The good the bad and the ugly post game rant/vent week six

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

We have the worst players, worst coaching staff, worst FO, worst owner, and possibly the worst uniforms.

Is it even a question at this point? 

 

Lets see how long it takes the mods to figure out this isnt a serious thread. It's camouflaged well with the rest of em popping up. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

btw - sorry to the Mod that has to delete this. Making extra work for you wasnt my intention.

[Tru11]

wrong forum.

although do the browns have a forum?

[BmoreBird22]

17 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I get the disdain for not kicking the FG, but I thought that was the right call in this situation.  With a defense badly wounded, I think you had to take what was likely your best shot at 7 points for the time being.  If it didn't work out, it put the Giants in bad field position.

Regardless, it's still on the players to execute.  If Juice makes his block, we might be talking a whole different ball game.  It's all a game of ifs though.  Hindsight makes it look bad, but I still think it was the right call.  Remember that all it takes is one play to completely change a game.  Just because we get 3 doesn't mean we win because all situations change after that choice.

The reason I didn't like it is because a ballsy call in the previous two games were a huge difference maker in the final outcome. Not allowing the Raiders to kick the FG (which I agreed with at the time) and then the fake FG against the Raiders loomed very large at the end. 

Had this been an isolated incident, I might feel differently, but three weeks in a row that a decision like this makes a major difference at the end? I'm not feeling it.

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The reason I didn't like it is because a ballsy call in the previous two games were a huge difference maker in the final outcome. Not allowing the Raiders to kick the FG (which I agreed with at the time) and then the fake FG against the Raiders loomed very large at the end. 

Had this been an isolated incident, I might feel differently, but three weeks in a row that a decision like this makes a major difference at the end? I'm not feeling it.

I'm choosing to look at it as an independent decision.  Had he not made mistakes in the previous 2 weeks, not many people would be jumping up and down on Harbaugh because it likely was the right decision.  His ineptitude the previous 2 weeks is what made the decision look bad, at least in my opinion.

[Moderator 3]

15 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

btw - sorry to the Mod that has to delete this. Making extra work for you wasnt my intention.

Merged into the vent thread, where it belonged.

[BmoreBird22]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm choosing to look at it as an independent decision.  Had he not made mistakes in the previous 2 weeks, not many people would be jumping up and down on Harbaugh because it likely was the right decision.  His ineptitude the previous 2 weeks is what made the decision look bad, at least in my opinion.

And that I agree with and that's the reason that I just couldn't help but shake my head.

The Ravens very well had a chance to be 4-1, maybe 5-0 going into this game, but lost it due to questionable decisions. 

And really, that's just part of earning the benefit of the doubt. If you don't make questionable decisions, the one time you do, people won't mind. You do it frequently and everyone will jump down your throat when you do.

It's just that two weeks in a row, the Ravens needed points and left them on the field. That's demoralizing to an offense, in my opinion.

[Tru11]

13 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

They didn't have nearly as many penalties as we did and one of those turnovers was meaningless as it was at the end of the half. If we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly on offense with the stupid holding penalties we probably would have won. Instead those happened and destroyed our momentum. 

the ravens had 15 penalties for 111 yards while the giants had 7 penalties for 119 yards.

id say they have a lot more to complain about with some questionable calls going against them and others not being called in their favor....

saw wright tackling the WR in the endzone before either touched the ball lol.

 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

And that I agree with and that's the reason that I just couldn't help but shake my head.

The Ravens very well had a chance to be 4-1, maybe 5-0 going into this game, but lost it due to questionable decisions. 

And really, that's just part of earning the benefit of the doubt. If you don't make questionable decisions, the one time you do, people won't mind. You do it frequently and everyone will jump down your throat when you do.

It's just that two weeks in a row, the Ravens needed points and left them on the field. That's demoralizing to an offense, in my opinion.

I'm still of the opinion that we needed the most points possible since our defense was being eaten alive.  It definitely sucks that it didn't work out, but I still believe it was the right decision this week, regardless of Harbaugh's past transgressions.  I don't really view this one as a questionable decision, personally.  I don't believe there are many coaches across the league that aren't going for it in that situation.

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm still of the opinion that we needed the most points possible since our defense was being eaten alive.  It definitely sucks that it didn't work out, but I still believe it was the right decision this week, regardless of Harbaugh's past transgressions.  I don't really view this one as a questionable decision, personally.  I don't believe there are many coaches across the league that aren't going for it in that situation.

I think it was a dumb decision and one that he doesn't make if the team is 5-0 going into that game, honestly. I think two straight losses factored in.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

the ravens had 15 penalties for 111 yards while the giants had 7 penalties for 119 yards.

id say they have a lot more to complain about with some questionable calls going against them and others not being called in their favor....

saw wright tackling the WR in the endzone before either touched the ball lol.

 

 

No, we still did. One of those penalties account for a significant amount of their yardage. Sure it gave us life(it was a PI call, and a bad one) again but we wouldn't have been in that position had we not shot ourselves in the foot previously. A lot of holding penalties sputtered our momentum and screwed us over. That's a fact. If we don't shoot ourselves in the foot we probably get into the redzone more and win this game.  

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think it was a dumb decision and one that he doesn't make if the team is 5-0 going into that game, honestly. I think two straight losses factored in.

See, I think he makes that decision regardless of the record or past history, and I think a large majority of coaches would do the same.  Still think the bigger issue with that play was the execution, as Juice just didn't make the block.  I think it's another one of those situations where it's only being criticized because it didn't work.  If we had scored, it would be no big deal.  That's just me though.

[Boddiebroadus]

Injuries again are killing us. We can't stay healthy for he life of us. Plus Webb is bad rather have Elam out there now. 

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

Not an excuse, but the first td he gave up was a blitz and they still barely pressured Eli.  He was left on an island for a while and the Beckham td he collided with his own guy, I think.

Weddle hit him. Of course it wasn't, but looked like an intentional pick, not sure what happened. 

Bye the bye...... I know you are just sometimes answering the Pees haters, and sometimes rightfully so, but the defense vs. offense thing is getting old and tired.  

[usmccharles]

When is the last time a team had 15 penalties and won.... 

[Tank 92]

We're always in tight games and should always take the points rather than risking getting a big fat 0 and giving momentum to the opposition.

Of course if we are down by 2 or 3 TDs it would be a different story. 

[BmoreBird22]

This is something I've seen mentioned once or twice, but Marty M. did an excellent job as a play caller and pretty much did exactly what everyone wanted him to do. 

Tony Lombardi (really do not like him) criticized Marty for not running the ball more and said the Ravens pretty much abandoned it, but running backs got 25 carries and if you exclude the final drive where the Ravens threw on 9 plays (only eight that counted) and could not run the ball due to the clock, the Ravens had a 25-40 split on run-pass, which comes out to 41%-59%. I don't think the Ravens abandoned the run like Trestman calling four running plays in the second half and obviously didn't come close to the like 23%-73% "balance" that the Ravens employed the previous week.

Also, the Ravens took a ton of deep shots and it really seemed to keep the Giants more honest in their approach. Drew a few PIs and allowed West to have the running room to break a couple 10 yard runs. It was an extremely welcome change, even if Joe wasn't connecting on all of them. For a team that has three vertical threats, getting that deep passing game going will be huge.

I think the biggest thing will be having a healthy offensive line since Joe was pressured on nearly 40% of his dropbacks. 

Also, just throwing this out there, but most of the Giants pressure seemed to come via the blitz. When Joe was pressured, he had a YPA of 9.1. When not pressured, it was 4.9. If you ever needed a stark example of why blitzing isn't always the answer, here it is.

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

See, I think he makes that decision regardless of the record or past history, and I think a large majority of coaches would do the same.  Still think the bigger issue with that play was the execution, as Juice just didn't make the block.  I think it's another one of those situations where it's only being criticized because it didn't work.  If we had scored, it would be no big deal.  That's just me though.

Even if the Ravens have scored, I wouldn't have liked the decision. I was shaking my head the entire time because I really didn't like it. 

Could have called a better play, though.

[BmoreBird22]

6 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

When is the last time a team had 15 penalties and won.... 

When's the last time a team had a +3 TO differential and lost?

[Tru11]

13 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

No, we still did. One of those penalties account for a significant amount of their yardage. Sure it gave us life(it was a PI call, and a bad one) again but we wouldn't have been in that position had we not shot ourselves in the foot previously. A lot of holding penalties sputtered our momentum and screwed us over. That's a fact. If we don't shoot ourselves in the foot we probably get into the redzone more and win this game.  

you act like we are a good red zone team.
not to mention even with out penalties we manage to go 3 and out or turn the ball over in ways only we can think off.

heck we can be on the 1 yard line and fail to come away with any points.

based on what can you guaranteed that this offense can go on long drives and score TDs relying on themselves?

 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Tru11

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

When's the last time a team had a +3 TO differential and lost?

1998, according to Twitter.

Edit: To clarify, this is the last time the Ravens had this happen.

Edited October 17, 2016 by rmw10

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Tru11 said:

you act like we are a good red zone team.
not to mention even with out penalties we manage to go 3 and out or turn the ball over in ways only we can think off.

heck we can be on the 1 yard line and fail to come away with any points.

based on what can you guaranteed that this team can go on long drives and score TDs relying on themselves?

 

Before a lot of those holding penalties we were moving the ball pretty well only to have the drive killed. Worst case scenario is we move into FG range and Tucker makes one.

[ravensdfan]

5 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, some things have changed. We know this quite obviously from this season alone.

Under the "Pees always blows the game in the 4th quarter" scenario, we lose to Buffalo, Cleveland and Jacksonville. We MUST blow those games in your analysis. Coverage schemes are the same in those games. No exotic blitzes, no quantity rushes. 

So why did we win? Hint: this is all going to circle back to the irony of exaggerations.

Yeah no because they are Buffalo, Cleveland and Jacksonville lol I even said then the same old conservative late game scheme would not work as we started to face real live offensive football teams.  So you ignore the fact that the other 3 games, what happened in the 4th? And we lost didn't we? Not to mention, all those games last season, and before that, and before that. Feel free to go look up how many 4th quarter leads we've given up, I already calculated it last year and all the Pees' crowd ignored the fact that by the time I stopped counting, we lost 60% of the time. And that doesn't even count the late leads the defense has given up that we still won.

[MTRavensFan]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

When's the last time a team had a +3 TO differential and lost?

Matt Ryan threw 5 ints against the Cards in 2012, and won.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

1998, according to Twitter.

Penalties derailed like 80% of the drives. 

Obviously an exaggeration, but damn, if they could just cut back on the penalties (think I saw four holding calls), they'd have been a whole new offense.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, MTRavensFan said:

Matt Ryan threw 5 ints against the Cards in 2012, and won.

But that's not necessarily a +3 TO differential if the Cards threw a ton of INTs or fumbled a lot.

[MTRavensFan]

27 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

the ravens had 15 penalties for 111 yards while the giants had 7 penalties for 119 yards.

id say they have a lot more to complain about with some questionable calls going against them and others not being called in their favor....

saw wright tackling the WR in the endzone before either touched the ball lol.

 

I don't think people here are complaining about the calls being unfair as much as our players making bone-headed mistakes.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, MTRavensFan said:

I don't think people here are complaining about the calls being unfair as much as our players making bone-headed mistakes.

BINGO. The penalities were pretty fair against us. Our stupid mistakes sputtered our momentum

[Tru11]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Before a lot of those holding penalties we were moving the ball pretty well only to have the drive killed. Worst case scenario is we move into FG range and Tucker makes one.

we had 1 good drive which was the very first 1.

not sure what other drives you are referring to.

[redrum52]

18 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Weddle hit him. Of course it wasn't, but looked like an intentional pick, not sure what happened. 

Bye the bye...... I know you are just sometimes answering the Pees haters, and sometimes rightfully so, but the defense vs. offense thing is getting old and tired.  

It's no defense vs offense, it's who underperforming.  I said the defense sucked in 15 until they started playing better in the later half.  Have also called out ST this year.  I also wasn't fond of Mattison and even called out Ray and Ed their last seasons here.  Every part of the team needs to carry out their job, coaches and FO included.