[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts vs. New York Giants

[whobilly]

Im done with this Embarrassment of a Team.

5 Thoughts

1) Harbaughs Seat gets Hotter as his in game decisions become more&more questionable.- 3 Straight weeks chasing points, 3 straight weeks that could have ended in a win or tie going to OT.
Today-Passing on a fg to make it 17-16, eventually setting up GW FG by Tucker instead forcing a gw td drive.

2) Makeshift Oline, too many penalties. I cant watch it anymore. Killing the offense, couldve had atleast 2-3 more fgs without the penalties. I wont watch another game unless they get Stanley,Yanda back...cause I have seen enough proof Im going to check a loss for every game here out until they get back. So Note to Harbaugh. Let Stanley play.. throw caution to the wind. Unless you want to get fired by having another 5-11 season. Bet your backside you will.

3) Marty playcalling- A lot better game flow and more deep shots I liked, but still to many passes 48. For a game thst Ravens lead 10-0 mostly or tied 10-10...only 23 for 87 for West thats good but he should have had 30 for 120. Ravens dont win when Joe throws 40x

4) Pass Rush, pretty bad when mid 30s HOF type player coming off 2nd achilles is still your highest sack guy, Sizzle 5 sacks. Very little pressure does the front get without blitzing. This looks like its going to be an all year problem once again, and something they still need to address in the draft. Correa is not a Pass Rusher atleast not in the Sizzle/Von Miller mold. Judon looks like he can be a 10 sack a season guy but hes young. They gotta find another franchise Edge Rusher for when Sizzle hangs it up.

5) Im just Frustrated,Embarrassed to many things to describe with this team

NOT GOOD ENOUGH. This could get real ugly in the next month or so. REAL UGLY.

[surfdude]

The thing that has bugged me for a number of years. They've run a vanilla offense EVERY YEAR ! Looks like they stole some high school playbook. During the week other teams defenses probably treat Raven week as a BYE.

[blackandpurple20]

I wish Harbaugh's seat would get hot but his leash is far too long for him to actually have much worry. A situation where all his past successes will probably hinder our future ones. I would bet he gets another year at the least regardless of how poorly this season ends. It's a shame that two straight weeks he makes the poor decision to go for it on 4th downs rather than utilizing the best kicker in the league and giving us the best chance to win at the end of games. It's a bigger shame that not many people (and no writers on this site) talk about how poor the decisions have been due mostly to how many other mistakes have served as a scapegoat to his coaching performance, like penalties and injuries. Bottom line is, regardless of how many other mistakes we've made in these games, Harbaugh has blown the most important in game decisions for two straight weeks, yet he'll remain one of the safest guys in the organization.

[verified]

I dont understand how this offense can be so bad what are these guys doing all week?! Theres no way thelr actually practicing they cant be

[ravens4life86]

You know whats even more frustrating and I never thought Id see the day...

The day The Orioles became a more reliable playoff contender then the Ravens.
1 year of 5-11 injuries etc you get a pass but 2 consecutive years is a embarrassment..heads roll

I dont want to say come Halloween "Man I cant wait for Spring Training" but for the 1st time ever Im on the verge of doing just that unless Ravens get some of these key parts back and turn it around

[BaccaFly]

This comment thread is cancer.

[verified]

My Sunday's just opened up. Another Ugly Season, Im done.

On to basketball

[surfdude]

This comment thread is cancer.

Will the Big C is terrible and the Ravens are terrible. So there u go ......

[surfdude]

I have no problem with Harbs going for it on the 1 yard line knowing his offense has to score touchdowns. I have a problem with the plays. QB sneak then a sweep. C'mon man !

[ravens4life86]

The greek, If Sizzle Bicep is torn.. doesnt mean hes out for year. Im sure he could get PRP and wrap it super tight like he did sunday and just take pain meds. Remember Ray did the Unicorn juice or whatever and played in SB with torn bicep. I do agree though Dum will be gone next year, foot injury messed him up

[The Beak]

Another week same result, this team is just not talented enough to win , especially with the way flacco is playing, I counted 7 plays where he had OPEN wr and he made bad throws or bad reads, I know the O-Line sucks but joe was bad also, bright points (West and wallace) the Bad - pass rush looked slow and uninspired, the secondary was bad outside of Jsmith,... 6-11 is a stretch, 5-12 is about right.. I think the whole FO and coaching staff should be on the HOTSEAT
Draft failures ,Bad Qb play , and bad coaching are the definition of bad team!!

[WordProphet]

No discipline what so ever, entirely to many penalties, poor tackling, and poor decisions, all of this leads to lost games, today and in the future if we can't get a grip on this mess and stop it!!!

[law215]

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

[metalraven]

With all of the issues stated, there is still no mention of Flacco's inability to be accurate when the opportunity arises. He's just too inconsistent. The Ravens FO need to start looking at QBs in the draft. Flacco will keep us middle of the pack for now, but that's about it.

[metalraven]

I've got a feeling that we're going to see more teams going uptempo against our defense. Once the Giants went uptempo our D-line got gassed and the pass rush was nonexistent. I think we're also going to see teams blitzing us more often, there were a lot of free rushers coming at Flacco on blitzes.

Pass rush was non-existent anyways. Very seldom was Eli, the statue, under duress.

[metalraven]

Looking at our remaining schedule it seems that the Ravens are going to have another top 10 1st round draft pick.

Wonder if they'll draft another super duper, fast as lightening receiver who can barely catch, and despite the speed, not get separation.

[metalraven]

brady 29-35 360 yards 3 td's 37y.o. and missed 4 games. flacco had an amazing 4 game run in 2012 but that is it. he is below avg. prescott is better and he is a rookie. harbaugh is not an x's and o's guy and it shows. he lost the last 2 games by being greedy on 4th down.

Offensive schemes are completely different. Pats O is quick slants, quick outs, Y shakes in the seam. Whip routes from the slot. They run a very simple, yet efficient offense. Our offense is incredibly slow. The main reads are almost invariably deep, which take too much time to develop, leading to the inevitable check down, that gains a couple of yards, if Joe isn't sacked. Rinse, repeat.

[craymonham]

listen everyone the team is good,The offensive line play is what's really killing this team. Its time for 2 moderate trades for the offensive line. Also I think we should've kept MUNROE because he may not have been great but he was a veteran with expeirence.

[metalraven]

Most of the sacks and hurries on Joe could be avoided if the offense just kept it simple, and moved the chains. Not ONE single slant route was run today. Everything was either a deep drag, a post, or deep in. And they wonder why Joe is getting sacked. "It's O line!!", you say. Well, do Joe and the line a favor, and actually run quick plays.

[craymonham]

Flaccos decision making is horrible I'm sorry. He crumbles under pressure (during the season) and just takes sacks instead of throwing the ball away....I just don't understand what flaccos thinking.

[metalraven]

This is a sinking ship......Harbaugh keeps shooting holes in it by gambling away precious points.
He needs a checkup from the neck up, no more taking stupid pills.

Exactly. He takes these gambles as if the offense is actually good. It'd be a bit more reasonable to take those chances if the offense proved it was capable. But they are not. Harbs has lost my confidence.

[ravens4life86]

law215,

Couple things...

As far as drafting going down hill. Whether you believe it or not. Im 1 who believes drafting has gone down hill, just like roster talent with the more power&influence Harbaugh gets. He wants "Yes Men" Nice Guys not alpha dogs. And while media will defend him by saying Smithsr,Sizzle are Alphas. Yeah but they wont ruffle any feathers either they are good characters.
Years past Ozzie would draft a Chris McAlister shutdown CB but a knucklehead because his talent was too much to overpass, he wouldve went and got a Noah Spence last year with similar backage but instead he went with 2 lower ceiling(Correa,Koufusi) higher character guys..thats all John Harbaugh.

You dont win with Character Nice guys. You win with Talented guys, Alpha dogs.
No matter what anybdy says..Ozzie didnt forget how to draft...its just Harbaugh gainec influence and put more emphasis on character

[metalraven]

Unless it's 4 down territory, no reason to go for it on 4th; especially with this disgusting offense. If they can't score on three tries; then a 4th is highly unlikely. Take the points, and live to fight another day.

[metalraven]

listen everyone the team is good,The offensive line play is what's really killing this team. Its time for 2 moderate trades for the offensive line. Also I think we should've kept MUNROE because he may not have been great but he was a veteran with expeirence.

He would've been a very, very expensive backup.

[Maurice0094]

Unless it's 4 down territory, no reason to go for it on 4th; especially with this disgusting offense. If they can't score on three tries; then a 4th is highly unlikely. Take the points, and live to fight another day.

Amen

[January J]

This team could literally go 3-13 or 13-3 and I wouldn't be surprised either way. I just want ONE game where I don't have a knot in my stomach in the final 2 minutes. Just one. That's all.

[donkeyking64]

Gonna need better journalism from John Eisenberg. Any mention of Harbaugh's passing on the field goal to go for it on 4th down?

You would think that he knows his team well enough, but this offensive line is not knocking anyone off the ball. So why go for it on 4th down 2 weeks in a row only to find yourself in a position at the end of the game where instead of just kicking to TIE or WIN you have to go for the TD.

Offensive line doesn't play well. QB doesn't play well. Yet you insist on going for it on 4th down time and time again....

And Eisenberg just glosses over that ...

[craymonham]

My five thoughts will be based on reasons why the Ravens need to make changes.

1. Most of the best players on the team are guys the Ravens brought in via free agency. A lot of the guys they draft are on the bench or special teams way too often.

Smith Sr, Wallace, Weddle, Watson (injured). In the past Boldin, Mason, McKinney, McGahee.

This organization consistently relies on free agents (old players) instead of building through the draft. It’s no wonder they are against the cap and can’t keep good players. There was a time when every year OZ drafted a pro bowler. What happened?

2. Over the last few seasons, the Ravens are one of the most penalized teams. Has Harbs lost the ability to instill discipline?

3. Their highest paid players are the most inconsistent and disappointing.

Flacco is not elite. He is inconsistent in every aspect of the position.
Webb is overpaid.
J Smith does not look like a 1st round CB.

Where are the pro bowls among these players? If I’m not mistaken, none of them have a pro bowl.

Joe caught fire in 2012 and is solid in the playoffs, but regular season he is average at best.

4. 5 offensive coordinators and the offense still stinks. In fact, it was worst under Billick. Harbs is not an X and Os guys. He does not have the competence to contribute to developing a successful system on either side of the ball. As a result, the front office hire all these former coaches with their own viewpoints. Ravens need a coach that implement a system that guides how they draft and build an identity.
5. Ravens are heading toward missing the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. They are 8-14 so far over the past 2 seasons. The consistency Steve mentioned in the state of the Ravens is not working. Quality of draft, ability to retain top players , ability to develop young talent, lack of pro bowlers at positions you draft and players with big contracts are all on the decline.

Webb is a terrible FS. Jimmy has the same skill set as Talib its just that he has no safety help. Flacco is still the same flacco but not worth $100 mill! Harbs needs to relax and focus on consistency within the coaching staff so we can reestab lish our identity again.

[metalraven]

Gonna need better journalism from John Eisenberg. Any mention of Harbaugh's passing on the field goal to go for it on 4th down?

You would think that he knows his team well enough, but this offensive line is not knocking anyone off the ball. So why go for it on 4th down 2 weeks in a row only to find yourself in a position at the end of the game where instead of just kicking to TIE or WIN you have to go for the TD.

Offensive line doesn't play well. QB doesn't play well. Yet you insist on going for it on 4th down time and time again....

And Eisenberg just glosses over that ...

Yep. And no mention of Joe going 26-48 with ZERO touchdowns.

[Maurice0094]

Harbaugh was out coached again because he "goes for it" at non oppournute times. Flacco looks gun shy since '12. We have no pass rush fume/Suggs are non existent especially because now both are hurt. Secondary is terrible and they are dropping like flies. Hey this might sound crazy but Elam, Lewis, or Levine might be more of physical presence than the 3 cb's we are running out there. Run the ball more and play action pass off of the run action. Oh yeah Juice needs to look at some leach and gash tape they didn't get blown up as much at fb and were decent receivers.