Next Up: Ravens at New York Jets at Metlife Stadium 10/23/2016

[iceripper]

Here are some things I'd like to change:

Dixon/West/Allen as our 3rd down back. Juice ain't bad, but everyone knows we're not running it with Juice.

Waller isn't the right answer at gunner. He misses crucial tackles. He seemed to be a good gunner last season because most returner signaled a fair catch. But in reality he easily get's outjuked because he hasn't good body control.

3 man rushes and drop 8 into coverage. 

[January J]

7 minutes ago, iceripper said:

Here are some things I'd like to change:

Dixon/West/Allen as our 3rd down back. Juice ain't bad, but everyone knows we're not running it with Juice.

Waller isn't the right answer at gunner. He misses crucial tackles. He seemed to be a good gunner last season because most returner signaled a fair catch. But in reality he easily get's outjuked because he hasn't good body control.

3 man rushes and drop 8 into coverage. 

He doesn't have the body control that he had last year BC he packed on them pounds to make the move to tight end.

[iceripper]

8 minutes ago, January J said:

He doesn't have the body control that he had last year BC he packed on them pounds to make the move to tight end.

But he could've added some some functional muscle mass so he doesn't lose a step. lol

[Moderator 3]

9 hours ago, Dfence4champs2052 said:

Well they already announced Fitpatrick will start but if we could pick him off a few times could see Geno. 

 

9 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Oh. I thought they say Geno will start. 

They've gone back and forth.  Either may start.

[VermontRaven]

32 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

They've gone back and forth.  Either may start.

Yup, First Bowles backed Fitzpatrick and said he would start, but now he is waffling.  Here's an article from ESPN stating that

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17828168/todd-bowles-new-york-jets-coach-opens-door-sitting-quarterback-ryan-fitzpatrick

[January J]

1 hour ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

They've gone back and forth.  Either may start.

 

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

Yup, First Bowles backed Fitzpatrick and said he would start, but now he is waffling.  Here's an article from ESPN stating that

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17828168/todd-bowles-new-york-jets-coach-opens-door-sitting-quarterback-ryan-fitzpatrick

Who would yall rather see? A struggling fitz or an inexperienced geno? 

For me I think I'd rather face geno.. Knowing our luck we will see fitz turn back into fitzmagic, I think geno will be extremely vulnerable and mistake prone BC he will be trying to do too much  to grab ahold of the starting job. Fitz knows he can't turn the ball over so he would be extremely careful and conservative with the ball. Either could bode well for us- I just hope the majority of our dbs are healthy. We need Jimmy and shareece out there. We've got a lot of footnball left to play- but I think its fair to say at this point with the way things are shaking out in the division and with the remaining schedule..this is indeed a MUST win. If we can't beat a struggling 1-5 team I will officially be punching the panic button.

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, January J said:

 

Who would yall rather see? A struggling fitz or an inexperienced geno? 

For me I think I'd rather face geno.. Knowing our luck we will see fitz turn back into fitzmagic, I think geno will be extremely vulnerable and mistake prone BC he will be trying to do too much  to grab ahold of the starting job. Fitz knows he can't turn the ball over so he would be extremely careful and conservative with the ball. Either could bode well for us- I just hope the majority of our dbs are healthy. We need Jimmy and shareece out there. We've got a lot of footnball left to play- but I think its fair to say at this point with the way things are shaking out in the division and with the remaining schedule..this is indeed a MUST win. If we can't beat a struggling 1-5 team I will officially be punching the panic button.

Well said and I think the biggest person we need back is Jimmy Smith. He can shut down Brandon Marshall like he has in the past but if the other cornerbacks play the way they have we are in trouble. Enumwa is an underrated receiver in the NFL and I see him making a couple splash plays like Cruz did last week. We need Jimmy Smith out there.

[January J]

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

Well said and I think the biggest person we need back is Jimmy Smith. He can shut down Brandon Marshall like he has in the past but if the other cornerbacks play the way they have we are in trouble. Enumwa is an underrated receiver in the NFL and I see him making a couple splash plays like Cruz did last week. We need Jimmy Smith out there.

Yep I've got enumwa on my fantasy team- he could have a big day if our starters aren't healthy. Im probably going to keep him on the bench though -as long as wright and tavon are out there i think they can hold it down. Atleast we don't have to deal with decker too. Will Davis disappointed me last week. No wonder he hasnt started, I kept wondering why he was inactive and he showed me Sunday. Just reminded me that the coaches generally know best.

[Tank 92]

Jimmy or no Jimmy, we need a freaking pass rush. Period.

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, Maryland said:

Considering they have home-field advantage (which is worth 3 points), the fact that this is a pick-em spread says the oddsmakers believe that we're better than the Jets, all things being even. If this game was at Baltimore, it'd be a 6 point spread, just to put things in perspective. 

Alex Lewis just missed a game because of a concussion, and it's not like he had a concussion history. Other players will get IR'd by concussions (see: Sam Shields, who was IR'd just yesterday). Seems like sustaining a concussion puts you out a minimum of 1 game these days. -Plus, given the Bye week coming up, it might just make sense to sit him out for a week, since that'd give his brain just under 3 weeks to "heal."

Alex Lewis was active, but didn't have the practice necessary for a rookie to start.

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, iceripper said:

Here are some things I'd like to change:

Dixon/West/Allen as our 3rd down back. Juice ain't bad, but everyone knows we're not running it with Juice.

Waller isn't the right answer at gunner. He misses crucial tackles. He seemed to be a good gunner last season because most returner signaled a fair catch. But in reality he easily get's outjuked because he hasn't good body control.

3 man rushes and drop 8 into coverage. 

This will earn you some fans.

[iceripper]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

This will earn you some fans.

But this is the only way esp. against Fitzpatrick/Geno. We have a non-existent pass rush atm. and if Pees decides to blitz our coverage gets exposed i.e. leaving B.Marshall on an island against Wright/Davis/Young. Good luck with that. Or do you see another way/strategy?

[January J]

2 hours ago, Moderator 3 said:

 

They've gone back and forth.  Either may start.

 

1 hour ago, VermontRaven said:

Yup, First Bowles backed Fitzpatrick and said he would start, but now he is waffling.  Here's an article from ESPN stating that

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17828168/todd-bowles-new-york-jets-coach-opens-door-sitting-quarterback-ryan-fitzpatrick

Probably also a little gamesmanship involved there.

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, iceripper said:

But this is the only way esp. against Fitzpatrick/Geno. We have a non-existent pass rush atm. and if Pees decides to blitz our coverage gets exposed i.e. leaving B.Marshall on an island against Wright/Davis/Young. Good luck with that. Or do you see another way/strategy?

Oh no. The only way to get pressure if your four man rush isn't working is to send seven on a blitz and then have both ends loop inside with stunts run by the defensive tackles. Then, you're two inside linebackers have to do a cross gap blitz. Finally, finish it off with a safety blitz from your single high safety 20 yards back. Then and only then can you say you tried.

[VermontRaven]

Looks like we will be facing Geno, according to Adam Schefter:

Adam Schefter ESPN Senior Writer 

Jets plan to name Geno Smith their new starting QB today, per league sources.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On 10/16/2016 at 3:14 PM, Sami84 said:

btw..Ryan Fitzpatick when not pressured can play as good as anyone in this league..

You were saying?

[rmcjacket23]

Per Zrebiec:

Stanley and Wagner practiced today, so looking good for them to return Sunday.

Most of the names you would expect are out...Yanda, Hester, Suggs, Steve Smith, Mosley, Dumervil, Wright and Powers all not practicing. Jimmy is practicing in a non-contact jersey, so would appear to bode well for him being available Sunday as well.

Interesting note is that Joe did not practice today, Harbaugh to address that later apparently. Some speculation that he looked "woozy" in the locker room after the game and it was possible that he suffered a concussion Sunday, but Mike Preston has denied this.

Edited October 19, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[jboy19]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Per Zrebiec:

Stanley and Wagner practiced today, so looking good for them to return Sunday.

Most of the names you would expect are out...Yanda, Hester, Suggs, Steve Smith, Mosley, Dumervil, Wright and Powers all not practicing. Jimmy is practicing in a non-contact jersey, so would appear to bode well for him being available Sunday as well.

Interesting note is that Joe did not practice today, Harbaugh to address that later apparently. Some speculation that he looked "woozy" in the locker room after the game and it was possible that he suffered a concussion Sunday, but Mike Preston has denied this.

It is vets day off, so I'm not freaking out quite yet. My guess is that Joe has some soreness from Sunday. He did take a lot of hits. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

It is vets day off, so I'm not freaking out quite yet. My guess is that Joe has some soreness from Sunday. He did take a lot of hits. 

I'm not concerned yet either, but I rarely see QBs taking a "veterans day off" during the season.

[darklight1216]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

It is vets day off, so I'm not freaking out quite yet. My guess is that Joe has some soreness from Sunday. He did take a lot of hits. 

He's also in his thirties. Those guys normally get some days off.

 

Still, I found it passing strange that his postgame interview was in the locker room rather than at the podium. The only other time I remember that happening was when he tore his Acl.

[Moderator 3]

5 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

It is vets day off, so I'm not freaking out quite yet. My guess is that Joe has some soreness from Sunday. He did take a lot of hits. 

Isn't that usually Thursday?

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Isn't that usually Thursday?

Was going to say the same thing. Pretty sure Suggs and Yanda were typically getting Thursday's off before their injuries occurred.

Regardless, don't recall Joe getting any of these veteran days off, but could be wrong. The QB, obviously, is as involved in practice and gameplanning as it gets, and they typically hate to miss practice time during game week.

Probably some minor soreness from Sunday and just being cautious, but hopefully we'll get a clearer picture later in the day.

[allblackraven]

G. Smith will start for Jets vs Ravens:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000723914/article/geno-smith-to-start-at-qb-for-jets-vs-ravens

[jboy19]

8 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Isn't that usually Thursday?

I could definitely be wrong. Its hard to tell since the vets who typically get a day off have all been on the injury report anyway. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Not sure how I feel about Geno starting. I think I'd rather us face him, because I think his potential/upside is lower than Fitz. Fitz can get on and shred you... but he's also prone to big mistakes that cost games. So there's that.

Geno, is also prone to the big mistakes (fumbled, then threw game sealing INT on Monday night)... but doesnt have the gunslinger mentality. He's more mobile, but hes not Tyrod who we did a nice job of bottling up. The major downside is that we dont have any recent film on Geno or what their offense looks like with a week to prepare the gameplan with him as the starter.

that can certainly work us against us. But it can also work against them, where they may not be as in sync across the board with a slightly different game plan.

One big positive for them is that his mobility probably alleviates some of the issues theyre having along the OL. And he's probably a little safer with the football, and so will prob be less likely to just throw the game away.

 

But, we need this win. We're desperate. Im as optimistic for this season as it gets - but this is a MUST WIN game if there ever was one. We need to get this one in before the bye so we can come back healthy, tied for 1st in the AFCN. That Steelers game with both of us coming off the bye NEEDS to be for the division lead. We wont have a problem getting up for it, but the bigger the better with that game.

Hopefully the fact that their locker room is not behind Geno helps too. Theyre pros so doubt it impacts much, but Marshall for one isnt going to defend Geno like he would Fitz. That situation could be about to burst with some of those personalities. We saw how Chicago spiraled once Cutler came back and Marshall didnt like it. 

[January J]

25 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not sure how I feel about Geno starting. I think I'd rather us face him, because I think his potential/upside is lower than Fitz. Fitz can get on and shred you... but he's also prone to big mistakes that cost games. So there's that.

Geno, is also prone to the big mistakes (fumbled, then threw game sealing INT on Monday night)... but doesnt have the gunslinger mentality. He's more mobile, but hes not Tyrod who we did a nice job of bottling up. The major downside is that we dont have any recent film on Geno or what their offense looks like with a week to prepare the gameplan with him as the starter.

that can certainly work us against us. But it can also work against them, where they may not be as in sync across the board with a slightly different game plan.

One big positive for them is that his mobility probably alleviates some of the issues theyre having along the OL. And he's probably a little safer with the football, and so will prob be less likely to just throw the game away.

 

But, we need this win. We're desperate. Im as optimistic for this season as it gets - but this is a MUST WIN game if there ever was one. We need to get this one in before the bye so we can come back healthy, tied for 1st in the AFCN. That Steelers game with both of us coming off the bye NEEDS to be for the division lead. We wont have a problem getting up for it, but the bigger the better with that game.

Hopefully the fact that their locker room is not behind Geno helps too. Theyre pros so doubt it impacts much, but Marshall for one isnt going to defend Geno like he would Fitz. That situation could be about to burst with some of those personalities. We saw how Chicago spiraled once Cutler came back and Marshall didnt like it. 

Yeah I'd much rather face geno. You never know what fitz might  show up. Tosses 6 picks one day and then 4 TDs the next in a heartbeat. His confidence has been shattered but geno doesn't have much of that either. And he also doesn't have as much of a rapport/ chemistry with his receivers or whole offense for that matter. My guess is if they start geno he will struggle mightily. Perfect game for us to get back on track.

As far as  Joe goes- I'm guessing just a precaution due to a little soreness or maybe they made him go through concussion protocol. I didnt see anything when rewatching  game  that would have done him any harm. That one hit that got the roughing the passer flag could have rung  his bell a bit- but I'm sure he's fine. Guess we'll find out here in the next half hour or so.

Edited October 19, 2016 by January J

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Glad to see Stanley and Wagner back practicing. Getting Stanley back is the #1 most important thing for the OL - bigger than Yanda imo. We need solid bookend play... the interior guys have been doing pretty well the past 2 weeks.

Jimmy practicing is a big positive.

Hoping we can get Mosley back too. That'd be huge. Yanda is another one im hoping to see back, but not expecting it.

With Stanley, Wagner, and Jimmy back I expect a win. If we get Mosley and/or Yanda back I guarantee it.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Flac has right shoulder injury, legit chance to play according to harbs.

Edited October 19, 2016 by RavensPunkXVX

[January J]

Shoot even if Mallet has to start I'm condfident we can win  this  game if we get stanley, Wagner, jimmy and Mosley back. Our defense will shut geno down and probably put up some points on their own. Then we just punch the ball down their throat with west. Mallet has a cannon so we'll still be able to stretch the feild as well. Let's hope it doesn't come to that but I'm confident either way.

[VermontRaven]

34 minutes ago, January J said:

Shoot even if Mallet has to start I'm condfident we can win  this  game if we get stanley, Wagner, jimmy and Mosley back. Our defense will shut geno down and probably put up some points on their own. Then we just punch the ball down their throat with west. Mallet has a cannon so we'll still be able to stretch the feild as well. Let's hope it doesn't come to that but I'm confident either way.

Do I think we can win with Mallett? Yes.

Does the thought of him starting scare me?  Yes. 

Definitely still a winnable game if Mallett has to play, but greatly decreases our margin for error.  All the other players must step up because it is a definite drop off from a Superbowl MVP franchise QB to a serviceable backup QB.

Very good sign that Wagner and Stanley are practicing.--I think there is a good chance they both play.

Jimmy-also a very good sign that he is practicing--but still no certainty he will be cleared--the concussion protocol is very difficult to guess when someone will be cleared.

Mosley--Still not practicing--My gut says he will be out another game, but hopefully my gut is wrong. 

Bottom line--Ravens have to step up and find a way to get the W this week, regardless of who is healthy and who is not.  I'm still very optimistic about this season, but a 4th straight loss would be difficult to overcome.