Why not play Correa?

[flynismo]

On 10/19/2016 at 8:12 AM, trevorsteadman said:

But who really saw Orr becoming what he is now

I actually liked Orr a lot; I'm not that surprised that he's playing as well as he is, especially considering what a great job the DL has been doing. I think there's a lot more to come from him; he could be our new Bart Scott.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Stop spamming all the threads with this. Great way to make sure people DON'T trust your app, nobody trusts a spammer.

It's been taken care of.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

It's been taken care of.

Thanks, that guy was getting ridiculous

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I actually liked Orr a lot; I'm not that surprised that he's playing as well as he is, especially considering what a great job the DL has been doing. I think there's a lot more to come from him; he could be our new Bart Scott.

Like that comparison. Works on several levels.

He's been an MVP type candidate for this defense. He and Weddle have been arguably the two most consistent play makers on defense (aside from Mosley who'd prob be my top if he wasn't currently injured).

Having a guy like Orr next to Mosley has been such a vast improvement over last year's rotation and reliance on an aging Daryl Smith. He was still a good player but couldnt cover like he used to and wasnt able to cover as much space in pursuit. Orr is playing great coverage, stuffing the run, tackling everything that moves, forcing TO's, just everything you want.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Just now, flynismo said:

Thanks, that guy was getting ridiculous

Literally every thread in Ravens Talk... the mods were right on top of it though - thank them.

[GrimCoconut]

I know Correa has athleticism and holds promise as a pass rusher and may develop into a legitimate player for us but I don't like the pick. I knew he'd be a project and I didn't feel like we could afford a project at this time but needed an impact player day 1. I still hold out hope he may become a player for us because I don't want any player we draft to be a bust but Correa concerns me because he is literally a boom or bust pick. Concerns he may never amount to anything are extremely valid. I hope he uses this as an opportunity to show something on the field because we frankly need it badly. 

[Moderator 3]

16 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Literally every thread in Ravens Talk... the mods were right on top of it though - thank them.

Even though it wasn't me, thank you.  There is never a need to quote back spam and it's best if you don't.  We have a one-click tool that blows away spammers and their posts, but it can't catch the quote backs.  If you must react, use the report button to blow up our emails.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I know Correa has athleticism and holds promise as a pass rusher and may develop into a legitimate player for us but I don't like the pick. I knew he'd be a project and I didn't feel like we could afford a project at this time but needed an impact player day 1. I still hold out hope he may become a player for us because I don't want any player we draft to be a bust but Correa concerns me because he is literally a boom or bust pick. Concerns he may never amount to anything are extremely valid. I hope he uses this as an opportunity to show something on the field because we frankly need it badly. 

I like the pick because he seems really versatile. He shows good instincts for zone coverage, and can set the edge too. He might be a bit boom or bust, but if he ends up on the boom side he's an every down OLB that can keep the offense guessing as to what he'll do.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

If he has not earned more playing time / snaps then dont play him you suite up and play the best you got PERIOD!!! Dont get me wrong I want to see him more too but not at the exspence of sitting a guy who has earned his play time.

[GrimCoconut]

20 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I like the pick because he seems really versatile. He shows good instincts for zone coverage, and can set the edge too. He might be a bit boom or bust, but if he ends up on the boom side he's an every down OLB that can keep the offense guessing as to what he'll do.

I don't think he sets the edge well at all. He doesn't really look good at anything except maybe coverage. Once someone gets their hands on him he's done. That will hurt you rushing the passer and setting the edge. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

28 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think he sets the edge well at all. He doesn't really look good at anything except maybe coverage. Once someone gets their hands on him he's done. That will hurt you rushing the passer and setting the edge. 

Yea i agree... he just doesnt hold the point of attack at all.

It would be nice to maybe see a package with 4-3 front where Correa could come in, cover from the OLB position and be used for some delayed blitzes. He's shown an ability to drop into a zone well and read the QB... and with his speed if we could design some gap blitzes for him he could really be effective there; and then also pursuing ball carriers... he works through traffic quickly so long as no one latches on.

But, we cant really change what we're doing to accommodate one guy. Unfortunately, it just seems like theres someone who does each individual aspect better than him right now. Judon's shown better edge rushing. McLellan has been better setting the edge. Orr/Mosley both have been very good in coverage.

There just isnt much of even a situational role for him, unless you take someone arguably better than him off the field.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Yea i agree... he just doesnt hold the point of attack at all.

It would be nice to maybe see a package with 4-3 front where Correa could come in, cover from the OLB position and be used for some delayed blitzes. He's shown an ability to drop into a zone well and read the QB... and with his speed if we could design some gap blitzes for him he could really be effective there; and then also pursuing ball carriers... he works through traffic quickly so long as no one latches on.

But, we cant really change what we're doing to accommodate one guy. Unfortunately, it just seems like theres someone who does each individual aspect better than him right now. Judon's shown better edge rushing. McLellan has been better setting the edge. Orr/Mosley both have been very good in coverage.

There just isnt much of even a situational role for him, unless you take someone arguably better than him off the field.

That's kind of the role he's "playing" now.  Playing is in quotes since he's obviously not playing much.  His time on the field in the preseason was usually in a 4-3 front, with 2 down lineman on the edge and Correa rushing from a 2 point stance.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's kind of the role he's "playing" now.  Playing is in quotes since he's obviously not playing much.  His time on the field in the preseason was usually in a 4-3 front, with 2 down lineman on the edge and Correa rushing from a 2 point stance.

Well that's really all his skill set fits.

I guess what I was trying to say was, for us to get a good look at him, they would have to expand that package and use it more. But, that doesnt necessarily bring out the best in the rest of our personnel... and thats not worth getting Correa into a situation that works for him.

So, it just doesnt seem like theres much of a role for him right now.... unless we make some philosophical changes, we see more injuries, or he just breaks on the scene taking advantage of a small opportunity hes given to rush from the edge with Suggs and Doom out. None are likely.

[Doc]

put me in coach...I'm ready to Play?

[JoeyFlex5]

Any word on whether he or mclellan will be at ilb this week? I will say McClellan is a better olb in a 34 as of now but I really dislike him as an ilb. He holds the point of attack well on the edge but he is far too hesitant as an ilb and is horrible in coverage which is 2 things Correa does well. When there's a space to blast through and make a play Correa is capable, McClellan just doesn't seem to have that ability to take advantage of those open spaces where there is potential to make a play, he's too hesistant and slow. And in coverage Correa is one of the more instinctive zone readers and droppers that we have and obviously moves excellent in space. It needs to be shown that he can do it in extended playing time as opposed to situational play, but I'd really prefer our 34 package to have judon, correa, orr, and McClellan as the lb corps, it's the most natural lineup we have and also the only one with any real playmaking potential.

[Gtown Purple]

Looks like we will be seeing alot of KC this sunday. I think if both sizzle and doom are out albert needs to be outside and KC inside unless CJ somehow comes back.

[VermontRaven]

6 minutes ago, Gtown Purple said:

Looks like we will be seeing alot of KC this sunday. I think if both sizzle and doom are out albert needs to be outside and KC inside unless CJ somehow comes back.

I agree.  Big game for Correa.  It definitely will be interesting to see how they use him.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, flynismo said:

I actually liked Orr a lot; I'm not that surprised that he's playing as well as he is, especially considering what a great job the DL has been doing. I think there's a lot more to come from him; he could be our new Bart Scott.

But did you see this coming when he was first brought in?

[Rav'n Maniac]

Does anyone know why we don't use our DE's in the outside rush positions? I know we have, for the most part, used OLB's but, considering our injury situation and the lack of rush we had after Suggs went down, wouldn't it make sense at times to use a classic line-up.

(DE - DT - DT - DE).

Edited October 20, 2016 by Rav'n Maniac

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But did you see this coming when he was first brought in?

Oh heck no. I thought he was solid in coverage and would be a decent backup. Maybe even a good backup. But this? Heck no

Edited October 20, 2016 by flynismo

[Virginia 55]

On 10/19/2016 at 2:42 PM, usmccharles said:

Such great insight here.  

Allow me to elaborate.  He's weak for a linebacker.  

Doesn't know how to use his hands to fight off blockers. < This is a product of being weak.

The speed and high motor that got him here, I have yet to see.

 

Overall,

This was a developmental pick. This pick should have never been made in the second round.

Maybe a fourth of fifth round talent.   

 

On 10/19/2016 at 2:42 PM, usmccharles said:

Such great insight here.  

 

[usmccharles]

10 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Allow me to elaborate.  He's weak for a linebacker.  

Doesn't know how to use his hands to fight off blockers. < This is a product of being weak.

The speed and high motor that got him here, I have yet to see.

Overall,

This was a developmental pick. This pick should have never been made in the second round.

Maybe a fourth of fifth round talent.   

While I have stated numerous times im not any type of scout and don't break down film, but I can agree with what you said.  I would of much rather had Yannick Ngakoue, Cravens, MCK Alexander, Spence at this pick. 

[PurpleHorseman]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

While I have stated numerous times im not any type of scout and don't break down film, but I can agree with what you said.  I would of much rather had Yannick Ngakoue, Cravens, MCK Alexander, Spence at this pick. 

What is going on with Boise State OLB's? Get to the NFL and seem weak for their position. McClellan has similar problems.

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Virginia 55 said:

Allow me to elaborate.  He's weak for a linebacker.  

Doesn't know how to use his hands to fight off blockers. < This is a product of being weak.

The speed and high motor that got him here, I have yet to see.

 

Overall,

This was a developmental pick. This pick should have never been made in the second round.

Maybe a fourth of fifth round talent.   

 

 

 

His upside was too good for him to be considered a fourth or fifth round talent. Before the draft there were some mentioning of him going in the first round . Developmental picks get drafted high in  the draft all the time but Correa struggles right now could be  attribute to the fact that he still learning the game and rightfully so because he's a rookie.

[Edgar]

I think he does a good job setting the edge in college and I've seen that continue so far.

 

[Edgar]

23 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

His upside was too good for him to be considered a fourth or fifth round talent. Before the draft there were some mentioning of him going in the first round . Developmental picks get drafted high in  the draft all the time but Correa struggles right now could be  attribute to the fact that he still learning the game and rightfully so because he's a rookie.

Yes. He was an upside pick. I had him as a third rounder.

[Virginia 55]

14 hours ago, usmccharles said:

While I have stated numerous times im not any type of scout and don't break down film, but I can agree with what you said.  I would of much rather had Yannick Ngakoue, Cravens, MCK Alexander, Spence at this pick. 

I agree. Cravens I was very high on. 

 

[Virginia 55]

13 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

His upside was too good for him to be considered a fourth or fifth round talent. Before the draft there were some mentioning of him going in the first round . Developmental picks get drafted high in  the draft all the time but Correa struggles right now could be  attribute to the fact that he still learning the game and rightfully so because he's a rookie.

There are plenty of rookie linebackers getting run right now.  Correa is not playing because he is weak and the game is too big for him right now. 

This was a terrible pick. 

[Virginia 55]

17 hours ago, Doc said:

put me in coach...I'm ready to Play?

I was just playing coach.

I don't want to play.

I need to hit the weights and i need time to digest my play book.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Virginia 55 said:

I was just playing coach.

I don't want to play.

I need to hit the weights and i need time to digest my play book.

I also need to trim my arm pits.