Why not play Correa?

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7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Haven't fans learned their lesson about the whole "lets give our depth guys a shot when the starters aren't playing well" thing already? I mean how's that been working out for ya this year?

 

 

What does that say about our roster? Why does our depth suck? Why are our starters not good enough?

[kjbmore]

our pass rush is non existent at present and we have a high 2nd round pick tabbed as a pass rusher not even sniffing the field - i know we traded back and picked up a few other guys but there was a whole host of pass rushers available - i just wish we'd get aggressive some time and go after guys we like, rather than let them go else where and we go oh well lets trade back and trade back again - teams must be lining up to take our call so they can move up - whilst we hoard late round picks like theres never going to be another draft

ozzie knows how to handle his business but i really wish we'd step up our draft game and be aggressive, damn decosta saying it was like having 2 first round picks this year because we were picking so high - what have we got to show for it right now - stanley and what else - a ST'er

I know we all gushed over moore, dixon and judon but they arent helping us - i wish we'd be a bit more NOW focused and be aggressive in grabbing high end talent and not scared to double dip and load up at positions of need could have grabbed stanley, turned around and packaged some picks, gone and got dodd and double dipped and gone after another pass rusher - know kaufasi got injured 

id rather start packaging up my abundance of late round picks to move up and start getting high end talent that is going to help this team cos right now we have a whole heap of guys who are promising but arent making a difference - i think this is is starting to show with our team - we got burnt by high end talent today and we couldnt answer back because we dont have our own high end talent

 

[Edreedbest20]

Just my philosophy, but a player on the bench is useless. Let him get his feet wet. Coaches determine ability and readiness based off practice and practice drill, when, in fact, some players are better game players. Put him in some downs and let him work. Too many times have we stuff players down the depth chart that we drafted and they go somewhere else and shine( ex: John Simon, LB, Texans). Better to see what he have now rather than later

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, jdynamite said:

 

Sometimes players need a chance just a shot at real game time action to prove themselves..  Makes me think of how Ellerbe was essentially benched behind McClain for a full season, finally got back on field after a million injuries and played great when he got the chance or when Kruger was moved all around, then didn't play finally got a chance as pass rusher actually did something... 

We never even got to see A.Brown fail or succeed on the field. 

Currently pass rush is struggling to win battles upfront, McClellan doesn't do much well other than set the edge and play special teams so Correa ideally should get some of those snaps from McClellan. 

I had similar discussion on here a few weeks ago but it was about me calling for Urshel to play LG over Jensen, to which someone said he hasn't earned it.  Now I replied Urshel was fighting for the starting job until he got injured, kid played well at LG & center his rookie year we've seen him be productive and look much better than Jensen did in that Raiders game.  Now Urshel is playing and creating holes for the run game the last 2 weeks, he's not just spinning around every single pass play. It's a serviceable upgrade. 

 

If he was ready, he'd be on the field.  It's not about a chance with him.  He actually spent a lot of his time on the edge in the preseason and got very little going.  He needs to improve a lot of things - hand usage, shedding blocks, strength - before he's ready to play.  It's not like he's just whittling away on the bench.  He's got a lot of work to do, and he always has since he's been drafted.

[JoeyFlex5]

14 hours ago, mmcclend said:

Who would have been your pick? At the time I said Derrick Henry but the way west is playing we could do without. I'm curious to hear your opinion. 

Cody whitehair. Sua cravens. Michael Thomas. Jason spriggs. Nick martin. mackensie Alexander.

I liked the pick, I'm not calling him a bust anytime soon, I think he's gonna be good but he's gonna take a while. But I would've liked other picks more at the time and in hindsight. 

By the way this may be unrelated but how is Jason spriggs doing?

[JoeyFlex5]

If kc gets on the field it won't be as an edge rusher. If you saw him there in preseason you would agree. He gets a full head of steam and then gets blasted off his feet by backpedaling tackles. It's hilarious. He has looked ok at ilb though. Id prefer to see him in instead of McClellan but he isn't taking snaps from orr who has been lights out.

[Dfence4champs2052]

With Suggs and Doom predicted to miss some time, we probably will see an uptick in his playing time. We are running out of healthy players everywhere.

Edited October 19, 2016 by Dfence4champs2052

[Dfence4champs2052]

On 10/17/2016 at 2:00 AM, Edreedbest20 said:

Just my philosophy, but a player on the bench is useless. Let him get his feet wet. Coaches determine ability and readiness based off practice and practice drill, when, in fact, some players are better game players. Put him in some downs and let him work. Too many times have we stuff players down the depth chart that we drafted and they go somewhere else and shine( ex: John Simon, LB, Texans). Better to see what he have now rather than later

JAMES HARRISON.

[Edgar]

Increase snaps gradually. 

[usmccharles]

On 10/16/2016 at 5:46 PM, mmcclend said:

Who would have been your pick? At the time I said Derrick Henry but the way west is playing we could do without. I'm curious to hear your opinion. 

 

On 10/17/2016 at 8:19 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Cody whitehair. Sua cravens. Michael Thomas. Jason spriggs. Nick martin. mackensie Alexander.

I liked the pick, I'm not calling him a bust anytime soon, I think he's gonna be good but he's gonna take a while. But I would've liked other picks more at the time and in hindsight. 

By the way this may be unrelated but how is Jason spriggs doing?

Ill be the first to admit i dont know a lot about college football nor the players, but due to our terrible year last year i was pretty active reading in the draft section, learned a lot.  With all my reading about prospects i never came across KC at all.  That being said, in the second i really wanted Cravens, Dodd, Alexander, and im sure there was a couple more in my mock drafts that im leaving out.  Its just pretty discouraging to have a 2nd round pick offer nothing at all, while im still not questioning Ozzie because he no doubt knows more than me, im just disappointed that we didnt get instant Caribbean coffee in the second round.  

Oh yea, i really wanted Yannick Ngakoue, he already has 4 sacks this year.  http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/68259-marine-mock-20/

[usmccharles]

On 10/16/2016 at 5:49 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Well then why not let Weddle rush the passer? Or how about bringing in like Yanda to do it?

I mean again, I think fans should have learned their lesson by now when it comes to calling for depth guys to play over guys who they already lost a competition to just because the starter isn't playing well.

I've heard "give me more Jensen" multiple times this season... that's quieted down the last few weeks. I've heard give me more Judon for the last two weeks... how'd he do today, in a prime spot to make a statement for more snaps?

I mean as far as I recall, I believe Correa spent more time in the preseason at ILB rather than OLB, so one would think that's where he would be more likely to get playing time.

Seems a bit premature to be taking snaps from Judon and ZaDarius, since we know those are about the only handful of guys who will actually be here next year. 

Only issue i have with waiting for players to see the field, i just dont want to see another McPhee situtation.  Finally gets playing time, comes in, lights it up, then plays himself out of Baltimore because we wont pay the money to keep him: not saying we should have paid McPhee that money.  I just dont see the pick making sense, but judging 6 games isnt really enough, especially when he doesnt even play. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On 10/16/2016 at 8:13 PM, Sami84 said:

forget elite ..

 

even '' very good'' talent is lacking

Very good talent:

Yanda, Stanley, SSS, Pitta, Jernigan, Suggs, Williams, Dumervil, Mosley, ( Orr is on the brink), Weddle, Smith. 

Those guys not playing makes a huge difference.

[PurpleCity5]

He's just not ready. I hope to see more of him soon, but even coming into the draft everyone knew how raw of a prospect he was. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Very good talent:

Yanda, Stanley, SSS, Pitta, Jernigan, Suggs, Williams, Dumervil, Mosley, ( Orr is on the brink), Weddle, Smith. 

Those guys not playing makes a huge difference.

While i agree we have some good talent, some of these players are basically done here in Baltimore.  And honestly, Suggs and Doom returning next year is not a guarantee and SSr isnt, while Williams might leave in FA.  Really hope Kafusi turns into a monster, still havent even seen him. 

[ALPHA]

On 10/17/2016 at 5:49 AM, JoeyFlex5 said:

If kc gets on the field it won't be as an edge rusher. If you saw him there in preseason you would agree. He gets a full head of steam and then gets blasted off his feet by backpedaling tackles. It's hilarious. He has looked ok at ilb though. Id prefer to see him in instead of McClellan but he isn't taking snaps from orr who has been lights out.

I noticed that too, hopefully it's just a case of poor technique or lack of strength development. If it's still happening in 3 years then it's a real issue.

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

Ill be the first to admit i dont know a lot about college football nor the players, but due to our terrible year last year i was pretty active reading in the draft section, learned a lot.  With all my reading about prospects i never came across KC at all.  That being said, in the second i really wanted Cravens, Dodd, Alexander, and im sure there was a couple more in my mock drafts that im leaving out.  Its just pretty discouraging to have a 2nd round pick offer nothing at all, while im still not questioning Ozzie because he no doubt knows more than me, im just disappointed that we didnt get instant Caribbean coffee in the second round.  

Oh yea, i really wanted Yannick Ngakoue, he already has 4 sacks this year.  http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/68259-marine-mock-20/

Kevin dodd was my A1 prospect. I hated ngakoue though and I'm surprised he's doing so well, he had some really ugly moments on m film.

And for KC he was actually tossed around as a potential DROY lol. I said for a while that I preferred kyler fackrell in the 2nd and I valued him enough to take him after a trade back, and the topic of kc vs fackrell actually came up and I said I orefered fackrell and I got lit up for it lol... Green bay took him a few picks later and he has done fairly well as An all around OLB.

[trevorsteadman]

32 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Kevin dodd was my A1 prospect. I hated ngakoue though and I'm surprised he's doing so well, he had some really ugly moments on m film.

And for KC he was actually tossed around as a potential DROY lol. I said for a while that I preferred kyler fackrell in the 2nd and I valued him enough to take him after a trade back, and the topic of kc vs fackrell actually came up and I said I orefered fackrell and I got lit up for it lol... Green bay took him a few picks later and he has done fairly well as An all around OLB.

Difference is.... Utah State is known for coaching really good linebackers. Boise State didn't teach Correa anything. We knew Correa would take awhile to develop. People wanted those players with high ceilings after the Elam and A. Brown picks. Now they can't give them the light of day to catch on....

Also I know that Correa has been inactive for most games and hasn't played much... But who really saw Orr becoming what he is now. My god we may have a top 5 inside linebacker core in the league. Watching Mosley and Orr on Sunday reminds me a little bit of Kuechly and Davis (when his knee isn't in 5 pieces). I am very happy with our inside group and I think we need to start building on the edges of our defense we have a nice middle of our defense on all levels. We need younger pass rushers to develop which may be Correa in a year or so or maybe even Kaufusi. And we also need cornerbacks... Hopefully we can find another Jimmy Smith in the draft. 

[The Raven]

On 10/16/2016 at 8:49 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Well then why not let Weddle rush the passer? Or how about bringing in like Yanda to do it?

I mean again, I think fans should have learned their lesson by now when it comes to calling for depth guys to play over guys who they already lost a competition to just because the starter isn't playing well.

I've heard "give me more Jensen" multiple times this season... that's quieted down the last few weeks. I've heard give me more Judon for the last two weeks... how'd he do today, in a prime spot to make a statement for more snaps?

I mean as far as I recall, I believe Correa spent more time in the preseason at ILB rather than OLB, so one would think that's where he would be more likely to get playing time.

Seems a bit premature to be taking snaps from Judon and ZaDarius, since we know those are about the only handful of guys who will actually be here next year. 

Yeah, because he's on the field and playing pretty well at RG. He was straight fire at the end of last year, too. Had a rough game at LG but he's got it together now.

I'd like Correa to get more snaps but he's far from ready. I know his fanboys will say strength is not the issue, but... Dude is weak as hell and can't do jack once a tackle touches him. I said that much when we drafted him. He's just not strong at the point of attack. He won't survive at OLB/DE in that case.

Judon needs to figure out his technique and goddammit we have to get Zadarius in some kind of yoga class to get him to bend better

Edited October 19, 2016 by The Raven

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Yeah, because he's on the field and playing pretty well at RG. He was straight fire at the end of last year, too. Had a rough game at LG but he's got it together now.

I'd like Correa to get more snaps but he's far from ready. I know his fanboys will say strength is not the issue, but... Dude is weak as hell and can't do jack once a tackle touches him. I said that much when we drafted him. He's just not strong at the point of attack. He won't survive at OLB/DE in that case.

Judon needs to figure out his technique and goddammit we have to get Zadarius in some kind of yoga class to get him to bend better

That's my biggest concern.  Once engaged with a lineman, he's not getting off the block.  It's worrisome because the guy is already in great shape.  I don't know that his frame can even add more weight.  He needs to get his speed game going, and he really needs to work on leverage as well.  There's a lot he needs to work on before he's ready for any significant snaps.  With that being said, I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

[trevorsteadman]

26 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's my biggest concern.  Once engaged with a lineman, he's not getting off the block.  It's worrisome because the guy is already in great shape.  I don't know that his frame can even add more weight.  He needs to get his speed game going, and he really needs to work on leverage as well.  There's a lot he needs to work on before he's ready for any significant snaps.  With that being said, I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.

Thats why I think they put him at inside in the offseason... I think he is a better fit there. 

[Rav'n Maniac]

I think it's obvious at this point that the Ravens have no plans to use KC at OLB and I'm fine with that. Where I'm concerned is with the injury to Mosley, I thought he would see some time there and he really didn't. They chose to go with experience and a banged up McClellan there instead. Not looking too good for him getting time this season.

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I think it's obvious at this point that the Ravens have no plans to use KC at OLB and I'm fine with that.

I have a huge problem with that; it's the only position on this team he has any chance of playing to his potential at. I have no idea what the hell the coaches are thinking here.

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

I think it's obvious at this point that the Ravens have no plans to use KC at OLB and I'm fine with that. Where I'm concerned is with the injury to Mosley, I thought he would see some time there and he really didn't. They chose to go with experience and a banged up McClellan there instead. Not looking too good for him getting time this season.

Correa actually played more OLB in the preseason than he did ILB.  It looks like he's the emergency ILB, but from all accounts, it sounds like they moved him back outside.

[Virginia 55]

The guy stinks. 

Period!

I won't sugar coat this.  It's a wasted pick early.

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

The guy stinks. 

Period!

I won't sugar coat this.  It's a wasted pick early.

Such great insight here.  

[edthehead]

2nd round pick,

play em,

get him on the field if he can not make it

then we need an evaluation of how we pick,,

[Rav'n Maniac]

3 hours ago, flynismo said:

I have a huge problem with that; it's the only position on this team he has any chance of playing to his potential at. I have no idea what the hell the coaches are thinking here.

 

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Correa actually played more OLB in the preseason than he did ILB.  It looks like he's the emergency ILB, but from all accounts, it sounds like they moved him back outside.

Hope you guys are right and i'm sure when they begin to use him, it will be where he can succeed the most and best benefit the team. Whatever comes of it, I will remain fine with the teams decision. 

[ravefan52]

I had an early 4th round grade on Correa and liked Fackrell way more. I hope I'm wrong, but I just really didn't see anything in him that made me believe he could translate to the NFL.

[gtalk12]

I feel like most of our issues would be fixed if Stanley was healthy believe it or not

[JoeyFlex5]

On 10/19/2016 at 8:12 AM, trevorsteadman said:

Difference is.... Utah State is known for coaching really good linebackers. Boise State didn't teach Correa anything. We knew Correa would take awhile to develop. People wanted those players with high ceilings after the Elam and A. Brown picks. Now they can't give them the light of day to catch on....

Also I know that Correa has been inactive for most games and hasn't played much... But who really saw Orr becoming what he is now. My god we may have a top 5 inside linebacker core in the league. Watching Mosley and Orr on Sunday reminds me a little bit of Kuechly and Davis (when his knee isn't in 5 pieces). I am very happy with our inside group and I think we need to start building on the edges of our defense we have a nice middle of our defense on all levels. We need younger pass rushers to develop which may be Correa in a year or so or maybe even Kaufusi. And we also need cornerbacks... Hopefully we can find another Jimmy Smith in the draft. 

I should've mentioned I'm actually all for KC. I'm a big fan and supporter. he's a dog when he's out there playing by instinct but the problem is that he isn't playing by instinct. I know he's a project but honestly I'm surprised he's done so little.