[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. New York Giants

[law215]

Giants coaching staff made adjustment and the Ravens staff did not.

On offense, the Ravens were stuffing them early then they went to a hurry-up offense, they continued to take shots down the field with their best guy by moving him around.

On defense, they realized their 4 linemen was not getting to Flacco so they sent CB blitzes. When they got beat they faked and tried to keep safety over the top..

The Ravens on the other hand, knowing there line is banged up, continue to pass the ball. Even when near goal line , they are passing the ball. No Hurry up and no commitment to running. 25 runs 48 pass. When you have that distribution in a one score game and an injured o-line, that's just stupid coaching.

[drillem]

When teams falter 2 years in a row heads roll. In most cases Harbs would already be gone. This team tends to be loyal to a fault and suffers as a result. Coaches do lose their edge, their drive and get burned out. It happens to many. I wish it weren't so.

[verified]

When teams falter 2 years in a row heads roll. In most cases Harbs would already be gone. This team tends to be loyal to a fault and suffers as a result. Coaches do lose their edge, their drive and get burned out. It happens to many. I wish it weren't so.

Its a lack of talent. Ozzie who thinks he out smarts everyone in the draft is really taking the trash players that no one else wants and it shows. How we havent been able to get flacco a WR that can play and not just run go routes. Starting the 2 rookies on the oline back fired cause they got injured early and there went the oline up in flames

[RaRaRavens]

There are so many different things going wrong in different games, but one thing that has been strikingly similar for couple of seasons now is the lack of talent and difference makers at a multitude of positions.

Here are the most evident: 1) We don't have a starting caliber WR outside of SSS. 2) We have virtually no pass rush now that Suggs and Doom are at the tail end of their careers and no successors in sight. 3) We don't have DBs, mainly we are missing adequate FS and 1st string CB. 4) We have 1,5 solid O-linemen in Yanda and maybe Stanley, if he can stay on the field.

The sad thing is, this list is getting longer and longer every season. SSS will probably be gone after this year. If we can't retain Brandon Williams and Jernigan in the coming offseasons (which will most likely happen), we don't have starters on D-line. Suggs and Doom should have been grooming their young talented successors already last year, instead we have no solution in sight. And if we botch another season and the injuries continue, I would not be surprised to see at least one of those guys retiring after this year.

We have drafted a plethora of young talented players with seemingly high ceilings, yet they seem to develop slowly and below par expectation wise. Think Elam, Brown, Gradkowski, Thompson, Jackson, Lewis-Moore, Brooks, Urban, Wagner, etc., who should have been the next young generation of difference makers. None of them has turned out to be a great starter in the NFL.

I do not know why this is so (bad coaching? bad drafting? lazy players?), but the fact of the matter is, our franchise players are getting old and losing their edge, while young guys aren't picking up the mantle. This can't be changed overnight and, unfortunately, if that trend won't change, we'll be in for many many loooong years to come with no winning record in sight.

Edited October 17, 2016 by RaRaRavens

[Tower of Power]

3 points, in the close games we play, are a lot of points: will someone let Harbaugh know? And, maybe, remind him he has the best kicker in the league? Was he in Detroit, back when we won some games, or where?

[n#7]

  3 hours ago, n#7 said:

  4 hours ago, Hardhitters said:

Harbaugh: In the beginning he was winning with Billick's draft class and veterans, as well as was handed Flacco (Only piece Billick was missing) and Ray Rice and went on to win the bowl. Once Harbaugh cleared out Billick's guys and got rid of the other hard nose players, we only drafted "safe players" and had a history of being very unsatisfied with the coordinators. The common factor is that 85-90% of the things we don't like is a direct product of Harbaugh's team direction. It's time we go in a new direction because every single game is exactly the same, we barely win, we barely lose. It's becoming very insane to expect anything different from a Harbaugh lead team.

The draft in the last few years has been a weak spot for the R's. Add to that most of the so called impact players are now in their 30's and well on the way to retirement. A Coach can only go with what's given to him by the FO which try's to keep plugging holes with older, named players who have seen their better days. They may shortly have to come to the realization that a rebuilding project is in the immediate future and that would be better accomplished by a change in the FO.

So you think during the draft and before hand that Harbaugh is in never never land making no decisions on which players he wants to coach out of the gathered talent the FO presents to him.... If that's the case that's another reason he should be gone, he can't be counted on to help bring the right players in. But that's not the case, these weak draft classes are people he signed off on.

No he's not in never, never land but one can be assured he's not the final say whom gets drafted and the top priority thereof. He's just one cog in the final determination and his job description is to coach the team and not be the final determinative factor at all. That's the job of the FO and while they may seek his advice he'll be overruled in a heartbeat if the FO is enamored with someone. Also, once again, the holes they're filling with over the hill players lies squarely with the FO, period. He's even stated on more than one occasion that he's given the players to work with and his job is to try and make the best out of it. When you have a 37 yr old WR who is obviously hurt and at the end of his playing days and 30 something LB's who either can't pressure the QB or can't even get on the field, as is with case of Elvis, that falls on the FO. Now Satnley's hurt: that BYU fella is out for the year; Perriman is not living up to all the hype; and the lack of depth is, once again this year, all too apparent. That is not the fault of the coach but the FO. He may take the hit for this but he'll be hired by someone else in a football minute. It's highly doubtful any replacement will do any better unless there's a change in philosophy.

[Edreedbest20]

I know fans are fustrated, but no reason to throw in the towel yet. We sit at 3-3, which means there is plenty of time to get it together. But here is my take:

I'm still an ample believer in Flacco, but too many times he overthrow receivers. There has to be better QB play. But then when you look at the O-Line, you can see why he is playing that way. 

Yes, Haubaugh has made some not-so-good coaching calls, but he is still one of the best coaches in the NFL. The only decision that I do not agree with is the week against the raiders when he accepted the penalty to repeat 3rd down instead of letting Jankowski kick on 4th. But today, I would've went for it on 4th too. We needed to get ahead big before Eli got it going.

I'm still not a Dean Pees fan. Our Defense lack that "create chaos" factor that we've had when Rex and Pagano was our Defense coordinators.  There is no confusing the offense, pressing at the line in short down situations, and no crazy blitzes to throw off the opposing QB. 

Perriman is NOT a bust. Please do not forget, this is his first full season. At one point, in the the preseason, everyone was saying the same thing about Torrey Smith when he kept dropping passes. He just needs to hit the jug machine more and work on his hands like Torrey Smith did. Perriman shows his big play catching ability week after week. He will be a good one. 

Flacco sometime seems as if he does not have his heart into football and Flacco has to take control at the line. Far too many times, Flacco will hurry up and hike the ball instead of helping the line point out potential blitzers and analyzing potential holes in the coverage. When you look at guys like Brady, Rivers, Rothlisberger, and even Matt Ryan, they will talk and communicate with the line and recievers. Thats why each one of them have very good recievers. If he could build a Bff relationship with a reciever like he has with Pitta we would be much better.

Other notes:

Alex lewis do not look good at LT, he plays good at guard, but LT is not looking good for him.

Webb is good at S, but needs to work on his communication with the other DB's.

Zach Orr is definitely a bright spot

Edited October 17, 2016 by Edreedbest20

[The Greek]

too much $$ invested on certain players and it is not allowing us to bring in stars to fill key positions. poor drafting as well. see what a stud receiver can do for a team.

[The Greek]

the old pees with no creativity has shown up once again. no pass rush. hope we bring back pagano when he gets canned

[Purple Dawg 96]

Maybe we can go on a ten game win streak! Penalties killed us but this game was still winnable! Smh

[law215]

  6 hours ago, Hardhitters said:

  7 hours ago, n#7 said:

  7 hours ago, Hardhitters said:

Harbaugh: In the beginning he was winning with Billick's draft class and veterans, as well as was handed Flacco (Only piece Billick was missing) and Ray Rice and went on to win the bowl. Once Harbaugh cleared out Billick's guys and got rid of the other hard nose players, we only drafted "safe players" and had a history of being very unsatisfied with the coordinators. The common factor is that 85-90% of the things we don't like is a direct product of Harbaugh's team direction. It's time we go in a new direction because every single game is exactly the same, we barely win, we barely lose. It's becoming very insane to expect anything different from a Harbaugh lead team.

The draft in the last few years has been a weak spot for the R's. Add to that most of the so called impact players are now in their 30's and well on the way to retirement. A Coach can only go with what's given to him by the FO which try's to keep plugging holes with older, named players who have seen their better days. They may shortly have to come to the realization that a rebuilding project is in the immediate future and that would be better accomplished by a change in the FO.

So you think during the draft and before hand that Harbaugh is in never never land making no decisions on which players he wants to coach out of the gathered talent the FO presents to him.... If that's the case that's another reason he should be gone, he can't be counted on to help bring the right players in. But that's not the case, these weak draft classes are people he signed off on.

No he's not in never, never land but one can be assured he's not the final say whom gets drafted and the top priority thereof. He's just one cog in the final determination and his job description is to coach the team and not be the final determinative factor at all. That's the job of the FO and while they may seek his advice he'll be overruled in a heartbeat if the FO is enamored with someone. Also, once again, the holes they're filling with over the hill players lies squarely with the FO, period. He's even stated on more than one occasion that he's given the players to work with and his job is to try and make the best out of it. When you have a 37 yr old WR who is obviously hurt and at the end of his playing days and 30 something LB's who either can't pressure the QB or can't even get on the field, as is with case of Elvis, that falls on the FO. Now Satnley's hurt: that BYU fella is out for the year; Perriman is not living up to all the hype; and the lack of depth is, once again this year, all too apparent. That is not the fault of the coach but the FO. He may take the hit for this but he'll be hired by someone else in a football minute. It's highly doubtful any replacement will do any better unless there's a change in philosophy.

I agree. OZ and DeCosta's draft have been terrible these last few years. In a passing league where you need Wr, Cb, pass rushers, they double down on TE, ILB, and DTs.

That being said. Harbs gambling has cost the team. They are still passing twice as much as running the ball. It's all of them. Something needs to be shaken up.

[bozo]

i guess the experts are right, they all said before the season the ravens are below average team, and flacco is not the answer. same old story just a different day.

[BigUgly]

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

[Cillmatic]

4 minutes ago, BigUgly said:

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

Based on no evidence?

[slowboater]

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

My head hurts just trying to understand what this means and how you came up with it. Ozzie is ultimately responsible for the draft. Yes Harbs gets credit for a SB. So does Flacco. The former, in going for it on 4th down again, conceivably lost the game for the second straight week. The latter is working on getting our new OC fired.

[slowboater]

the old pees with no creativity has shown up once again. no pass rush. hope we bring back pagano when he gets canned

Yeah. You are right. Pees isn't good as pass rushing. Neither are any other Ravens.

[slowboater]

When your barely winning games why are you not taking the sure points? John is aggressively losing his job.

John "go for it on 4th" Harbaugh. I like it.....
Who is the new head coach?

[Ibleedperple]

The Ravens are a 500 team if that. The defense don't run NO stunts on blitz's, same vanilla defense. Pee's and Harb's should both be gone after the season. I'm tired of hearing we have to work harder. All excuse's a head coach uses when he can't handle the job. Since 2013 Harb's record is WINS 26 LOSSES 28

[llxxGrimxxll]

Hate to say it, but I kind of hope the team does go 4-12. Hopefully it will show the front office that a full rebuild is needed and to quit trying to "patch up" a broken-beyond-repair team that lost too much post 2012. It's time to let go of the past, strip the team down, free up cap space by letting the 30+ year old vets walk (Flacco and Yanda being the only exceptions). Time to draft like it's 1996, do a bit of plunging on high end targets coming out of rookie deals.. the team cannot sustain the route it is taking. It's an obvious downward spiral and it's only gonna get worse before it gets better. Do something while Flacco has a few good years left. Many top QB's can play into their 40, Flacco is not a top QB. He may do well post season but he has trouble getting there and every year older he gets, the weaker his arm will be until the point where his primary strength now will be only "middling". A rebuild takes at least 2-3 years, he should still be good until then, but it has to start as soon as this season ends, or by the time the realization finally comes to Oz and co, and things get accomplished it may be too late and they will be adding a QB to the draft list.

[thecommish]

wow.... i am seeing a lot of negativity.... i get frustration but reality is that we are 1 game behind Pittsburgh. We will get healthier. They now need to play the Patriots without Big Jen. if we win this week and they lose (good chance of that) we are tied for 1st place and that is with a QB who is coming off of a knee surgery, a change at OC, a 38 year old WR coming off of an Achilles, and starting two rookie OL.

We went 3-1 in the first quarter of the season.... we are currently 0-2 in the second quarter. If we can go 2-2 in this quarter and 2-2 in the remaining two that leaves us at 9-7 and a chance to get in.

If we start to gel and come together a little... we should be able to win 10 games. We still control our own destiny..... we haven't been blown out of any game like Pittsburgh was with Philly. We haven't gotten physically manhandled and had the balll ran down our throats like Pittsburgh did vs the Dolphins. We dont have 4 loses already like the Bengals. We are not the browns. There is still a lot to build on.

If Harbs can get Pees out of the bend but dont break mentality... and we can gel under Marty.... WE still have a legitimate run at this. (Every loss we have had this year has been by 1 drive or heck even 1 play) we need to stop beating ourselves and grow up as a team and we will be fine!

[someyoungguy]

Talent wise the Ravens are the worst team in the NFC North. When you combine subpar coaching, we don't have a chance. IMO it's deeper than that. Every year we try to trade down "looking for a late round draft steal." My question is why? We should be trying to trade up to get some talented players. We don't have a L. Bell, Antonio Brown, AJ Greeen, Tyrell Pryor or OBJ type player on our team. We do have a lot of often injured veterans though. We also have a head coach that doesn't know his team or opponent enough to know when to kick a field goal.

[Purple Dawg 96]

I'm sorry but Joe Flacco is our Tony Romo let Mallet start and we will win this Sunday and more! Look at them cowboys now and that can be us but it will be the same old pointing fingers at everyone else but Joe! I'm sorry I really like Joe but it is what it is! If we don't win Sunday it's time for a change!

[slowboater]

6 minutes ago, thecommish said:

wow.... i am seeing a lot of negativity.... i get frustration but reality is that we are 1 game behind Pittsburgh. We will get healthier. They now need to play the Patriots without Big Jen. if we win this week and they lose (good chance of that) we are tied for 1st place and that is with a QB who is coming off of a knee surgery, a change at OC, a 38 year old WR coming off of an Achilles, and starting two rookie OL.

We went 3-1 in the first quarter of the season.... we are currently 0-2 in the second quarter. If we can go 2-2 in this quarter and 2-2 in the remaining two that leaves us at 9-7 and a chance to get in.

If we start to gel and come together a little... we should be able to win 10 games. We still control our own destiny..... we haven't been blown out of any game like Pittsburgh was with Philly. We haven't gotten physically manhandled and had the balll ran down our throats like Pittsburgh did vs the Dolphins. We dont have 4 loses already like the Bengals. We are not the browns. There is still a lot to build on.

If Harbs can get Pees out of the bend but dont break mentality... and we can gel under Marty.... WE still have a legitimate run at this. (Every loss we have had this year has been by 1 drive or heck even 1 play) we need to stop beating ourselves and grow up as a team and we will be fine!

There sure is a awful lot of "if" in that post. John, is that you?

[No Cowbells]

Every game lost this tear was winnable if we had better quarterback play. Flacco is far from elite, in fact his play is not even good. OC’s come and go and Flacco reverts back to “Same Old Joe.” OC’s come in thinking they have a game ready QB, when what is really needed is a QB whisperer to overcome Joes poor instincts.
What for example is Joe’s success rate for picking up necessary small yardage on QB sneaks? Playing QB through college plus 6 years in the league and he thinks he can stand upright and wonder forward on the sneak!
Not his fault he doesn’t get it right. You would think an OC or QB coach would tell him to take the ball and dive into a gap in the line, use his big body to push.
It sounds like a minor thing but it’s representative of his play not improving.

[The Greek]

I'm sorry but Joe Flacco is our Tony Romo let Mallet start and we will win this Sunday and more! Look at them cowboys now and that can be us but it will be the same old pointing fingers at everyone else but Joe! I'm sorry I really like Joe but it is what it is! If we don't win Sunday it's time for a change!

we r not even close to having the o-line dallas has

[whobilly]

Every game lost this tear was winnable if we had better quarterback play. Flacco is far from elite, in fact his play is not even good. OC’s come and go and Flacco reverts back to “Same Old Joe.” OC’s come in thinking they have a game ready QB, when what is really needed is a QB whisperer to overcome Joes poor instincts.
What for example is Joe’s success rate for picking up necessary small yardage on QB sneaks? Playing QB through college plus 6 years in the league and he thinks he can stand upright and wonder forward on the sneak!
Not his fault he doesn’t get it right. You would think an OC or QB coach would tell him to take the ball and dive into a gap in the line, use his big body to push.
It sounds like a minor thing but it’s representative of his play not improving.

They flashed the stats on the screen yesterday. 2 sacks 13 QB Hurries. That was in the first half. The game starts up front.......on both sides of the ball. We didn't lay a hand on ELI until Suggs finally got to him. Not sticking up for Joe. We are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

[whobilly]

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

Elam, Arthur Brown, and basically lots of other guys who can't play other than Mosley and B Williams. It seems Jernnigan shows up about every 4th game or so and likely will get overpaid by another team.
To disgusted right now to think it through. Let me know if I missed anybody.

[No Cowbells]

  19 minutes ago, No Cowbells said:

Every game lost this tear was winnable if we had better quarterback play. Flacco is far from elite, in fact his play is not even good. OC’s come and go and Flacco reverts back to “Same Old Joe.” OC’s come in thinking they have a game ready QB, when what is really needed is a QB whisperer to overcome Joes poor instincts.
What for example is Joe’s success rate for picking up necessary small yardage on QB sneaks? Playing QB through college plus 6 years in the league and he thinks he can stand upright and wonder forward on the sneak!
Not his fault he doesn’t get it right. You would think an OC or QB coach would tell him to take the ball and dive into a gap in the line, use his big body to push.
It sounds like a minor thing but it’s representative of his play not improving.

They flashed the stats on the screen yesterday. 2 sacks 13 QB Hurries. That was in the first half. The game starts up front.......on both sides of the ball. We didn't lay a hand on ELI until Suggs finally got to him. Not sticking up for Joe. We are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Agreed. Not good enough for a number of reasons; however, we win if we score after the big pass to Wallace. As soon as Joe got stuffed on the sneak (again) I knew we where destined to go on 4th down instead of a FG (AGAIN)

[20306cab]

  1 hour ago, BigUgly said:

It's really interesting that the drafts in the 4 years since the SB have been worse than any other stretch in the team's history, and this with only ONE winning season in that span. That leads me to believe Harbs is exerting his influence more as a SB-winning coach.

My head hurts just trying to understand what this means and how you came up with it. Ozzie is ultimately responsible for the draft. Yes Harbs gets credit for a SB. So does Flacco. The former, in going for it on 4th down again, conceivably lost the game for the second straight week. The latter is working on getting our new OC fired.

Actually, ridiculous calls in THREE straight games, cost these losses.

[20306cab]

As I expected, nothing will change with this OC. Let's see. Up 10-0 in the first quarter, first and ten on their own nine. Thanks to another penalty. First down; West for seven. Second down; Flacco sacked. Third down; pass complete for -3 yards. There's just nothing there. I hope Biscotti is true to his word, and gets rid of Self Righteous John and Far Below Average Joe at season's end.