[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. New York Giants

[20306cab]

I'm sorry but Joe Flacco is our Tony Romo let Mallet start and we will win this Sunday and more! Look at them cowboys now and that can be us but it will be the same old pointing fingers at everyone else but Joe! I'm sorry I really like Joe but it is what it is! If we don't win Sunday it's time for a change!

You're close. Far Below Average Joe is not, and has never been anything close to Romo. And it was time for a change three weeks ago.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Lol... coming back to this board after a loss always makes me so much happier about my life. The loss was devastating. I didnt talk to anyone last night. But, man, there are some special people here. Thanks for the Monday morning pick up you guys!

[DaRupp]

I think it's time to blow the team up. I'm not saying that out of frustration, I'm saying that based on what I'm seeing. You keep about 7 players, Flacco (he's still better than most other starters out there), Yanda, Zuttah, Mosley, Weddle, Jernigan, Brandon Williams, maybe Perriman, maybe Jimmy Smith (maybe). Scrap everyone else.

We aren't close to being good. We are mediocre at too many positions. It's not like that year where we lost the heart breaker to NE in the division game. We were a solid secondary away, maybe even a healthy Jimmy Smith.

This team has holes in every position. It's time to blow it up, a solid draft with current picks won't work, it's called trade players for draft picks, and expect to be bad for 2 years.

[barneslc@sbcglobal.net]

HARBAUGH NEEDS TO START PLAYING THE PERCENTAGES! Everyone loves and respects a coach that goes for it sometimes, but John has been taking too many risks. If the Ravens take get the FG and take the points, they end up winning that game by 2! Sure! If they get in, he's a hero. But lately the risks have not paid off so just get the damn points. With the schedule the Ravens have this year, they should be 6-0 atop the AFC right now.

[fusuymada]

I see alot of improvement with this OC. I saw we threw the ball downfield that when it doesn't always mean a completion, we saw Perriman go up and get one, we saw Wallace grab one, and we saw some PI calls, so I don't think it was a total loss. We also ran alot more, at least in attempts and had stretches of success. However, I feel there is only one important point to this whole game. Flacco.

What is it with him? I have said it before here and on twitter, "cool" shouldn't be mistaken for lack of effort. When you are at the end of the game, and everyone is hustling and the QB just walks up to the line like he has all the time in the world, its a problem. Then just zones out and doesn't even look at the play clock. I know he knows how to, and can run, his knee is fixed, so I don't get the lack of effort, not only at the end of the game, but during the game as well. He looks like he would rather be somewhere else and is playing like it. Just totally oblivious to the fact that Wallace was out on the right with no one on him for 20 yards and we only needed 25 for a TD. Had he not overthrown him, it would have been a first down on the 3 or 4. Same with the bloop over the top throw he made with Wallace and Pitta both behind their defenders and he lobbed it 50 feet in the air, nowhere near them. Flacco got Trestman fired with his lack of effort, if I am Harbaugh, I am realizing that I am next if someone doesn't light a fire under Flacco. Perhaps a little effort might help him with his inconsistency as well. Since Flacco's knee injury he is almost acting like that is his excuse for not trying to avoid a rush, or not move faster than a snail.

At this point in time, with the line issues we have we need a mobile QB. Of course, Tyrod is gone, and when we had the chance to secure Josh Johnson, who would fit in real nice right now, we decided Ryan Mallett of all people is a good backup for Joe.

I am all for sitting Flacco the next time he goes through on of his inconsistent, pouting fits. The end of the game reminded me of when Cameron used to run a wildcat and Flacco would just stand out there with his hands on his hips. When questioned he said it was "Harry High-School" stuff. Maybe he needs to sit some plays, run some wildcat or bring Mallett in for a couple plays. Joe needs something to get him motivated. For the money he is making I expect a whole lot more than we are getting and if we aren't getting it, then lets get someone else in there.

[fusuymada]

  1 hour ago, slowboater said:

  2 hours ago, BigUgly said:

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

My head hurts just trying to understand what this means and how you came up with it. Ozzie is ultimately responsible for the draft. Yes Harbs gets credit for a SB. So does Flacco. The former, in going for it on 4th down again, conceivably lost the game for the second straight week. The latter is working on getting our new OC fired.

Actually, ridiculous calls in THREE straight games, cost these losses.

actually, if we hadn't gone for it on fourth it would have only resulted in a field goal and three points, that wouldn't have assured a victory by kicking the field goal, we lost by 4. The other two games, yes, I give you that the HC decisions lost the game, but this last game actually proved he should have gone for it because at the end we needed the 7 not 3. It was a horrible play call to run a sweep but the decision to go for it was a good sound decision. Personally, I thought a fake run up the gut with Joe rolling out and two tight ends running a shallow and a deep route in the endzone would have been better and if we fooled them, Flacco could have run it in. With as little movement as Joe showed all day, no way the Giants would have thought Flacco would bootleg. Instead we get a straight toss when our O-Line consisted of 4 players who didn't start in those positions at the beginning of the year and were getting pushed back all day. I give Marty a B- for his day, but he did miss that one big time.

[SUGGStobeDUMED]

Lol... coming back to this board after a loss always makes me so much happier about my life. The loss was devastating. I didnt talk to anyone last night. But, man, there are some special people here. Thanks for the Monday morning pick up you guys!

Haha Whew! I thought I was the only one missing that the sky was falling or something.

This still looks like a 10-6 team.

[griffrb]

Well, it's said we won't know about this team until after 4-6 games. Bottom line up front: We've got a myriad of issues with this team that's been put together and possibly within the organization. There's some insanity surrounding this team and you know how they define insanity. I do know this, we as fans care too much. I will DVR the games and go enjoy the Sunday afternoons on the golf course. But still, "Go Ravens!"

[Nexttime]

Would it be so bad if the next fourth and two inside the 20 Flacco takes a delay of game? Its not like he will get fired, he just signed the big contract.

[Nexttime]

Speaking of the fourth quarter, what have the last six years of drafts 1st, 2nd, 3rd round, 18 picks provided? Only Breshad Perriman, Timmy Jernigan, and Brandon Williams were on the field to help the offense or defense in the fourth quarter. None of those three were key to a big play.

That is a significant big time surprise to what was once the Raven's Achilles heel.

[BBYERS]

Is it too early to talk about head coaching change, front office changes. Week in ,week out we are starting to look like the Orioles. I have liked Harbaugh and Ozzie, but at some point you need to say enough is enough. Injuries, Draft decisions, OC and DC coaching, who's ultimately in charge of making these decisions and to bring this team together. Just Sayin.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Where was the pass rush? And when Suggs finally got to Eli he ended up tearing his bicep...

I can sense major frustration from Flacco towards his receivers. There were too many dropped balls hitting guys in their hands and just not catching the damn ball. Then Flacco throwing the ball 10 feet over a wide open Wallace, then our new OC calls the same play like he was playing Madden.

Our OL his atrocious

Jimmy, it's 4th and 5 - please tell me why you are playing 15 yards off the line of scrimmage and not jamming the receiver at the line? THEN, once Jimmy went out our secondary looked pathetic. We put Young on OBJ on 4th and 1 and he and Weddle get caught up on a pick route then Webb gets caught flat footed and OBJ runs it in from 66 yards - ARE YOU SERIOUS RIGHT NOW?!?!?!

Oh, almost forgot. I thought Trestman was fired last week. Sure looked like he was still calling the plays!! 48 passing attemps 26 rushing attempts - that's not balance!!

Hey Harbs, do you think now after 3 weeks you've learned to just put the points on the board and take what the defense gives you or are you going to keep coaching with your ego???

[stampedehero]

That game was a classic GIANTS replay.  We would rather not see this again.  We had a lead, lost it, gained it at the near end and then lost to Manning/Beckham with less than a minute left.  It looked like Webb forgot to tackle and would rather escort Beckham into the end zone.  That play made us look pathetic.  Opportunities were never ours.  I was shocked the Steelers lost to MIAMI! The Bengals lost too?! We are lucky only due to the fact our rivals lost. We couldn't capture the lucky breaks in the last three games.  

We always let the opposition hang around so they can hang a noose around our teams' neck.  If we lose to the Jets; which is probable,  I would not be surprised.    

There is no karma to carry on and complete games. If I was a fan of our opposition I would not fear the Ravens but think we always have a chance due to their misfortunes..

[CQ1]

You can keep adding spices to the chicked "salad'.....but as long as it has chicken-- in it- it will always taste like chicken--. Who wants to win this division? Lets keep stirrin it up. Next ? Flacco- regardless of his contract.(To miss a wide open side line target, plus, to get a delay of game penalty- all on the last drive, is absolutely ridiculious. But I'm sure- worse than that- will be the front office sticking with him. Next?

[smalljaws]

Ugly losses on top of ugly wins has one questioning the makeup of this team.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Lol... coming back to this board after a loss always makes me so much happier about my life. The loss was devastating. I didnt talk to anyone last night. But, man, there are some special people here. Thanks for the Monday morning pick up you guys!

Oh you are so right. Really a lot of rah rah fans on here. I love this site after a loss. Makes my day lol.

[DBsRAVENS]

law215,

Couple things...

As far as drafting going down hill. Whether you believe it or not. Im 1 who believes drafting has gone down hill, just like roster talent with the more power&influence Harbaugh gets. He wants "Yes Men" Nice Guys not alpha dogs. And while media will defend him by saying Smithsr,Sizzle are Alphas. Yeah but they wont ruffle any feathers either they are good characters.
Years past Ozzie would draft a Chris McAlister shutdown CB but a knucklehead because his talent was too much to overpass, he wouldve went and got a Noah Spence last year with similar backage but instead he went with 2 lower ceiling(Correa,Koufusi) higher character guys..thats all John Harbaugh.

You dont win with Character Nice guys. You win with Talented guys, Alpha dogs.
No matter what anybdy says..Ozzie didnt forget how to draft...its just Harbaugh gainec influence and put more emphasis on character

Dude you definitely live up to your name! I've said this since the drafts after the Super Bowl win. They have not been drafts with Ozzie's finger prints on them but more of Harbaughs.

[DBsRAVENS]

  14 hours ago, metalraven said:

  15 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Wonder if they'll draft another super duper, fast as lightening receiver who can barely catch, and despite the speed, not get separation.

Oh I'm sure they will find one. Perriman is 1000% bust way too much hype for him on this web site

Speaking of hype, start with the beloved "Juice". What a wasted roster spot.

[DBsRAVENS]

I know fans are fustrated, but no reason to throw in the towel yet. We sit at 3-3, which means there is plenty of time to get it together. But here is my take:

I'm still an ample believer in Flacco, but too many times he overthrow receivers. There has to be better QB play. But then when you look at the O-Line, you can see why he is playing that way. 

Yes, Haubaugh has made some not-so-good coaching calls, but he is still one of the best coaches in the NFL. The only decision that I do not agree with is the week against the raiders when he accepted the penalty to repeat 3rd down instead of letting Jankowski kick on 4th. But today, I would've went for it on 4th too. We needed to get ahead big before Eli got it going.

I'm still not a Dean Pees fan. Our Defense lack that "create chaos" factor that we've had when Rex and Pagano was our Defense coordinators.  There is no confusing the offense, pressing at the line in short down situations, and no crazy blitzes to throw off the opposing QB. 

Perriman is NOT a bust. Please do not forget, this is his first full season. At one point, in the the preseason, everyone was saying the same thing about Torrey Smith when he kept dropping passes. He just needs to hit the jug machine more and work on his hands like Torrey Smith did. Perriman shows his big play catching ability week after week. He will be a good one. 

Flacco sometime seems as if he does not have his heart into football and Flacco has to take control at the line. Far too many times, Flacco will hurry up and hike the ball instead of helping the line point out potential blitzers and analyzing potential holes in the coverage. When you look at guys like Brady, Rivers, Rothlisberger, and even Matt Ryan, they will talk and communicate with the line and recievers. Thats why each one of them have very good recievers. If he could build a Bff relationship with a reciever like he has with Pitta we would be much better.

Other notes:

Alex lewis do not look good at LT, he plays good at guard, but LT is not looking good for him.

Webb is good at S, but needs to work on his communication with the other DB's.

Zach Orr is definitely a bright spot

Build a bff with your WRs like you have with one TE... Dude that was your drop the mic moment.

[DBsRAVENS]

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

You think...?

[Purple Dawg 96]

I got issues with Joe on these games but I'm not giving up on my Squad no matter what! Will be at the same sports bar in C Town with my Squeeler Buffalo and Browns fans going hard as usual! I'm a Raven no matter what The Good The Bad and The Ugly! We still can get a spot so LETS GO! WE THE BEST!

[BigUgly]

  8 hours ago, BigUgly said:

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

You think...?

Trying to think of the last real playmaker we drafted. Maybe the oft-injured Jimmy Smith in 2011 (which also had Tyrod Taylor - a playmaker for the Bills and Torrey Smith), or Dennis Pitta in 2010.

[haarvik]

Isn't Harbs favorite saying by committee or next man up? Tired of watching Flacco give games away. Misses wide open receivers, constantly gets sacked on 3rd and long because he refuses to toss the ball away. And what's with the casual walk to the line of scrimmage with 48 seconds left a no time outs??? Pathetic. Like normal Ravens fashion, start the game on fire and come out of halftime forgetting how to play football! We should have had their defense worn out!

[Vitalvicious]

One thought... we suck! We have one "true" win and that was against Buffalo! Go get a secondary PLEASE. I refuse to watch another game this yr. You already know what the outcome will be; take a lead into the 4th qt, secondary find a way to lose the game. It's gotten quite old.

[Vitalvicious]

I think it's time to blow the team up. I'm not saying that out of frustration, I'm saying that based on what I'm seeing. You keep about 7 players, Flacco (he's still better than most other starters out there), Yanda, Zuttah, Mosley, Weddle, Jernigan, Brandon Williams, maybe Perriman, maybe Jimmy Smith (maybe). Scrap everyone else.

We aren't close to being good. We are mediocre at too many positions. It's not like that year where we lost the heart breaker to NE in the division game. We were a solid secondary away, maybe even a healthy Jimmy Smith.

This team has holes in every position. It's time to blow it up, a solid draft with current picks won't work, it's called trade players for draft picks, and expect to be bad for 2 years.

I agree 100% that entire secondary can take a hike! It's so frustrating watching this team.

[Jonah DeVito]

20 hours ago, law215 said:

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

I think Jimmy Smith has looked pretty darn good this season outside of the touchdown he allowed last week. He had Beckham shut down up until he left the game. Hes not the problem lol 

[BigUgly]

  7 hours ago, DaRupp said:

I think it's time to blow the team up. I'm not saying that out of frustration, I'm saying that based on what I'm seeing. You keep about 7 players, Flacco (he's still better than most other starters out there), Yanda, Zuttah, Mosley, Weddle, Jernigan, Brandon Williams, maybe Perriman, maybe Jimmy Smith (maybe). Scrap everyone else.

We aren't close to being good. We are mediocre at too many positions. It's not like that year where we lost the heart breaker to NE in the division game. We were a solid secondary away, maybe even a healthy Jimmy Smith.

This team has holes in every position. It's time to blow it up, a solid draft with current picks won't work, it's called trade players for draft picks, and expect to be bad for 2 years.

I agree 100% that entire secondary can take a hike! It's so frustrating watching this team.

Really too cap constrained, and will be for some time, to really "blow up" the roster. We will have to rely on the draft and take some fliers on some middle-of-road, tail-end-of their-career free agents for the foreseeable future.

[PalmBayRaven]

Isn't Harbs favorite saying by committee or next man up? Tired of watching Flacco give games away. Misses wide open receivers, constantly gets sacked on 3rd and long because he refuses to toss the ball away. And what's with the casual walk to the line of scrimmage with 48 seconds left a no time outs??? Pathetic. Like normal Ravens fashion, start the game on fire and come out of halftime forgetting how to play football! We should have had their defense worn out!

You forgot to mention Flacco's 2 Delay of Game penalties, Zero's in on Pitta when West is wide open and easier throw.

[Tower of Power]

Harbaugh's psychobehavioral fallacy.
That's how this stretch [these two years, plus the next couple] will go down in history.

To think that goodnatured, square, solid guys can be taught to be champions is a myth - like thinking that any very good horse that doesn't throw you out of the saddle can be taught to win the Preakness.

This causes two things:
1. We draft less gifted/talented players
2. We ask too much of them - hence the injuries

[though I still think the trainers should try something, anything: gyrokinesis, crosscountry skiing, shamanic dances, mindfulness, MMA, scubadiving... herbal teas... it can't get much worse than this!]

"Genius and unruliness", we say in Italian, go together. Embrace that.

[gtalk12]

even if this ends up being a losing season, based on what I've seen I'd say another solid draft where we get younger and fast and we are going to be good. I think we are good now, but too much pressure is being applied in certain area. We are not as deep in certain positions as we would like to be and a lot of our bigger named guys are injured and old. Suggs and Doom produced almost all our sacks a couple of years ago and because of injuries they are nowhere to be seen.

 

That being said, Suggs has sacked opposing QB's this year so far...even if it was more of a coverage sack then anything else. Anybody notice he's jumped early to try and get to the QB?