Suggs...Arm injury. If serious would this be his career here?

[flynismo]

Just now, Sami84 said:

i think money would be best spent elsewhere.

btw kelly gregg was a NT who could get 4-5 sacks a year

Gregg never once in his career got 4 or more sacks. Try again.

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, flynismo said:

So because our 3-4 NT doesn't get enough pressure you want him gone?

What in the actual hell are you going on about now? Really, I want to know.

 

 

i think money would be best spent elsewhere.

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Gregg never once in his career got 4 or more sacks. Try again.

huh? he's had 3 to 3.5 in quite a few years.

 

brandon williams has a grand total of 3.5 in his entire career..imagine..ALL the passing snaps hes taken..

 

3.5

 

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

huh? he's had 3 to 3.5 in quite a few years.

 

brandon williams has a grand total of 3.5 in his entire career..imagine..ALL the passing snaps hes taken..

 

3.5

 

Ignoring the obvious fact that 3 is less than "4-5", and the other obvious fact that was a completely different defense....

What is a 3-4 NT's job in the defense? To get sacks?

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i think money would be best spent elsewhere.

huh? he's had 3 to 3.5 in quite a few years.

 

brandon williams has a grand total of 3.5 in his entire career..imagine..ALL the passing snaps hes taken..

 

3.5

 

It took Kelly Gregg 5 seasons to even get 3.0 sacks in a single season. Sometimes you need to be patient with guys. 

[rmw10]

Schefter now reporting the same.  Says it's not considered season ending just yet and Suggs is hoping to play through it.  Looks like the tests over the next couple of days will be the determining factor.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17811735/terrell-suggs-baltimore-ravens-torn-left-biceps

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

It took Kelly Gregg 5 seasons to even get 3.0 sacks in a single season. Sometimes you need to be patient with guys. 

gregg used to push the pocket quite a lot. He had far more quickness and was just as good in stuffing the run.

 

B.Williams has 0 explosion

[codizzle]

10 minutes ago, flynismo said:

 

What is a 3-4 NT's job in the defense? To get sacks?

Anybody with a brain knows that. 

[jimmypowder]

Suggs & Doom sadly are both done . Teams don't have to game plan for either one 

and no double teaming is needed  on either . 

No. 1 priority next year - Pass rushers . 

Manning ,with a garbage oline had all day to throw and a clean pocket . 

 

[Dre-Dog-31]

Time to make a trade for Shane ray

[Inqui]

Just now, Dre-Dog-31 said:

Time to make a trade for Shane ray

If he's been doing well enough for us to want to trade for him, why would the Broncos give him up? (added to that the fact that we run different schemes, wouldn't have Von Miller across from him and the Broncos would take a $5 million cap hit if they traded him away)

I swear people just stop thinking altogether after a loss.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Inqui

[Willbacker]

35 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Ignoring the obvious fact that 3 is less than "4-5", and the other obvious fact that was a completely different defense....

What is a 3-4 NT's job in the defense? To get sacks?

He should at least get a sack a game. I mean the QB is only lined up like a foot away from him right. You should be able to blow right thru the interior line and either jump up and block the pass or rock the QB..

[K-Dog]

5 minutes ago, Inqui said:

 

I swear people just stop thinking altogether after a loss.

and often times the seven days following ....

[Inqui]

Just now, K-Dog said:

and often times the seven days following ....

Nothing like a loss to bring the overreactive muppets out of the woodwork. Good grief.

[Ravens4Real]

Don't see how this defense can do anything without a pass rush. Suggs is literally the only one out there providing pressure/sacks. Even if he tries to play through the injury, it would probably do the team more harm than good. He'd be able to get little to no leverage against LT's and almost no push when being ran at.

This situation is honestly a lose/lose type of one. Sad thing is, the front office may be content with him trying to play through it. Just for the simple reason that there is absolutely nothing behind him and a one armed Suggs is better than our backups.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Ravens4Real

[Edug27]

1 hour ago, jimmypowder said:

Suggs & Doom sadly are both done . Teams don't have to game plan for either one 

and no double teaming is needed  on either . 

No. 1 priority next year - Pass rushers . 

Manning ,with a garbage oline had all day to throw and a clean pocket . 

 

They are old broken down pass rushers. I would say let them sit and go with the young guys... but they aren't real bright spots either. 

[JO_75]

Alright this is way too coincidental to 2012. Doom is injured and missing the first part of the season just like Suggs in the beginning of 2012 due to an injury. Doom is now playing the part of Suggs, and Suggs is playing the part of Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis' arm injury also happened in Week 6 during the 2012 Season. Suggs injury..... Week 6.

 

Edited October 17, 2016 by JO_75

[JO_75]

If this is any positive news... PFT says Suggs suffered a similar injury in 2012 and played through the injury. Adam Schefter says that Suggs wants to keep playing despite the injury.

Quote

PFT has confirmed that linebacker Terrell Suggssuffered a torn left biceps during Sunday’s loss to the Giants. He suffered a similar injury in his right arm in 2012, and he continued to play with the injury.

The injury was first reported by Jay Glazer of FOX Sports. Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Suggs wants to keep playing, despite the torn biceps

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/16/terrell-suggs-has-torn-biceps-has-played-with-one-before/

[Maryland]

8 hours ago, mdrsharon said:

Uh oh.

atleast he has a future on tv.

Suggs doesn't have a face for television lol

6 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I suspect he'll return in time for the playoffs and announce that this will be his "last ride" and lead us to another Super Bowl. 

Hah! That would be awesome. Get Sizzle a gigantic arm brace and some deer antler spray pronto.

[darklight1216]

7 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Alright this is way too coincidental to 2012. Doom is injured and missing the first part of the season just like Suggs in the beginning of 2012 due to an injury. Doom is now playing the part of Suggs, and Suggs is playing the part of Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis' arm injury also happened in Week 6 during the 2012 Season. Suggs injury..... Week 6.

 

That is uncanny.

 

Now all they're missing are more wins...

[jazz1988]

14 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Suggs & Doom sadly are both done . Teams don't have to game plan for either one 

and no double teaming is needed  on either . 

No. 1 priority next year - Pass rushers . 

Manning ,with a garbage oline had all day to throw and a clean pocket . 

 

I don't know about Suggs. Doom may just need to get more rest and may overall need the bye week to get going. The guy had 6 sacks and 20 quarterback hurries  last year while playing through this suppose foot injury. I like to think once he gets healthy things will get better.

[jazz1988]

14 hours ago, Sami84 said:

i think money would be best spent elsewhere.

huh? he's had 3 to 3.5 in quite a few years.

 

brandon williams has a grand total of 3.5 in his entire career..imagine..ALL the passing snaps hes taken..

 

3.5

 

 

Kelly Gregg was a every down player which something Brandon Williams hasn't been but for the most part Williams has been The Ravens best NT since Kelly Gregg has left.

[jboy19]

B Williams has been an above average NT. Huge reason that this defense can be so effective against the run. He also plays a huge role in absorbing blockers so that there is a shot at pressuring the QB.  No idea how people can say he's bad. Saying he is bad because he hasn't had a lot of sacks is like saying Tom Brady is bad because he doesn't have any 100 yard rushing games. What do people think a NT does? 

[ALPHA]

Suggs playing at 50% is still a better pass rusher than anyone else on our team. Thats how sad things are, and why our secondary is having problems.

Edited October 19, 2016 by ALPHA

[Rav'n Maniac]

7 hours ago, ALPHA said:

Suggs playing at 50% is still a better pass rusher than anyone else on our team. Thats how sad things are, and why our secondary is having problems.

You're right. Per @Filmstudy, Suggs had 1 sack, 2 QH and 4 pressures against the Giants. The rest of the team had 9 pressures total. Sorry is the only way to put it. Somebody needs to flame ZDS' butt. He hasn't done crap this year. Maybe they should try Urban on the outside on 3rd down. He isn't playing with Guy in there anyway.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I dont have any numbers or stats to support this, but i think Pees needs to consider bringing more than 4 rushers more often. Our regular 3 and 4 man rushes just arent getting there.

I'm not saying lets go blitz happy... just to mix them in more often. Use Mosley (when he's back), Orr, and even Correa on some delayed A gap blitzes... Use Weddle, Webb, and Tavon on some disguised blitzes off the edge or up the middle. 

Pees is usually very creative and efficient with his use of blitzes... he disguises them, and typically waits for the right moment to use them. He's had some master classes in big games dialing up very creative blitz packages.

 

I know it will leave us more vulnerable on the back end, but the effectiveness we had early in the season is gone. We're just not getting home nearly enough anymore. Watching Cousins and Eli just sit back there all day made me sick. I think we need to dial it up just a little more often. We show blitz very often, bringing everyone up to the line and then we back off. But i think its getting to the point where offenses arent fearing the possibility nearly as much bc we havent really brought it often enough.

We've got to start hitting these guys. The Browns game is a perfect example of how the cumulative effect of hitting the QB can change a game. As that game wore on McCown just got worse and worse, and more beat up. And, if we cant get there just man-on-man, then we've got to draw something up to give us an advantage. More stunts inside, and more LB/DB blitzes.

[darklight1216]

On 17/10/2016 at 11:45 AM, jazz1988 said:

 

Kelly Gregg was a every down player which something Brandon Williams hasn't been but for the most part Williams has been The Ravens best NT since Kelly Gregg has left.

Haloti Ngata wasn't terrible either.

[ALPHA]

20 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

You're right. Per @Filmstudy, Suggs had 1 sack, 2 QH and 4 pressures against the Giants. The rest of the team had 9 pressures total. Sorry is the only way to put it. Somebody needs to flame ZDS' butt. He hasn't done crap this year. Maybe they should try Urban on the outside on 3rd down. He isn't playing with Guy in there anyway.

Yeah ZDS was talking big game this offseason but he's gone missing since then, and our three overhyped rookie pass rushers have shown that they are just rookies.

[gtalk12]

The end of an era, this is sad. All the guys I looked up to as a kid are gone. Ngata is the only one and he's in Detroit. Suggs looks slow, could be mostly rust but I've noticed he's jumping the line trying to get to the QB early. All the sacks I've seen have been coverage sacks, nothing that he's created with a push. I am open to being corrected, but from what I've seen it does not look as good as we would all like or have come to expect from him

[January J]

On 10/19/2016 at 10:44 AM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont have any numbers or stats to support this, but i think Pees needs to consider bringing more than 4 rushers more often. Our regular 3 and 4 man rushes just arent getting there.

I'm not saying lets go blitz happy... just to mix them in more often. Use Mosley (when he's back), Orr, and even Correa on some delayed A gap blitzes... Use Weddle, Webb, and Tavon on some disguised blitzes off the edge or up the middle. 

Pees is usually very creative and efficient with his use of blitzes... he disguises them, and typically waits for the right moment to use them. He's had some master classes in big games dialing up very creative blitz packages.

 

I know it will leave us more vulnerable on the back end, but the effectiveness we had early in the season is gone. We're just not getting home nearly enough anymore. Watching Cousins and Eli just sit back there all day made me sick. I think we need to dial it up just a little more often. We show blitz very often, bringing everyone up to the line and then we back off. But i think its getting to the point where offenses arent fearing the possibility nearly as much bc we havent really brought it often enough.

We've got to start hitting these guys. The Browns game is a perfect example of how the cumulative effect of hitting the QB can change a game. As that game wore on McCown just got worse and worse, and more beat up. And, if we cant get there just man-on-man, then we've got to draw something up to give us an advantage. More stunts inside, and more LB/DB blitzes.

So far our defense has been pretty much lights out. Like usual its only one or two  plays that kill us and make the stats worse than it actually was. The giants didnt even have a first down until the second quarter. The only thing that has done us in is injuries and fluke plays where two guys run into each other and fall down or some crap. But largely in the first half pees has dialed up some great defernse. The only other problem I see is teams seem to figure out our strategy and make adjustments at half time. We've started out every game pretty well ( other than Cleveland) but the opponents have crawled back into the game once they figure us out.  That's when pees needs to get creative and switch it up- but it seems like making adjustments or having plan Bs just isnt his strong suit. If we could switch up when our opponents finally catch on we can keep them guessing and off balance. But he just  seems to one way and set in his ways. That being said if not for injuries our defense has been great so far. We just HAVE to get more pressure- and like you said he hasn't been very creative.

Edited October 20, 2016 by January J

[ALPHA]

4 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

The end of an era, this is sad. All the guys I looked up to as a kid are gone. Ngata is the only one and he's in Detroit. Suggs looks slow, could be mostly rust but I've noticed he's jumping the line trying to get to the QB early. All the sacks I've seen have been coverage sacks, nothing that he's created with a push. I am open to being corrected, but from what I've seen it does not look as good as we would all like or have come to expect from him

Suggs tore his bicep