The good the bad and the ugly post game rant/vent week six

[mmcclend]

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

 Most of us know we're average. What we don't like is crazy demands for mass firings/cutting of players.  We also don't like being told we suck, because most of us don't think that is true.  We struggling, but we're not a lost cause.

I agree with you but at the end of the day it's their opinion. Everybody is entitled to it.  Giving your opinion and asking questions should lead to what goes on here. We are right in the middle of the pack as a team and that's just what it is. Since you looked at my history, when have I ever said to fire, or cut somebody this year? Or when have I said we suck? I haven't but I still got the same backlash as if I did lol. All I'm saying is if you're gonna be a mod be a mod 100% and not just when it's convenient or when somebody has the same opinion as you. 

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You guys should really get on my "fans deserve this" bandwagon. I'm starting to convert more and more each day.

There are some people who simply need a lot of losing in order to remember how difficult it is to win. That makes the wins more satisfying.

 

you know..we have lost more than we have won in the last several years..since joe decided to rob us. I won't forget his words '' Can't wait to stick it to em'' and his agent laughing at how we basically have given joe and him all the power.

 

this isnt jay cutleresque obviously..but its not great either and i think its going to get worse and worse.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Militant X 1 said:

That's your take but not mine at the moment.  I've seen them for 6 weeks now bro!  6 weeks!  Forsett fell on the sword...scapegoated as being an offensive issue.  Same results offensively.  Trestman fell on the sword...scapegoated as being another issue offensively.  Guess what?  Same results offensively!  At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that the team really isn't that good to overcome what they lack.  Good teams find ways to win, bad teams find ways to lose.  I heard that being said before.

Why exactly are you saying "same results offensively"? They did precisely what you guys wanted them to do today. The only difference is we didn't win.

You wanted more shots down the field... you get plenty of them. You wanted a commitment to the run game... you got it.

If you're looking for weekly consistency from an offense, you won't find it on this team or any other team in this league. It doesn't exist. 

Personally, I think the offense did exactly what fans wanted them to do today, especially considering some of the personnel limitations. At this point, I think its on the fans. I think its time for them to take a step back and ask themselves "what do I really want"? All I'm seeing from a lot of fans is moving the target around each week trying to fit a square narrative into a round hole.

[mmcclend]

4 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's your take but not mine at the moment.  I've seen them for 6 weeks now bro!  6 weeks!  Forsett fell on the sword...scapegoated as being an offensive issue.  Same results offensively.  Trestman fell on the sword...scapegoated as being another issue offensively.  Guess what?  Same results offensively!  At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that the team really isn't that good to overcome what they lack.  Good teams find ways to win, bad teams find ways to lose.  I heard that being said before.

Let the bashing begin. You've spoken too much truth for most of the board. OC wasn't the issue, TALENT is the issue. 

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

well if this team just needs to ''overcome injuries'' then by the bye week everyone ( barring suggs possibly) should be back.

 

Then you just hope they cans stay healthy. Also who is eligable to reutrn from IR? Canady played well for us...

Elam

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, Sami84 said:

you know..we have lost more than we have won in the last several years..since joe decided to rob us. I won't forget his words '' Can't wait to stick it to em'' and his agent laughing at how we basically have given joe and him all the power.

 

this isnt jay cutleresque obviously..but its not great either and i think its going to get worse and worse.

And I think you deserve worse and worse. We were in the playoffs two years ago. You don't have a vague clue what its like to lose and lose consistency. Missing the playoffs every other year doesn't even remotely qualify.

When fans think it does, that's when you know they deserve worse. 

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Why exactly are you saying "same results offensively"? They did precisely what you guys wanted them to do today. The only difference is we didn't win.

You wanted more shots down the field... you get plenty of them. You wanted a commitment to the run game... you got it.

If you're looking for weekly consistency from an offense, you won't find it on this team or any other team in this league. It doesn't exist. 

Personally, I think the offense did exactly what fans wanted them to do today, especially considering some of the personnel limitations. At this point, I think its on the fans. I think its time for them to take a step back and ask themselves "what do I really want"? All I'm seeing from a lot of fans is moving the target around each week trying to fit a square narrative into a round hole.

I sad it earlier today and Im going to say it again.  I'm proud of the Ravens fight.  Even with there handicapped online and with jimmy going down, they never gave up and almost ended up winning the game. 

Go Ravens, keep up the fight and things will start to turn around.

[allblackraven]

Just now, mmcclend said:

Let the bashing begin. You've spoken too much truth for most of the board. OC wasn't the issue, TALENT is the issue. 

You should stop posting until you take a pill and pill produces some effect.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, mmcclend said:

Let the bashing begin. You've spoken too much truth for most of the board. OC wasn't the issue, TALENT is the issue. 

And the "truth", as usual, lies in the middle. Most likely both were the problem.

The difference, as usual, is making personnel changes mid-season don't really happen, because there are no AJ Green's sitting at home waiting for the Ravens call on Sunday.

I mean do you clowns really think that the FO and coaching staff doesn't see that there are talent issues at numerous positions? 

This ain't Madden folks. You can't just trade backup players for studs and start over when you are 3-3. 

[RavensFanMania]

34 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

I guess excuse is a bad word. But you cant have that many injured players and be the same team imo. 

I totally agree

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

Let the bashing begin. You've spoken too much truth for most of the board. OC wasn't the issue, TALENT is the issue. 

Or how about both were the issue?  I don't think anyone here expected this offense to go gangbusters and drop a 50 burger on anyone.  The offense opened up with both a running and deep ball game.  That's what we expected and that's what we got.  That doesn't automatically mean we win the game.

[perryhall]

1. There isn't a quarterback in this league that would look good with this offensive line. I m not even a huge flacco fan. 

2. The cornerstone of pass defense is a pass rush ,at least the semblance of one or the threat of one. I dont blame the corners. They were great at times and bad at times. 

3. Harbaugh is the antithesis of a thinking coach like Belichik. He goes with his gut and lacks simple rationality The ravens would have won at least 1 more game this year ,if not all three. 

4. Wasn't improving the pass rush the number one goal of the draft?  Judon looked great on the very few plays he was in the game. Please let Judon start. Let Kamalei develop as originally intended as an outside LB. 

This team is not going to the playoffs. Let the young guys play,,Judon,Kamalei,Moore,Dixon,Pierce,whomever………..

 

[mmcclend]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

You should stop posting until you take a pill and pill produces some effect.

You should read before you post. I'm assuming you meant take a pill and hope it produces some effect? Or take a chill pill? Idk, either way man you mean absolutely nothing to me so your personal shots are moot. 

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And I think you deserve worse and worse. We were in the playoffs two years ago. You don't have a vague clue what its like to lose and lose consistency. Missing the playoffs every other year doesn't even remotely qualify.

When fans think it does, that's when you know they deserve worse. 

 

we were in the playoffs because andy reid did us a favor

[Moderator 3]

7 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

I agree with you but at the end of the day it's their opinion. Everybody is entitled to it.  Giving your opinion and asking questions should lead to what goes on here. We are right in the middle of the pack as a team and that's just what it is. Since you looked at my history, when have I ever said to fire, or cut somebody this year? Or when have I said we suck? I haven't but I still got the same backlash as if I did lol. All I'm saying is if you're gonna be a mod be a mod 100% and not just when it's convenient or when somebody has the same opinion as you. 

I wasn't necessarily addressing that to you, just speaking in general.  What I will say to you, though, is that when you express your opinion and ask questions, you have to be ready for responses you may not like.

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I can!

In no particular order

Antonio Brown(6th rounder. As you can see. Exception not the norm)

ODB(first rounder, no chance)

AJ Green(first rounder, no chance)

Julio Jones(first rounder, no chance)

Brandon Marshall(4th rounder who developed smoothly, had a chance but understood why we didn't take him. Was a headcase)

Larry Fitzgerald(yes. Still in my top 10. Super reliable. Also, first rounder and no chance)

Dez Bryant(cowboys screwed us over big time here. No chance thanks to them. Would be a Raven otherwise guarenteed)

Alshon Jeffery(most agreed he was a first round talent. Fell to the second. Had a chance am still mad about this one)

Deandre Hopkins(taken ahead of us. No chance)

Sammy Watkins(First rounder, not a chance in hell)

 

See what I'm saying.

 

 

I thought Old Dirty jerk from Wu-Tang died??

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

I thought Old Dirty jerk from Wu-Tang died??

No his eyes got sore from being a senator. Get it right man 

[Sami84]

btw let me say this

I'll take an elite O line over and elite WR core any day of the week

I'll take Elite Edge Rushers over Elite corners ANY Day of the week

 

btw as much as some appreciate brandon williams..i dont want him here next year. We should use whatever cap joe has left us to build an O line. Matt Paradis is the guy i singled out

[Edgar]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

You guys should really get on my "fans deserve this" bandwagon. I'm starting to convert more and more each day.

There are some people who simply need a lot of losing in order to remember how difficult it is to win. That makes the wins more satisfying.

This whole cheesy notion that certain fans deserve to lose or that certain people don't deserve a super bowl victory is poppycock.

Success should be celebrated and failure bemoaned as one desires. Entertainment.

[mmcclend]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

And the "truth", as usual, lies in the middle. Most likely both were the problem.

The difference, as usual, is making personnel changes mid-season don't really happen, because there are no AJ Green's sitting at home waiting for the Ravens call on Sunday.

I mean do you clowns really think that the FO and coaching staff doesn't see that there are talent issues at numerous positions? 

This ain't Madden folks. You can't just trade backup players for studs and start over when you are 3-3. 

Lol clowns? Smh and nobody said blow the whole thing up. At least I haven't. I just feel we need changes. Especially in the scouting and developing talent department. Our pieces just don't seem to mesh well together at times. Can you really argue that?

[Sami84]

Just now, Edgar said:

This whole cheesy notion that certain fans deserve to lose or that certain people don't deserve a super bowl victory is poppycock.

Success should be celebrated and failure bemoaned as one desires. Entertainment.

 

hear hear

[allblackraven]

14 minutes ago, Edgar said:

After going 5-11 and earning such a high draft slot, I remember folks (myself included), beating an incessant drum that we, " needed to " draft impact players in round one and two.

If it was just folks, I wouldn't have any issues but it was what FO was saying all along, then went on to trade down twice and spend 2nd round on a project. Long term project by the looks.

[mmcclend]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

This whole cheesy notion that certain fans deserve to lose or that certain people don't deserve a super bowl victory is poppycock.

Success should be celebrated and failure bemoaned as one desires. Entertainment.

You know that's impossible here. If you aren't a Ravens homer, just go to RSR. The truth isn't welcome here. 

[mmcclend]

8 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Or how about both were the issue?  I don't think anyone here expected this offense to go gangbusters and drop a 50 burger on anyone.  The offense opened up with both a running and deep ball game.  That's what we expected and that's what we got.  That doesn't automatically mean we win the game.

Fair enough. The truth is we don't have the coaching to mask our average talent. That's just what it is. 

[Sami84]

 

3 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

Lol clowns? Smh and nobody said blow the whole thing up. At least I haven't. I just feel we need changes. Especially in the scouting and developing talent department. Our pieces just don't seem to mesh well together at times. Can you really argue that?

 

dude dont bother..as far as MCjacket23 is concerned the following are godsends

 

1: Flacco

2: Harbs

3: Our scouting department

[OUravensfan]

22 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Also a lot less intelligence and knowledge. I agree I wouldn't last long there. 

Its just like every other fanboard forum (including this one). When we look good, we're the best in the world. When we lose a game everybody thought we were going to lose anyway, its time to burn the place down.

Rinse, repeat. 

It's true, and a self righteous guy that refers to himself as the sword. This forum is far cleaner and moderated and isn't as vulgar as that one. 

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

we were in the playoffs because andy reid did us a favor

Well and because we had a good season and won enough games to get in.

And then we beat a team that threw 6 TD passes against us in their building, and came pretty close to beating the World Champs in their building the following week. 

And you didn't deserve any of that.

[ravensnj]

It's been a disappointing 3 weeks. Further, we find that we have the same issues as last year, no pass rush, weak Cb depth/starting and no quick slot receiver.  But somehow, I believe the ship will right itself and we find the playoffs. IMHO Pitt and Cinn are just shells of their former selves. Plus, Big Ben is headed for an MRI,

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, mmcclend said:

Lol clowns? Smh and nobody said blow the whole thing up. At least I haven't. I just feel we need changes. Especially in the scouting and developing talent department. Our pieces just don't seem to mesh well together at times. Can you really argue that?

Nope, but why is that being discussed in the middle of the season? What impact does that have on the 2016 Ravens?

[January J]

20 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

If you got it, you got it.  Flacco didn't have that one.  You can tell Mike was pissed off, b/c he knew that was the game right there.  He went off the field without giving team the signal.  That play got him hurt and he ran off the field p-off. ..That led to a delay of game.   Now were 3-3 instead of 4-2.  

Probably could've been the 'play of the game'

Or he could've been tackled in bounds allowing the clock to expire and not giving us another shot at the endzone. If Joe held the ball for a second longer on the last play kamar broke wide open. Don't know if Joe was about to get hit or not though.

13 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's your take but not mine at the moment.  I've seen them for 6 weeks now bro!  6 weeks!  Forsett fell on the sword...scapegoated as being an offensive issue.  Same results offensively.  Trestman fell on the sword...scapegoated as being another issue offensively.  Guess what?  Same results offensively!  At some point, there has to be an acknowledgement that the team really isn't that good to overcome what they lack.  Good teams find ways to win, bad teams find ways to lose.  I heard that being said before.

That's actually false. Soon as forsett gets benched/released West has 3 big games in a row. Coincidence? I think not. And he has done that without Stanley and key lineman. He is clearly the better back at this point and forsetts time was done here. And trestman a scapegoat? Obviously right off the bat our offense had more spark. Connected on several big plays and also got us some PI calls. That's what happens when you actually stretch the feild. All the while we stayed committed to the running game and were much more balanced. We put up more points and took the lead with two minutes to go only for the defense to lose the game on 4th down. If half of our defense didn't go down in the second half we're more than likely 4-2.  Those aren't excuses those are just facts. Lol forsett and trestman a scapegoat. Marty had less than a week to put together a game plan and was short his three top lineman, and his top receiver. Id say he did a damn good job.