The good the bad and the ugly post game rant/vent week six

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Is someone seriously blaming Pees for Weddle and Young crashing into each other and Odell going off when our corners get hurt?

 

Smh... Seriously Dean Pees is the least of the teams worries right now. Notice how only a handful of people are complaining. 

47 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

we had 1 good drive which was the very first 1.

not sure what other drives you are referring to.

 

we would get a few first downs, then the penalty hits forcing us to change our plays for the drive. 

We'd be moving the ball. Penalties killed drives. It's a simple concept to understand.

[redrum52]

3 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

we had 1 good drive which was the very first 1.

not sure what other drives you are referring to.

Exactly.  Why the hell don't people see this.  There was no kind of rhythm or consistency on offense.  A lot of the struggles yesterday were on Flacco.  When it wasn't him, it was mostly the OL and false starts.  I can't really blame the wrs for yesterday.  Guys were getting open. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Exactly.  Why the hell don't people see this.  There was no kind of rhythm or consistency on offense.  A lot of the struggles yesterday were on Flacco.  When it wasn't him, it was mostly the OL and false starts.  I can't really blame the wrs for yesterday.  Guys were getting open. 

I'd actually reverse it. I'm not praising Joe over the game but I think the oline was the bigger problem. Especially since there were some plays where the protection was awful(mostly coming from everyone's favorite turnstile Hurst), but that problem will solve itself when everyone returns.

Flacco needed to play better but he didn't blow the game for us so you can't really pin the loss on him.

 

factor in adjusting to a new play caller(and yes, it matters. Trestman was using Kubiaks playbook and he sucked), injuries on the line and I'm not surprised offense didn't do well. But the offense looked a hell of a lot better than vs the raiders and redskins with a backup line.

 

Theres a lot here to like tbh

 

[Tru11]

48 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Is someone seriously blaming Pees for Weddle and Young crashing into each other and Odell going off when our corners get hurt?

 

Smh... Seriously Dean Pees is the least of the teams worries right now. Notice how only a handful of people are complaining. 

we would get a few first downs, then the penalty hits forcing us to change our plays for the drive. 

We'd be moving the ball. Penalties killed drives. It's a simple concept to understand.

seems like a cop out to blame penalties alone tbh.

players where missing blocks , dropping good thrown passes , bad passes where thrown and such, 

i saw more then penalties being the issue.

not sure what makes you think that the offense was perfect besides the penalties.....

[rmcjacket23]

25 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

Yeah no because they are Buffalo, Cleveland and Jacksonville lol I even said then the same old conservative late game scheme would not work as we started to face real live offensive football teams.  So you ignore the fact that the other 3 games, what happened in the 4th? And we lost didn't we? Not to mention, all those games last season, and before that, and before that. Feel free to go look up how many 4th quarter leads we've given up, I already calculated it last year and all the Pees' crowd ignored the fact that by the time I stopped counting, we lost 60% of the time. And that doesn't even count the late leads the defense has given up that we still won.

So now we are down from losing every time to 60% of the time?

Quite a steep drop off in exaggerations there isn't it?

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Exactly.  Why the hell don't people see this.  There was no kind of rhythm or consistency on offense.  A lot of the struggles yesterday were on Flacco.  When it wasn't him, it was mostly the OL and false starts.  I can't really blame the wrs for yesterday.  Guys were getting open. 

they dont want to see it lol.

apparently the offense was perfect outside of the penalties called i guess.

i mean i saw juice missing a block on that 4th and 1 or hurst blocking nobody on an all out blitz or flacco throwing it to god knows who trying to throw a pass away to the middle of the field or receivers dropping catchable balls and such...

[Tru11]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So now we are down from losing every time to 60% of the time?

Quite a steep drop off in exaggerations there isn't it?

ow this is nothing.

any time now she will come up with her own made up statistics lol

[gtalk12]

Injuries once again caught the best of us, defense looked good out there to be honest. Can someone tell me who was playing deep and knocked into Young on the last TD by ODB?

 

We aren't getting to the QB enough, again that falls down to injuries. I think Pees is doing a great job out there, our offense is not bailing them out at all. We had some massive plays, which was great to see. Flacco isn't throwing INT's as aggressive as he has been, Perriman is showing little by little why he can make plays not many other players can. He is going to need sometime though, but at least once a game he makes a catch that leaves me scratching my head, and I mean that in a good way. The run game little by little is coming back to us.

 

 

OL is riddled with injuries and John H is looking crazy because his aggressive play-calling isn't working right now. Maybe we should rely on Justin T a bit more and get sure points until we are clicking better on the offensive side. 3-3 right now, still in the mix of things.

[redrum52]

14 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'd actually reverse it. I'm not praising Joe over the game but I think the oline was the bigger problem. Especially since there were some plays where the protection was awful(mostly coming from everyone's favorite turnstile Hurst), but that problem will solve itself when everyone returns.

Flacco needed to play better but he didn't blow the game for us so you can't really pin the loss on him.

 

factor in adjusting to a new play caller(and yes, it matters. Trestman was using Kubiaks playbook and he sucked), injuries on the line and I'm not surprised offense didn't do well. But the offense looked a hell of a lot better than vs the raiders and redskins with a backup line.

 

Theres a lot here to like tbh

 

I should've started a new paragraph.  I wasn't saying you were praising him, just that the offense as a whole sucked yesterday.  The only drive they put together was the 1st , which still only resulted in a fg.  After the Tavon pick, didn't they still get a holding or falso start that moved back the position they were given?  The box score for that game would be incredibly deceiving if you didn't watch it.

Edited October 17, 2016 by redrum52

[gtalk12]

oh, and the penalties that keep on coming from the OL REALLY REALLY NEED TO STOP

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

10 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

seems like a cop out to blame penalties alone tbh.

players where missing blocks , dropping good thrown passes , bad passes where thrown and such, 

i saw more then penalties being the issue.

not sure what makes you think that the offense was perfect besides the penalties.....

 

If you go back to my previous analysis penalties are only part of the problem. The backup offensive line played like backups would. Of course the sole reason isn't penalties smh

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I had a lot of bad things I pointed out after the 3rd loss in a row. I liked how more shots were taken down field and how West was running the ball heck all of the first quarter and half way through the second quarter the Ravens were playing pretty good considering all the guys filling in for starters. 3 losses in a row is just hard to stomach.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

I should've started a new paragraph.  I wasn't saying you were praising him, just that the offense as a while sucked yesterday.  The only lyrics drive they put together was the 1st , which still only resulted in a fg.  After the Tavon pick, didn't they still get a holding or fs that moved back the position they were given?  The box score for that game would be incredibly deceiving if you didn't watch it.

 

It did, except for the running game. That looked good. Offense sucking always starts up with the line which at times was not adequately protecting Joe. Just ask Phillip Rivers, pretty good NFL quarterback. I honestly feel sorry for him because his team neglects him and refuses to give him a good line which holds that team back. 

In our case we had backups playing, and not only did they play like backups on the field, they had boneheaded penalties. Which makes life that much harder for Joe. Yet in spite of us looking bad, we looked a hell of a lot better than we did the previous few weeks, and a big part is the playcalling. Even you have to admit the playcalling was a hell of a lot better.

 

It's still possible for us to have a good offense later in the year... If the oline can get healthy anytime soon. 

And I did watch the game, granted my feed was a second or two behind from real time, but I watched. I really liked the variety of plays being called, and the run game should be even better when we get the starters back as well. 

[usmccharles]

49 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

When's the last time a team had a +3 TO differential and lost?

No clue.  

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It did, except for the running game. That looked good. Offense sucking always starts up with the line which at times was not adequately protecting Joe. Just ask Phillip Rivers, pretty good NFL quarterback. I honestly feel sorry for him because his team neglects him and refuses to give him a good line which holds that team back.

They've invested a lot into their line, via FA and the draft... they just can't stay healthy consistently. Otherwise, that's a pretty good unit...

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If you go back to my previous analysis penalties are only part of the problem. The backup offensive line played like backups would. Of course the sole reason isn't penalties smh

the post i replied to had you talking about penalties alone which is what i addressed.

[Darhk_Raven]

24 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

oh, and the penalties that keep on coming from the OL REALLY REALLY NEED TO STOP

It's not just a OL problem, its a team problem that the players need to take ownership of and correct. We are tied with the Raiders for 52 penalties which is a league high.

[Tank 92]

56 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

It's no defense vs offense, it's who underperforming.  I said the defense sucked in 15 until they started playing better in the later half.  Have also called out ST this year.  I also wasn't fond of Mattison and even called out Ray and Ed their last seasons here.  Every part of the team needs to carry out their job, coaches and FO included.

lol....yeah OK. carry on.

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

i didn't read through this whole thread, but I'm curious.  Is there still random Jimmy hate or are we finally going to lay that complaint to rest?

This is the second time we've gotten a good taste of the Ravens secondary, and defense, without Jimmy Smith and it's something I'd rather not experience.  On various social media, including here, I see him called out horribly the second he allows one catch.  Outside of probably the Raiders game last season, I can't remember the last time he gave up over 70 yards to a receiver or multiple TDs (even one is rare for him but it happens as it has once so far this season).  He's no primetime or 2009-2011 Revis, but he's a pretty good corner that greatly helps the team just by being out there

I'm sure other things have been discussed heavily, but that's just one comment I wanted to make.

I have never understood his hate for even one second, the people that criticized him are the fans that expect perfection on every play when it simply is impossible at the NFL level.

[HoldingCall]

This is interesting, comparing us to a winless team. After six games this season we've scored four points more than the Browns. Worst, they've scored three more TDs and without a starting QB.  The team has only 2 net points on the season. Lastly, penalties, are growing.

Some possible solutions! Continue improving the run game and increase the number of run plays toward better balance. Since, a strong pass rush by oppossing team is known to affect the offense greatly, work on down field run blocking, Increase use of screens and delayed run plays. 

[redlobster]

I didn't get a chance to see the game, but what is the issue with the qb sneak at the goalline? Is flacco incapable of jumping over the pile enough to extend the ball then protect himself? I see brady and other qb's do it, some that are much less athletic than Flacco (brady included).

Edited October 17, 2016 by redlobster

[GrimCoconut]

I can't tell who has Harbaugh pissed off in his press conference today. You can tell he's upset but absolved the OL of any fault. 

[OUravensfan]

19 minutes ago, redlobster said:

I didn't get a chance to see the game, but what is the issue with the qb sneak at the goalline? Is flacco incapable of jumping over the pile enough to extend the ball then protect himself? I see brady and other qb's do it, some that are much less athletic than Flacco (brady included).

Flacco might be 40/44 on QB sneaks in his career, it got sniffed out and stuffed, it happens. Flacco is good at the QB sneak, I was shocked he didn't get in becAuse he always gets in.

[Filmstudy]

2 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Flacco might be 40/44 on QB sneaks in his career, it got sniffed out and stuffed, it happens. Flacco is good at the QB sneak, I was shocked he didn't get in becAuse he always gets in.

No Yanda was a problem.  Urschel and Zuttah are not maulers.

[Tank 92]

Just now, Filmstudy said:

No Yanda was a problem.  Urschel and Zuttah are not maulers.

Yeah, there were gints up the middle and in the backfield as soon as the ball was hiked.

[January J]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Is someone seriously blaming Pees for Weddle and Young crashing into each other and Odell going off when our corners get hurt?

 

Smh... Seriously Dean Pees is the least of the teams worries right now. Notice how only a handful of people are complaining. 

we would get a few first downs, then the penalty hits forcing us to change our plays for the drive. 

We'd be moving the ball. Penalties killed drives. It's a simple concept to understand.

Exactly.

25 minutes ago, redlobster said:

I didn't get a chance to see the game, but what is the issue with the qb sneak at the goalline? Is flacco incapable of jumping over the pile enough to extend the ball then protect himself? I see brady and other qb's do it, some that are much less athletic than Flacco (brady included).

That play really baffled me. Looked  like he showed no effort to extend the ball at all. Atleast put a lineman behind him to push him. That was just a wasted down. Should've just punched it up the gut with west twice in a row. If they stop you then so be it but that was our best chance at scoring. He had the hot hand. And a sweep outside is not a good call for a bigger power back. Juice did miss the block and he should've cut in,but still should've just went right up the middle. Man I hate hindsight.

[DomMcRaven]

On a completely different yet relevant note, congratulations to Odell Beckham Jr on his engagement with the kicking net! Not sure how it'll work out, but whatever.

[ravensdfan]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So now we are down from losing every time to 60% of the time?

Quite a steep drop off in exaggerations there isn't it?

Never said all the time. Said we are losing games - enough that keeps us out of contention. But thanks for ignoring the fact that 60% of our losses have come on a late 4th quarter lead the defense has given up. Someone, not sure if it was you, asked me to calculate the same for the offense. I did so when the offense had the ball at the end with at least 2 mins. left. Those came to just under 20%. That is a pretty big differential. And that is just the losses. There were plenty of wins where the defense gave up the late 4th quarter lead, in some games more than once, and the offense scored to win the game.

That is only when I stopped counting, not certain at what point in the season that happened. Everyone ignored those facts.

Do I think the offense this season is doing them any favors? No I don't. That doesn't change the fact the Pees bend but don't break style breaks more often than it bends.

[Doomville]

If we were getting blown out, i would definitely argue that injuries are a huge reason we lost. But you know what, we are still able to keep the games close and have had the chance to win every single one we lost. Now, there are two ways you can interpret it

1. Even with all the injuries, our team is good enough to keep the games close and have a chance to win.

2. If we can keep the games close with all these injuries, then why can't we close out a single one? This is what kills me. You can argue that injuries are why we lost but the fact is that we could have won every single game we lost but we could not close out.

Also, harbaugh needs to install discipline. We are one of worst in the league at that and this falls on coaches as much as it falls on the players.

[gooftroop]

2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

Flacco might be 40/44 on QB sneaks in his career, it got sniffed out and stuffed, it happens. Flacco is good at the QB sneak, I was shocked he didn't get in becAuse he always gets in.

Aye. Given our lousy short-down rushing performance, I've been yelling for the qb sneak almost every time we're 3rd or 4th and less than two yards...