[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. New York Giants

[designermaryland]

This team lacks everything. Heart, effort, discipline, execution, fundamentals. How can Harbaugh still be employed, and have a reputation as a good coach? Clearly now we are finding out he most definitely was riding the coat tails of Reed, Lewis and Birk. Since those guys left, it has been a horror show.

[metalraven]

  1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

This is a sinking ship......Harbaugh keeps shooting holes in it by gambling away precious points.
He needs a checkup from the neck up, no more taking stupid pills.

What precious points? Just because we went for it on 4th down does not mean jack! The secondary is HORRENDOUS! Plain and simple!

Completely wrong, sir. If they take the FG, guess what? Ravens only need a FG to win. They lost 27-23. They could've been down 27-26 instead, with Tucker to ice the game. But nope, Harbs makes yet ANOTHER bonehead call. I've defended him for years. Not anymore.

[Zeus]

  1 hour ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Wonder if they'll draft another super duper, fast as lightening receiver who can barely catch, and despite the speed, not get separation.

Oh I'm sure they will find one. Perriman is 1000% bust way too much hype for him on this web site

[ravens4life86]

Just looking at Report on that 4 letter network about Sizzle. Bicep torn, not season ending. Sizzle "You know who I am and what Im about"

Side bar-thought.. Sizzle a warrior wants to play through it. Get PRP or whatever and wrap it up..

Some more thoughts

1) #TakeThePointsHarbs

2) #RunTheBallMore

3) #ProtectTheFranchise

4) #NoMorePenalties

5) #WheresThePassRush?

[JamesA119]

A painful slow decline of a once dominant franchise.

[January J]

1 minute ago, designermaryland said:

This team lacks everything. Heart, effort, discipline, execution, fundamentals. How can Harbaugh still be employed, and have a reputation as a good coach? Clearly now we are finding out he most definitely was riding the coat tails of Reed, Lewis and Birk. Since those guys left, it has been a horror show.

True on the discipline front. And execution. Pretty much everything else you said Is false. Let's just give it until  of the year and reserve judgment. After all we are only one game out of first..lost all 3 games by litetallly one play and ate dealing with a slew of injuries.

[designermaryland]

law215,

Couple things...

As far as drafting going down hill. Whether you believe it or not. Im 1 who believes drafting has gone down hill, just like roster talent with the more power&influence Harbaugh gets. He wants "Yes Men" Nice Guys not alpha dogs. And while media will defend him by saying Smithsr,Sizzle are Alphas. Yeah but they wont ruffle any feathers either they are good characters.
Years past Ozzie would draft a Chris McAlister shutdown CB but a knucklehead because his talent was too much to overpass, he wouldve went and got a Noah Spence last year with similar backage but instead he went with 2 lower ceiling(Correa,Koufusi) higher character guys..thats all John Harbaugh.

You dont win with Character Nice guys. You win with Talented guys, Alpha dogs.
No matter what anybdy says..Ozzie didnt forget how to draft...its just Harbaugh gainec influence and put more emphasis on character

I do not really care whether the player is an alpha dog or not. That is just macho crap and talk. Draft players with football IQ and talent. All of these guys are athletes, the difference is who is more adept at match ups and reading the play. Suggs is one of the dumbest players on the team, constantly getting personal fouls and ill timed offside penalties, even after playing for years. Jimmy Smith was a hard case as well, and he doesnt look all that good on potential ceiling either. Dumb penalties, missed assignments, looks slow or easily beaten 4 out of 5 plays. They just have to select better football players in general, something they have failed at miserably now for 8 years.

[craymonham]

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH.....I just had to let it go fellas. This loss hurts.

[ravens4life86]

Designermaryland, we'll agree to disagree. Especially on a HOF caliber player like Suggs and Jimmy Smith. Yes occasionally sizzle gets bonehead offside for jumping the gun, but his influence on the plus side is off the chart.
Take Jimmy Smith off the field and look what happened..Beckham went for 200.
With Jimmy in girst half 2 for 11. So your talking arguably 2 most impactful defensive players.

[TheConquerorWorm]

law215,

Couple things...

As far as drafting going down hill. Whether you believe it or not. Im 1 who believes drafting has gone down hill, just like roster talent with the more power&influence Harbaugh gets. He wants "Yes Men" Nice Guys not alpha dogs. And while media will defend him by saying Smithsr,Sizzle are Alphas. Yeah but they wont ruffle any feathers either they are good characters.
Years past Ozzie would draft a Chris McAlister shutdown CB but a knucklehead because his talent was too much to overpass, he wouldve went and got a Noah Spence last year with similar backage but instead he went with 2 lower ceiling(Correa,Koufusi) higher character guys..thats all John Harbaugh.

You dont win with Character Nice guys. You win with Talented guys, Alpha dogs.
No matter what anybdy says..Ozzie didnt forget how to draft...its just Harbaugh gainec influence and put more emphasis on character

Blah, blah, blah. Harbaugh has very little input in the draft. It's Ozzie & DeCosta plus the scouting team. Funny how you don't mention Mosley, Stanley, Bwill, Jernigan, Lewis, Dixon, Wagner, Tavon in your "horrible draft" post. Guess they don't fit your agenda.....And McAlister had no off-field baggage coming out of college (it wasn't until years later). BTW, how's Spence doing? 2 Tackles & 1 sack in 5 games...oh and hes gonna need shoulder surgery soon.....

[TheConquerorWorm]

  1 hour ago, PersianRaven said:

  1 hour ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

This is a sinking ship......Harbaugh keeps shooting holes in it by gambling away precious points.
He needs a checkup from the neck up, no more taking stupid pills.

What precious points? Just because we went for it on 4th down does not mean jack! The secondary is HORRENDOUS! Plain and simple!

Completely wrong, sir. If they take the FG, guess what? Ravens only need a FG to win. They lost 27-23. They could've been down 27-26 instead, with Tucker to ice the game. But nope, Harbs makes yet ANOTHER bonehead call. I've defended him for years. Not anymore.

No, you are completely wrong. If you kick the field goal, it changes every play after that. Instead of being pinned down in their end zone and then punting (which led to a FG), the Ravens kickoff and the Giants get the ball on the 25. New set of plays. Thinking you can change 1 play without affecting any of the other plays is foolish.

[Minionhunter]

"The patchwork offensive line deserves kudos for the most part. Playing without anchors Marshal Yanda and Ronnie Stanley, it opened holes for West and gave Flacco enough time to throw on most plays. Oh, but those penalties."

Uhhh, you spent a lot of article space saying penalties killed us, the line had quite a few. I disagree they gave Joe time to throw on most plays. Joe was getting killed, throwing early to not get killed, or running for his life when he wasn't using play action or handing off.

You pointed out what turned the game, Jimmy getting the concussion. Then Suggs with a torn biceps or triceps sealed our fate. We have no replacement for either player unless we are going to make some unforeseen blockbuster trade...

[ellicottraven]

I have 3 thoughts but very simple ones. Clearly it isn't the coordinator that was the issue. It is the players led by Flacco. Second, game management is an art as much as its a science and Harbaugh is neither an artist nor a scientist on the field decision making. Third, Flacco needs to take accountability for his inability to close out games. It is proving to be tough to win games with this offense despite having the best defense of the past few years.

[Minionhunter]

  31 minutes ago, metalraven said:

  1 hour ago, PersianRaven said:

  2 hours ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

This is a sinking ship......Harbaugh keeps shooting holes in it by gambling away precious points.
He needs a checkup from the neck up, no more taking stupid pills.

What precious points? Just because we went for it on 4th down does not mean jack! The secondary is HORRENDOUS! Plain and simple!

Completely wrong, sir. If they take the FG, guess what? Ravens only need a FG to win. They lost 27-23. They could've been down 27-26 instead, with Tucker to ice the game. But nope, Harbs makes yet ANOTHER bonehead call. I've defended him for years. Not anymore.

No, you are completely wrong. If you kick the field goal, it changes every play after that. Instead of being pinned down in their end zone and then punting (which led to a FG), the Ravens kickoff and the Giants get the ball on the 25. New set of plays. Thinking you can change 1 play without affecting any of the other plays is foolish.

Thank goodness for sanity tonight.

[ravens4life86]

ConquererWorn...,
My agenda?????? The agenda of stating facts. And if you dont think Harbaugh has influence on players drafted&personnel then you dont know a thing.

What about Mosley,etc? They are all nice players but 1 we dont know about this draft yet for couple years...and Mosley is only standout of those classes. Wheres the Next HOFR?? Wheres the next Sizzle,Ngata,JO,REED???? They have flopped and harbaugh does have influence no matter what you say.
Like I said Bwill hes good, hes not Aaron Donald,Suh or Ngata. Hes probably gone, drafting another franchise DT/NT.. unless they make a deal. So you tell me..Imnin the business of finding HOFRS..not good players

[Minionhunter]

This comment thread is cancer.

You are correct, unfortunately.

[Hardhitters]

Suggs got the only sack but he's playing like a bum compared to his previous seasons. Harbaugh is a garbage time coach, his decisions only make sense when we're leading by 20, when is the last time we led by 20. Flacco doesn't spend enough time learning his receivers that's why he always over throw them, if he knew Wallace he would have known Wallace would stop his route short because he was wide open. Joe probably go home and role on the floor with the babies and only do football stuff when he's at work. To him it's not life, it's a job. To Jerry Rice, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Peyton Manning and all the other greats, it's life. "Work your whole life to be a leader but you're not a leader until you're perceived as a leader." -Steve Young

Edited October 17, 2016 by Hardhitters

[4everraven]

2 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Honestly if the Ravens are going to finish 8-8 or 7-9, would rather it be 3-13, 4-12 and a top 2 or 3 pick.

[b93333]

Looking like another 5-11 season. I hope we do a better job drafting than we have in recent years or 5-11 may become the norm.

[Hardhitters]

Harbaugh: In the beginning he was winning with Billick's draft class and veterans, as well as was handed Flacco (Only piece Billick was missing) and Ray Rice and went on to win the bowl. Once Harbaugh cleared out Billick's guys and got rid of the other hard nose players, we only drafted "safe players" and had a history of being very unsatisfied with the coordinators. The common factor is that 85-90% of the things we don't like is a direct product of Harbaugh's team direction. It's time we go in a new direction because every single game is exactly the same, we barely win, we barely lose. It's becoming very insane to expect anything different from a Harbaugh lead team.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Hardhitters

[HardKnocks]

Marc Trestman could have called that exact same game and got fired all over again, Marc you're off the hook for this none sense, too bad you had to lose your paycheck because the head coach has no clue.

[purpledown]

I think its time to move on from John Harbaugh, this is him team as well as Ozzie Newsome. Too many penalties and miscues. He is a good coach but its possible his time is up in Baltimore.

[n#7]

Harbaugh: In the beginning he was winning with Billick's draft class and veterans, as well as was handed Flacco (Only piece Billick was missing) and Ray Rice and went on to win the bowl. Once Harbaugh cleared out Billick's guys and got rid of the other hard nose players, we only drafted "safe players" and had a history of being very unsatisfied with the coordinators. The common factor is that 85-90% of the things we don't like is a direct product of Harbaugh's team direction. It's time we go in a new direction because every single game is exactly the same, we barely win, we barely lose. It's becoming very insane to expect anything different from a Harbaugh lead team.

The draft in the last few years has been a weak spot for the R's. Add to that most of the so called impact players are now in their 30's and well on the way to retirement. A Coach can only go with what's given to him by the FO which try's to keep plugging holes with older, named players who have seen their better days. They may shortly have to come to the realization that a rebuilding project is in the immediate future and that would be better accomplished by a change in the FO.

[Hardhitters]

7 minutes ago, n#7 said:

30 minutes ago, Hardhitters said:

Harbaugh: In the beginning he was winning with Billick's draft class and veterans, as well as was handed Flacco (Only piece Billick was missing) and Ray Rice and went on to win the bowl. Once Harbaugh cleared out Billick's guys and got rid of the other hard nose players, we only drafted "safe players" and had a history of being very unsatisfied with the coordinators. The common factor is that 85-90% of the things we don't like is a direct product of Harbaugh's team direction. It's time we go in a new direction because every single game is exactly the same, we barely win, we barely lose. It's becoming very insane to expect anything different from a Harbaugh lead team.

The draft in the last few years has been a weak spot for the R's. Add to that most of the so called impact players are now in their 30's and well on the way to retirement. A Coach can only go with what's given to him by the FO which try's to keep plugging holes with older, named players who have seen their better days. They may shortly have to come to the realization that a rebuilding project is in the immediate future and that would be better accomplished by a change in the FO.

So you think during the draft and before hand that Harbaugh is in never never land making no decisions on which players he wants to coach out of the gathered talent the FO presents to him.... If that's the case that's another reason he should be gone, he can't be counted on to help bring the right players in. But that's not the case, these weak draft classes are people he signed off on.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Hardhitters

[Crusader]

When your barely winning games why are you not taking the sure points? John is aggressively losing his job.

[Fastynart]

  1 hour ago, metalraven said:

  3 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Wonder if they'll draft another super duper, fast as lightening receiver who can barely catch, and despite the speed, not get separation.

Oh I'm sure they will find one. Perriman is 1000% bust way too much hype for him on this web site

Absolutely right. I have been screaming about this wasted pick since they took this guy, flushing yet another number one pick down the drain. He was a ball dropper in college and he is a ball dropper in the NFL. He can't get separation either. When have you seen him beat the defender like Beckham did twice today? Now that is what a number one pick does. All this baloney about how fast Perriman is makes me sick. He hasn't gotten by any defender yet, and, even though he has made some tough catches, he misses too many times on lesser ones. He is to the offense what Elam is to the defense, a wasted draft choice. You can't blow this many high picks and be competitive.

[Crusader]

I stopped liking Johns team after they kicked ed reed to the curb. Ed is Mr Baltimore. I have been saying john building college team in the nfl.

[thecommish]

5 THOUGHTS:

1. Agreed penalties are killing us... but that has been the MO under Harbs... I think he needs to crack down on this sooner then later

2. I saw some good things under Marty but too much of the same. Hope as he continues to get more comfortable in that spot that he will open this offense up more and more. Lets take the handcuffs off and stop being so darn predictable.

3. I know we had some injuries and I know this will not be popular but I still am simply not a Dean Pees fan,,, people can say whatever they want about a top ten defense and statistics but we cannot ever close team out (since he got here) all three of our loses this year... our defense had chances to close the game out but we failed. The bend but dont break mentality keeps breaking when it matters the most! So hard to watch out loses game after game over the past two seasons with the game in the hands of our defense. Hard to watch (especially for a team with such a rich and proud tradition on the defensive side of the ball)!

4. Why do we continue to seem so much more injury prone then other teams in the NFL (at this point... it is beyond coincidence or bad luck)

5. We are still only one game back behind he division leading sqeelers. And they play the Patriots next week without Ben! (We can right the ship quickly)

[thecommish]

A painful slow decline of a once dominant franchise.

we are not losing games by much but we lack the star players that we once had. Suggs and SSS are well beyond their prime. Still solid but beyond prime. Flacco is not a super star but a QB who can win games. We dont have a superstar at WR or RB - Brandon Williams, Yanda or CJ is probably the closest thing we have to a super star- sometimes it is those star players who give us the little something extra to win those close games that we keep losing. IDK if we need to draft better or grab a FA or trade but we dont seem to have the play maker type that made a difference on either side of the ball (we have a group of very solid and even very good players) but we need more to step up or to go out and get more of those diffence makers that Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Ray Rice, Todd Heap, Boulware, A. Thomas, Haloti Ngata, etc that have been a stable in BMORE!

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, Zeus said:

  3 hours ago, metalraven said:

  4 hours ago, Flamengo1265 said:

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Wonder if they'll draft another super duper, fast as lightening receiver who can barely catch, and despite the speed, not get separation.

Oh I'm sure they will find one. Perriman is 1000% bust way too much hype for him on this web site

Absolutely right. I have been screaming about this wasted pick since they took this guy, flushing yet another number one pick down the drain. He was a ball dropper in college and he is a ball dropper in the NFL. He can't get separation either. When have you seen him beat the defender like Beckham did twice today? Now that is what a number one pick does. All this baloney about how fast Perriman is makes me sick. He hasn't gotten by any defender yet, and, even though he has made some tough catches, he misses too many times on lesser ones. He is to the offense what Elam is to the defense, a wasted draft choice. You can't blow this many high picks and be competitive.

Over 50% of ALL 1st Round picks are busts.....