't even look at the play clock. I know he knows how to, and can run, his knee is fixed, so I don't get the lack of effort, not only at the end of the game, but during the game as well. He looks like he would rather be somewhere else and is playing like it. Just totally oblivious to the fact that Wallace was out on the right with no one on him for 20 yards and we only needed 25 for a TD. Had he not overthrown him, it would have been a first down on the 3 or 4. Same with the bloop over the top throw he made with Wallace and Pitta both behind their defenders and he lobbed it 50 feet in the air, nowhere near them. Flacco got Trestman fired with his lack of effort, if I am Harbaugh, I am realizing that I am next if someone doesn't light a fire under Flacco. Perhaps a little effort might help him with his inconsistency as well. Since Flacco's knee injury he is almost acting like that is his excuse for not trying to avoid a rush, or not move faster than a snail.

At this point in time, with the line issues we have we need a mobile QB. Of course, Tyrod is gone, and when we had the chance to secure Josh Johnson, who would fit in real nice right now, we decided Ryan Mallett of all people is a good backup for Joe.

I am all for sitting Flacco the next time he goes through on of his inconsistent, pouting fits. The end of the game reminded me of when Cameron used to run a wildcat and Flacco would just stand out there with his hands on his hips. When questioned he said it was "Harry High-School" stuff. Maybe he needs to sit some plays, run some wildcat or bring Mallett in for a couple plays. Joe needs something to get him motivated. For the money he is making I expect a whole lot more than we are getting and if we aren't getting it, then lets get someone else in there.

I agree Joe needs to either play better or sit. How long will we have to endure his bad performances?

[Ugly Ball]

law215,

Couple things...

As far as drafting going down hill. Whether you believe it or not. Im 1 who believes drafting has gone down hill, just like roster talent with the more power&influence Harbaugh gets. He wants "Yes Men" Nice Guys not alpha dogs. And while media will defend him by saying Smithsr,Sizzle are Alphas. Yeah but they wont ruffle any feathers either they are good characters.
Years past Ozzie would draft a Chris McAlister shutdown CB but a knucklehead because his talent was too much to overpass, he wouldve went and got a Noah Spence last year with similar backage but instead he went with 2 lower ceiling(Correa,Koufusi) higher character guys..thats all John Harbaugh.

You dont win with Character Nice guys. You win with Talented guys, Alpha dogs.
No matter what anybdy says..Ozzie didnt forget how to draft...its just Harbaugh gainec influence and put more emphasis on character

I agree totally!
Harbaugh has a very hard time with anyone that's not a high character guy. Puts them in his doghouse at the teams expense.
McKinney 2012, comes to mind. They got rid of Monroe a year too early, leaving a rookie to start at the hardest O-line position, eating a couple million in salary cap, mostly because Monroe was talking too much about legalizing pot for players!

You can see right through Harbs' lies, when his ego gets hurt too.

Not taking responsibility for his own mistakes, then calling out players for spacific plays, will be the beginning of the end !
When you start losing the respect of high character guys, you don't have much left ...!

[Militant X 1]

On 10/16/2016 at 8:09 PM, whobilly said:

1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi, 3 Mississippi, 4 Mississippi, 5 Mississippi, 6 Mississippi, 7 Mississippi, 8 Mississippi, Eli eating a sandwich, he looks, he takes a sip of Gatorade, he throws, pass complete. Only one thought needed. WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I've been saying this over and over....."The Ravens are not as good as we think they are, or as we'd like them to be!"  

[OUravensfan]

Pass rush and O line have been dreadful

[utalkingtome123]

  On October 16, 2016 at 8:44 PM, law215 said:

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

I think Jimmy Smith has looked pretty darn good this season outside of the touchdown he allowed last week. He had Beckham shut down up until he left the game. Hes not the problem lol 

Yea Jimmy has been good but he's not a #1 corner in my opinion. He needs a Marcus Peters or atleast a Josh Norman next to him.

[utalkingtome123]

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

I agree with everything your saying. We are still living in the early 2000s and look blindly at the changing of the league. We have too much pride for some reason.

[RavenBoy973]

I've been a Raven fan for 10 plus years... I've seen us make great moves and bad ones..... I can tell you this... Ladarius Webb is no REAL SAFETY...... He is getting run around every week.... As a safety you supposed to keep the back safe as well as make WR fear you... Regardless if your corner gets beat. Communication is key!! and we just need to get back to the fundamentals... Shareece Wright..... is doing a Horrible job right now... He is more of a slot CB he is not ready to be on his own island.......... Joe Haden was up for Trades...... Tavon Young is getting better every week... Jimmy is playing Hardcore Defense. Eric Weddle is holding the torch right now... We need another safety... If Will Hill was not suspended we could've utilized him back there and put Webb back as a CB because I know Webb would've had interceptions by now. Hopefully Elam can come back and do SOMETHING.

[RavenBoy973]

  On ‎10‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 4:52 PM, Jonah DeVito said:

  On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 8:44 PM, law215 said:

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

I think Jimmy Smith has looked pretty darn good this season outside of the touchdown he allowed last week. He had Beckham shut down up until he left the game. Hes not the problem lol 

Yea Jimmy has been good but he's not a #1 corner in my opinion. He needs a Marcus Peters or atleast a Josh Norman next to him.

or Joe Haden! Browns was willing to trade anybody except Terrell Pryor