The good the bad and the ugly post game rant/vent week six

[donkeyking64]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

Define too much...

I'm actually doing some other work online, so when this is up in my other tab, I have no choice but to come back and join the discussion or whatever you want to call this lol

I think your posts are fine. You've always posted at the a high response rate.

Keep posting.

Dangit post more!!

Edited October 17, 2016 by donkeyking64

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, donkeyking64 said:

I think your posts are fine. You've always posted at the a high response rate.

Keep posting.

Dangit post more!!

Haha I hold no shame.  I post a lot on game days but slowly disappear throughout the week unless something major happens.

[Ravengirl11]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

The bad: the worst 2 teams in the NFC east w/ 2 more to go. 

Deadskins aren't so dead right now and it's killing me

[allblackraven]

21 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Define too much...

I'm actually doing some other work online, so when this is up in my other tab, I have no choice but to come back and join the discussion or whatever you want to call this lol

Lol, just continuing on that post above....

[jboy19]

I guess to break down what I think since things have calmed down a little...

The Good: I like the Mornhinweg offense a lot more than the Trestman offense. The ball is getting down the field a lot more, and if the receivers can play just a tiny bit better and SSS can come back in a few weeks, we'll be in good shape. West also had a great day- very happy with how he performed- especially with the OL in shambles. The defense also had some good play from guys like Orr and McClellan- who really stepped up today imo. 

The Bad: The replacement OL played like a replacement OL and that limited what the offense was really able to do- I'd consider them ugly, but I don't think that's fair. The secondary was helpless against OBJ especially after Jimmy and Wright went out. Although the pass game was called better, there were some bad overthrows and some bad routes/drops. 

The Ugly: The Pass rush was non-existent. We can complain about the secondary all day, but with today's pass rush, I don't think that any secondary could have done much against the Giants. Also the young OL needs to cut down penalties- that was awful. 

Final Thoughts: The Giants were a team that came into this game with ideal matchups against the Ravens supplemented by some substantial injuries. The Ravens needed to take advantage of mistakes to win this game, and unfortunately the Giants did not make many. The Ravens going forward are a team that will be hard to gauge since most of their "easy" opponents are behind them. However, if the Ravens can get healthy, get some young guys to step up (preferably one of Correa, Judon or ZDS) and find a way to win a couple games that they shouldn't (Pats, Steelers, Bengals, Cowboys), I think that they can still be in contention for a wild card spot. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by jboy19

[heycuf]

The defense is getting beat up because the offense is 3 and out. If the offense can do something productive it helps the stamina of the defense.

[PurpleCity5]

The Good: Deep passing attack showed up. Terrence West is a beast and there's no way he's losing his starting job anytime soon. Should continue to get most of the workload.

The Bad: We cannot capitalize in the redzone, it's becoming a big problem.  

The Ugly: Secondary was awful after Jimmy went down. Just downright awful. 

[redrum52]

7 points from a TO and great field position.  Another 3 from the a pick.  1 td from an awful flag against the Giants.  This offense sucks.  There is no kind of continuity.  Moved the ball well first drive and as usual vanished.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, redrum52 said:

7 points from a TO and great field position.  Another 3 from the a pick.  1 td from an awful flag against the Giants.  This offense sucks.  There is no kind of continuity.  Moved the ball well first drive and as usual vanished.

 

 

Vanished is the wrong word. We'd get something going... And then have a drive killing penalty and then stumble from there on out. 

 

Playcalling today was good, but you can't win games when you have that many penalties causing you to lose momentum. 

[hen826957]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The team goes down the field when the game is on the line, but the team doesn't necessarily score when the game is on the line. The last two weeks show that. I don't care how far they drive if they don't score.

2. In this moment and at this time in the game, I trust my offense to gain 1 yard (and my defense to hold them if they don't) more than I do kicking a FG and giving the Giants the ball back at the 25 yard line.

In a different game and under different circumstances, that might change. 

IMO they should've gone for the 3 points and made it 16-17 at the time. How the offense is they can't risk losing any points. If the Giants score a touchdown from starting at the 25 yard line it would've made it to 24-16 which would be still a one possession game (touchdown & 2 point conversion). This didn't happen but what if by we didn't score and they score a touchdown at that time it would've been 13-24 instead. If it was late in the fourth and we scored a touchdown that made it 22-17 lead than go for 2 just in case the Giants score to tie it up but only late in the fourth quarter. We had plenty of time left in the game and to me it was too early to go for it on 4th down even if it's at the one. It just wasn't smart. We couldn't even get in with a QB sneak says it all. This sorta remind me of the game vs the Browns when we could've went for 2 when it was 18-20 Browns lead but we decided to not go for two in that situation because we had plenty of time left. We just kick the extra point and made it 19-20. If we would've went to 2 in that situation and didn't get it we would've lost vs the Browns. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by hen826957

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The Good: We came to play and showed effort throughout proving 'next man up' works. Had we loss with a full compliment of our best players - then there's time for panic. Hated the results, but it was exciting to watch.

In hindsight after looking at that (4th and goal over and over again) series of events, that's how I want my Ravens to play with 2 shots that close. Make them stop you. Go hard. Harb did that. It was a great call by Marty and if not for some missing players (key injuries) and a few missed blocks - West walks in for the TD.

Untimely penalties did us in here. Nothing else. We looked a little less polished/experienced at times, because...we are and a lot of positions and fill-in roles. Yet, still out-performing teams in many critical stats (i.e. - less turnovers usually means a win). We almost had this one. We will get the next.

[kiwi_raven]

6 hours ago, mmcclend said:

Let the bashing begin. You've spoken too much truth for most of the board. OC wasn't the issue, TALENT is the issue. 

Except we out up over double the points this game with a rash of injuries then we did with a far healthier offense and against a capper defense

[terrynjulia03]

Still cannot figure out how a team goes +3 in TO and loses the game. Gotta check the history books but I think that has a pretty solid percentage point to it. Anyways. 

The Good: West, Jimmy before he went out, the OL even gets a nod considering the only player in their position was Zuttah, kinda tough when 3 starters are out and you're digging the bottom of your depth chart.

The Bad: Penalties, however most were the OL and most are again bottom of the depth chart for a reason. Webb, seriously I think Elam played better out of position his rookie year at FS. All you people screaming for years for Webb to be the FS when smarter heads said cut him BEFORE his BS extension. The pass rush, the Giants had a backup at RT and none of these guys could get home on Eli? That's pathetic and goes back to our horrible ability at drafting over the past, almost decade. 

The UGLY: If any of the guys that went out this game miss extended time, and of Sizzle is bad enough to go on IR he's done as a Raven, prob Doom also.

The loss to the Skins loooked like a 10-6 season at best if they fixed things, losing some of these guys for extended time? There isn't a single game besides the Jets that I have full confidence in. We could very well go 6-10. Maybe it's time, well 2 years overdue to fire Pees and hire or promote a new coordinator to start working with the younger guys and have a vision for next year also. 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Vanished is the wrong word. We'd get something going... And then have a drive killing penalty and then stumble from there on out. 

 

Playcalling today was good, but you can't win games when you have that many penalties causing you to lose momentum. 

the giants just won with a lot of penalties and even losing the turnover battle 3-0 lol.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Tru11 said:

the giants just won with a lot of penalties and even losing the turnover battle 3-0 lol.

 

 

They didn't have nearly as many penalties as we did and one of those turnovers was meaningless as it was at the end of the half. If we hadn't shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly on offense with the stupid holding penalties we probably would have won. Instead those happened and destroyed our momentum. 

[sflegend89]

We desperatetly need an effective edge rusher. Suggs and Doom days of dominance are behind us. The wear and tear has seemingly eclipsed both their thresholds and now it's time to look forward at that position. We knew neither of them had much left in the tank durability wise but I don't think any of us saw it coming to an end this soon. 

I see a team with plenty of contributors but virtually no playmakers on either side of the ball, perhaps Mosley could be considered one. Odell gave us an up close look at how true playmakers affect games. To have picked in the top 6 and not come away with a playmaker is highly disappointing. Just our luck to pick high for once in a weak draft class. I do think we made tbe right choice in Stanley though, good piece to have long term.

[OUravensfan]

The other games I watched today made me sick in terms of what our O line offers up for pass protection. Even when they give more time than their average it is still always breaking down to allow someone to disrupt the comfort of a clean pocket.

This o line is killing this offense, elite O line over WR anyday of the week. 

 

[redrum52]

16 hours ago, Ravensdoordie said:

Still love the guys that say Harbaugh is a great coach... Get rid of every coach we have and make sure Harbaugh is first to go...

and pees is ridiculous not having anyone down field on that last TD by beckham.... Anyone with a brain knew that play was coming....

So everyone knew that the corner covering Beckham would fall, injure himself and give up like 50 yards after the catches?  Quite a gift you have there.

[redrum52]

22 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

The other games I watched today made me sick in terms of what our O line offers up for pass protection. Even when they give more time than their average it is still always breaking down to allow someone to disrupt the comfort of a clean pocket.

This o line is killing this offense, elite O line over WR anyday of the week. 

 

OL did its job.  Flacco was missing open guys often and when he wasn't they were dropping passes.  People say the C is suppose to make the calls, but shouldn't the QB make an adjustment when he sees a db ready to blitz?

[ravensdfan]

14 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes, they do get fired if they keep losing. But the players get fired first. 

That's generally how things work. Firing the coaches and praying that the personnel all of the sudden get healthy or start playing better (when some clearly aren't) is how multiple regimes get hired and fired. Basically you're the Browns/Bills for a decade. 

I mean there isn't any sort of secret sauce here. The reality is that great players don't always play great, good players don't always play good, and average players don't always play average.

Everybody player and coach on this planet has flaws... many of them significant. I'm watching many Aaron Rodgers flaws as we speak, and he's supposed to be one of the best. 

There's definitely a bit of irony here, both in the idea of exaggeration and of there being "no middle ground". The irony is 100% of the best defenses in this league play right in the middle between "playing scared" and "making an attempt to make something good happen". Every single team you watch, including this one, operates in the middle of those two things. 

 

The reality is that 4th quarter fails have been our legacy since Pees came here. We've already done the players lose their jobs route - haven't we continually let players go and picked up other players since Pees' arrival? And has anything changed?

The thing is, he calls good games for the most part and great ones at times, only to change it all up when it matters and play scared. And now it is costing us more games than we are winning.

[redrum52]

2 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

The reality is that 4th quarter fails have been our legacy since Pees came here. We've already done the players lose their jobs route - haven't we continually let players go and picked up other players since Pees' arrival? And has anything changed?

The thing is, he calls good games for the most part and great ones at times, only to change it all up when it matters and play scared. And now it is costing us more games than we are winning.

Offense starts with a fg.  Defense forces a fumble with excellent field position and offense gets a td.  The offense then punts 5 consecutive series and only scores again when the defense forces a turnover in fg range.  Offense next drive TO on downs. Next drive get a fg after a chunk play to Wallace.  The next TD tjey get was the result of a horrible PI called against the Giants, yet you're here complaining about Pees? 

[Cawtious]

18 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

OL did its job.  Flacco was missing open guys often and when he wasn't they were dropping passes.  People say the C is suppose to make the calls, but shouldn't the QB make an adjustment when he sees a db ready to blitz?

3 of the 5 top scores for the day were given to the OL.  I'm waiting on Filmstudy before I say much. 

[redrum52]

2 minutes ago, Cawtious said:

3 of the 5 top scores for the day were given to the OL.  I'm waiting on Filmstudy before I say much. 

Thank you.

[FerrariFan87]

Good: West continues to impress

Bad: Harbaugh's coaching; late-game D; O-line; Flacco's accuracy

Ugly: See Bad.

[rmcjacket23]

36 minutes ago, ravensdfan said:

The reality is that 4th quarter fails have been our legacy since Pees came here. We've already done the players lose their jobs route - haven't we continually let players go and picked up other players since Pees' arrival? And has anything changed?

The thing is, he calls good games for the most part and great ones at times, only to change it all up when it matters and play scared. And now it is costing us more games than we are winning.

Yes, some things have changed. We know this quite obviously from this season alone.

Under the "Pees always blows the game in the 4th quarter" scenario, we lose to Buffalo, Cleveland and Jacksonville. We MUST blow those games in your analysis. Coverage schemes are the same in those games. No exotic blitzes, no quantity rushes. 

So why did we win? Hint: this is all going to circle back to the irony of exaggerations.

Edited October 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[1poe1]

Being a loyal ravens fan it is getting harder and harder to watch a game slip right through our hands as the decisions by the coaching staff ,not to take the field goals,

against the redskins last week and against the giants this past sunday. We paly a very vanilla offense as if the other teams know what we going to do each play.

The receivers drop quite a few passes each game and the penalties always hurt. Flacco (my favorite raven) is off target every three or four pass attempts.

Time to go back to the drawing board. I know we have a lot of injuries ( the excuse was good for last year not this year ) It needs to be a wake up call for players and coaches

If you can't or won't do the job give someone else a chance. Ravens fans seem to take our team more seriously then the players seem too.

And in closing.... It was great to see the lack of hurry up in the last minute of the game as we needed a touchdown to win, what a waste of an opportunity.

[rmw10]

You know, despite a somewhat rough game yesterday, I still really like what Tavon Young is doing.  The growing pains are there, but the guy is a playmaker.  He's always around the ball and typically always tight on the hip in coverage.  He's feisty and I really like the competitive edge from him so far.  Despite him giving up a couple of TDs (one was the long Beckham where him and Weddle collided), I still think he's doing well.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

You know, despite a somewhat rough game yesterday, I still really like what Tavon Young is doing.  The growing pains are there, but the guy is a playmaker.  He's always around the ball and typically always tight on the hip in coverage.  He's feisty and I really like the competitive edge from him so far.  Despite him giving up a couple of TDs (one was the long Beckham where him and Weddle collided), I still think he's doing well.

Not an excuse, but the first td he gave up was a blitz and they still barely pressured Eli.  He was left on an island for a while and the Beckham td he collided with his own guy, I think.

[Purple_City39]

i didn't read through this whole thread, but I'm curious.  Is there still random Jimmy hate or are we finally going to lay that complaint to rest?

This is the second time we've gotten a good taste of the Ravens secondary, and defense, without Jimmy Smith and it's something I'd rather not experience.  On various social media, including here, I see him called out horribly the second he allows one catch.  Outside of probably the Raiders game last season, I can't remember the last time he gave up over 70 yards to a receiver or multiple TDs (even one is rare for him but it happens as it has once so far this season).  He's no primetime or 2009-2011 Revis, but he's a pretty good corner that greatly helps the team just by being out there

I'm sure other things have been discussed heavily, but that's just one comment I wanted to make.

[HoldingCall]

Ugly: The pass rush, or lack of.

Good: The team had a legit change to win in spite of injuries to so many key starters.

Bad: Drive killing penalties; coach gambling and don't take three points; mounting injuries.