The good the bad and the ugly post game rant/vent week six

[markbusinsky]

I've been a Baltimore football fan since the Colts. I know the NFL never wanted Baltimore to have a franchise once the Colts left, but I thought it was fantastic when we got the Ravens (Sorry Cleveland). Do I want to be a Ravens fan seeing how the FH is ruining the team (i.e. Cleveland)? My wife is a Patriots fan, and I am considering joining her, not really, but you never know.

[rmw10]

I get the disdain for not kicking the FG, but I thought that was the right call in this situation.  With a defense badly wounded, I think you had to take what was likely your best shot at 7 points for the time being.  If it didn't work out, it put the Giants in bad field position.

Regardless, it's still on the players to execute.  If Juice makes his block, we might be talking a whole different ball game.  It's all a game of ifs though.  Hindsight makes it look bad, but I still think it was the right call.  Remember that all it takes is one play to completely change a game.  Just because we get 3 doesn't mean we win because all situations change after that choice.

[darklight1216]

7 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

My opinion Grim you didn't make it in 3 tries  and there's almost a quarter left in the game. Knock it down to 1 and reset. Plenty of time you didn't have to score the Td. Seriosly when does John not go for it in that situation.

Not only that, but the offense had been stymied throughout the 2nd and 3rd quarters. They had basically made one play during that time (Flacco to Wallace). That should not inspire confidence.

Plus Harbs had done this 3 games in a row with the exact same result: no points.

[donkeyking64]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. LOL, well, you certainly don't pay a kicker top dollar so he can convert an 18 yard FG on 4th and 1 in the middle of a game. Any high school kicker would do for that.

2. You're literally the only person who thinks Jensen has earned a starting role. Highly unimpressive everytime I've seen him... a very below average pass blocker. Wagner was active but obviously injured, so he wasn't out there today.

The ideal line, to me, is pretty clear. Stanley/Lewis/Zuttah/Yanda/Wagner. Urschel has done fine as the top reserve lineman, but I have questions about the others.

3. The other defenses are sitting at the sticks. So everytime I hear this nonsense from fans asking why you throw a 10 yard completion on 3rd and 15... its because the defenders are defending the 15 yarder, so if you throw it there, its incredibly unlikely it gets completed. We aren't the only team in the league who throws short and wants YAC to convert. Its very common from even some of the best offenses.

You clearly missed the point on #2. The offensive line is not so stout that you should be going for it on 4th and whatever. Kick it. There's time to come back. You did it last week. Same result. So then you do it again this week. Same result. Both times you could have tied or won at the end of the game.

A checkdown or dumpoff to Juice Man is perfectly fine. But if it's 3rd and 3 and you go to the Juice Man.....you see where I'm going.

On the very next play to keep the game alive they go down the field like 11 yards on 4th and 1 to convert.....let's think about that

[I AM LEGEND]

I'll never understand how john harbaugh so quickly and decisively turns down field goals with this team to chance it with touchdowns. 

This team historically has issues scoring so why take a damn near automatic 3 off the board when u know the other thing this team likes to do is play every game close. Ur doing a huge disservice to this team john. 

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

The good: 2 losses were NFC

The bad: the worst 2 teams in the NFC east w/ 2 more to go. 

[Willbacker]

1 minute ago, darklight1216 said:

Not only that, but the offense had been stymied throughout the 2nd and 3rd quarters. They had basically made one play during that time (Flacco to Wallace). That should not inspire confidence.

Plus Harbs had done this 3 games in a row with the exact same result: no points.

Thank you. Exact same thing I was thinking. Knock it down to a 1 score game.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, donkeyking64 said:

You clearly missed the point on #2. The offensive line is not so stout that you should be going for it on 4th and whatever. Kick it. There's time to come back. You did it last week. Same result. So then you do it again this week. Same result. Both times you could have tied or won at the end of the game.

A checkdown or dumpoff to Juice Man is perfectly fine. But if it's 3rd and 3 and you go to the Juice Man.....you see where I'm going.

On the very next play to keep the game alive they go down the field like 11 yards on 4th and 1 to convert.....let's think about that

Well the difference here has more to do with your defense generally. Nobody should have had any confidence in our ability to stop them from scoring.

Simply gotta score TDs if you want to win that game, and we proved that. Plus, really don't see any coaches in the league turning down a TD opportunity there. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, I AM LEGEND said:

I'll never understand how john harbaugh so quickly and decisively turns down field goals with this team to chance it with touchdowns. 

This team historically has issues scoring so why take a damn near automatic 3 off the board when u know the other thing this team likes to do is play every game close. Ur doing a huge disservice to this team john. 

Look at the other side of the ball... there's your answer.

[Willbacker]

1 minute ago, 757RavensFan said:

The bad: the worst 2 teams in the NFC east w/ 2 more to go. 

We haven't played the Iggles yet. You not saying they better than the Skins are you?

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well the difference here has more to do with your defense generally. Nobody should have had any confidence in our ability to stop them from scoring.

Simply gotta score TDs if you want to win that game, and we proved that. Plus, really don't see any coaches in the league turning down a TD opportunity there. 

 

This is why I think it was a good choice this week.  Our choices on defense to cover OBJ were Shareece Wright or Will Davis.  Our pass rush was doing a whole bunch of nothing.  The Giants came out after the half and made adjustments that we weren't stopping.  This was our best and closest chance at getting 7 with an offense that had lost its way since a solid start.

[donkeyking64]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I get the disdain for not kicking the FG, but I thought that was the right call in this situation.  With a defense badly wounded, I think you had to take what was likely your best shot at 7 points for the time being.  If it didn't work out, it put the Giants in bad field position.

Regardless, it's still on the players to execute.  If Juice makes his block, we might be talking a whole different ball game.  It's all a game of ifs though.  Hindsight makes it look bad, but I still think it was the right call.  Remember that all it takes is one play to completely change a game.  Just because we get 3 doesn't mean we win because all situations change after that choice.

The disdain is not about not kicking the FG.

The disdain is about the fact that last week, instead of kicking a FG you go for the trick play and then at the end of the game, instead of kicking another FG to tie, you have to convert for 6 and then 1.

That's the disdain. For a 2nd week you commit the same erroneous judgement. Yes - the defense is hurting. But your offensive line is NOT JO, Zeus, Casey Rabach, Edwin Mulatallo, and Bennie Anderson

Edited October 17, 2016 by donkeyking64

[codizzle]

Seems like a different major injury every week

[757RavensFan]

7 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

We haven't played the Iggles yet. You not saying they better than the Skins are you?

I am.  Even though the Skins beat them today, I still think the Eagles are better team than the Skins.  

Edited October 17, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[rmw10]

Just now, donkeyking64 said:

The disdain is about not kicking the FG.

The disdain is about the fact that last week, instead of kicking a FG you go for the trick play and then at the end of the game, instead of kicking another FG to tie, you have to convert for 6 and then 1.

That's the disdain. For a 2nd week you commit the same erroneous judgement. Yes - the defense is hurting. But your offensive line is NOT JO, Zeus, Casey Rabach, Edwin Mulatallo, and Bennie Anderson

I agree wholeheartedly about last week.  I thought that was an awful decision.

This week though?  I think it was the right decision to go for it.

Remember that the whole script flips with kicking the FG.  If you miss, they're pinned deep and they have to play the short game - run or quick pass.  That's what our defense was equipped for.  If you make it and kick it off, they get the ball at the 25 and the offensive possibilities open up.  They can dink and dunk their way down the field like that had been doing the entire second half, and that puts us in a deeper hole with even less time on the clock.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, donkeyking64 said:

The disdain is not about not kicking the FG.

The disdain is about the fact that last week, instead of kicking a FG you go for the trick play and then at the end of the game, instead of kicking another FG to tie, you have to convert for 6 and then 1.

That's the disdain. For a 2nd week you commit the same erroneous judgement. Yes - the defense is hurting. But your offensive line is NOT JO, Zeus, Casey Rabach, Edwin Mulatallo, and Bennie Anderson

So it really has nothing to do with this week at all? Again, I think some of you aren't even picking the right plays to second-guess. I think you're just picking the one's that happen to not work and fit your argument.

I mean him going for it on 4th down in his own territory late in the game... that one is arguably less justifiable than going for this one, and that hasn't been mentioned yet. Why? Because it worked.

Welcome to fan logic 101. When it works, silence. When it fails... fire him.

Just horrific logic there.

Frankly, the offensive line combination doesn't matter. Its 4th and 1, and you've been running the ball all game with the same lineman. Why all of the sudden now does lack of confidence in them become an issue?

[donkeyking64]

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Well the difference here has more to do with your defense generally. Nobody should have had any confidence in our ability to stop them from scoring.

Simply gotta score TDs if you want to win that game, and we proved that. Plus, really don't see any coaches in the league turning down a TD opportunity there. 

 

100% right and I agree 100%. Everytime you kick a FG you are 3 points away from losing.

One problem is that they did nothing from the time they made the score 10-0 up to that point. The other problem is they ended up scoring more points later.

Why not take 3 and expect to score 6 next time? It's not like you have this reputation of scoring 6 every time!

[Willbacker]

7 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I am.  Even though the Skins beat them today, I still think the Eagles are better team than the Skins.  

Might be some game film on Wentz. Changes things. Skins were preseason faves. Long season.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Willbacker

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

100% right and I agree 100%. Everytime you kick a FG you are 3 points away from losing.

One problem is that they did nothing from the time they made the score 10-0 up to that point. The other problem is they ended up scoring more points later.

Why not take 3 and expect to score 6 next time? It's not like you have this reputation of scoring 6 every time!

The decision was more about the defense and that we were badly exposed after losing Jimmy.  They made some great adjustments after the half and we couldn't stop them.  Going for 7 was the best chance for us to get an edge.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

100% right and I agree 100%. Everytime you kick a FG you are 3 points away from losing.

One problem is that they did nothing from the time they made the score 10-0 up to that point. The other problem is they ended up scoring more points later.

Why not take 3 and expect to score 6 next time? It's not like you have this reputation of scoring 6 every time!

Because this time you need 1 yard to score 6. The next time you'll probably need 75.

At that point in the game... why would anybody think that we were going 75 yards for a TD on the next drive?

The reason you go for 6 there is specifically for the reason you said... because we don't have a reputation as an offense that can go the length of the field consistently and win. 

Too many fans assuming that TD opportunities are easy to come by and we can just take for granted that we would go down and score again. No idea why fans would think this.

Again, some of Harbaugh's decisions this year can be questioned. The logic by which some are using to criticize this one makes no sense to me. Most of you are inadvertently making a case FOR going for 6, and you don't even realize it.

After hearing this stuff... here's what I want to see. I want the same scenario, and John kicks the FG. Then, I want the offense to suck so badly for the rest of the game that we never sniff the endzone again. And I want us to lose by like 3 points.

Then, I will literally go person by person and absolutely bury people on these boards. I mean just undress them up and done with the hypocrisy they spew. And nobody will say a word, because there will be nothing to be said. They followed fan proposals, and it backfired.

I hope one day during a really bad season this happens.

Edited October 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[edthehead]

the coach(harb) is bad

many players suck ,, 

I am sorry for having so much faith. I thought to much

of you all, I thinking 11 / 12 wins was attainable... 

 

[FoxRox75]

Awful. Season is on life support.

[donkeyking64]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Because this time you need 1 yard to score 6. The next time you'll probably need 75.

At that point in the game... why would anybody think that we were going 75 yards for a TD on the next drive?

The reason you go for 6 there is specifically for the reason you said... because we don't have a reputation as an offense that can go the length of the field consistently and win. 

Too many fans assuming that TD opportunities are easy to come by and we can just take for granted that we would go down and score again. No idea why fans would think this.

Again, some of Harbaugh's decisions this year can be questioned. The logic by which some are using to criticize this one makes no sense to me. Most of you are inadvertently making a case FOR going for 6, and you don't even realize it.

I watched all the games this year. THerein lies my reasoning NOT that TDs drives come when we need them, but I've watched this team on offense.

Nevermind the fact that I watched the whole games up to that point. I didn't have any reason to believe they'd bully their way for one yard.

And actually a chunk of the problem is not having Stanley in there. Another aspect is not having Steve - another weapon that the opposing defense has to account for.

But my issue isn't that you should not go for 6. My issue is that the personnel is not one that makes you feel confident in those types of situations. This team goes down the field when the game is on the line. But I'm sure you would agree that they don't go down the field to Pitta and Wallace/Perriman enough when the game is not on the line on the last drive. So the guys on the other side start sniffing you out.

I will take back my criticism of the decision, but the personnel is not executing right now

[ellicottraven]

To make a long story short 3 things have to improve for us to stand a chance or win a game against a tough opponent. One Flacco and his offense has to perform like NFL players and play up to their potential. Two - the coaches need imagination on a play call level and Harbs needs to figure out how to call and manage the game both in terms of his on field decision making as well as time management. Last but not least, time management on the final drive is terrible like it was against the Raiders last year. It is not on the coordinators because we have different coordinators now. It rests squarely with Flacco and I don't know what it is but it is bad.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

I watched all the games this year. THerein lies my reasoning NOT that TDs drives come when we need them, but I've watched this team on offense.

Nevermind the fact that I watched the whole games up to that point. I didn't have any reason to believe they'd bully their way for one yard.

And actually a chunk of the problem is not having Stanley in there. Another aspect is not having Steve - another weapon that the opposing defense has to account for.

But my issue isn't that you should not go for 6. My issue is that the personnel is not one that makes you feel confident in those types of situations. This team goes down the field when the game is on the line. But I'm sure you would agree that they don't go down the field to Pitta and Wallace/Perriman enough when the game is not on the line on the last drive. So the guys on the other side start sniffing you out.

I will take back my criticism of the decision, but the personnel is not executing right now

1. The team goes down the field when the game is on the line, but the team doesn't necessarily score when the game is on the line. The last two weeks show that. I don't care how far they drive if they don't score.

2. In this moment and at this time in the game, I trust my offense to gain 1 yard (and my defense to hold them if they don't) more than I do kicking a FG and giving the Giants the ball back at the 25 yard line.

In a different game and under different circumstances, that might change. 

[allblackraven]

36 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I get the disdain for not kicking the FG, but I thought that was the right call in this situation.  With a defense badly wounded, I think you had to take what was likely your best shot at 7 points for the time being.  If it didn't work out, it put the Giants in bad field position.

Regardless, it's still on the players to execute.  If Juice makes his block, we might be talking a whole different ball game.  It's all a game of ifs though.  Hindsight makes it look bad, but I still think it was the right call.  Remember that all it takes is one play to completely change a game.  Just because we get 3 doesn't mean we win because all situations change after that choice.

You are posting too much

[donkeyking64]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The team goes down the field when the game is on the line, but the team doesn't necessarily score when the game is on the line. The last two weeks show that. I don't care how far they drive if they don't score.

2. In this moment and at this time in the game, I trust my offense to gain 1 yard (and my defense to hold them if they don't) more than I do kicking a FG and giving the Giants the ball back at the 25 yard line.

In a different game and under different circumstances, that might change. 

Man I ain't trippin off of it as my homey from Houston, TX would say.

Last time Ravens started 3-0, they went 0-3. Played NFC North that year. Ray Rice's coming out party to the NFL. Went to the playoffs, first stop they gave a serious WOMPING to the New England Patriots. The only serious receiving threats that team had were Derrick Mason and Todd Heap...I think...

This team offense should be able to find the magic touch. They certainly have a better playcaller than that 2009 team in Marty M vs whatshisname who just got fired even at the college level!

[sflegend89]

I feel like Odell when he said he isn't having fun anymore lol. Don't think I've truly had fun watching football since the first half of the divisional game in 2014. I love the game, love the Ravens but being a fan of this team is rough right now. Feels like we're stuck in the twilight zone with injuries and finding ways to lose close games.

Shame on all the fake fans jumping ship, we've become so accustomed to winning that many took it for granted and now they don't know how to deal. I'm in it through the ups and the downs, real fans stick it out even when the going gets tough.

[Edug27]

59 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I get the disdain for not kicking the FG, but I thought that was the right call in this situation.  With a defense badly wounded, I think you had to take what was likely your best shot at 7 points for the time being.  If it didn't work out, it put the Giants in bad field position.

Regardless, it's still on the players to execute.  If Juice makes his block, we might be talking a whole different ball game.  It's all a game of ifs though.  Hindsight makes it look bad, but I still think it was the right call.  Remember that all it takes is one play to completely change a game.  Just because we get 3 doesn't mean we win because all situations change after that choice.

Agree. I'd make the same calls if I were Harbs. Only problem is we've been saying this for several weeks now. Those "if's" are working against us. For once, we might want to play it safe and resist the urge. 

[rmw10]

24 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

You are posting too much

Define too much...

I'm actually doing some other work online, so when this is up in my other tab, I have no choice but to come back and join the discussion or whatever you want to call this lol