Next Up: Ravens at New York Jets at Metlife Stadium 10/23/2016

[PurpleCity5]

I think we win this game. I liked what Marty was able to do last game. Six days just is not enough time for an OC to get ready. I sure hope in the coming weeks he can put it together. 

[ravefan52]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Judon is exactly what Upshaw could've been. He needs to be better at setting the edge, though. 

Absolutely. It all depends on how aggressive we want to be. The Falcons surrendered their 2011 1st and 2nd round picks, and their 2012 1st and 4th round picks. I think they also gave up their 2011 4th round pick, but I can't remember for sure right now. Bottom-line is that's a high price but they paid it and while you can say the Falcons suffered for years because of it, I think we need to make a move to get a guy of his [Garrett's] talent. It does depends on the price, though. Maxx Williams and Correa haven't exactly panned out of us, and yes, we have had 2nd rounders pan out, but let's face it--would you take an outstanding player or two really good players? I would normally be OK with two really good players, but I think we are really desperate for an outstanding player right now and I don't see a better pass rusher than Garrett. Then again, our season isn't over yet so we'll have to see how far we go or don't go as that price may not even be that much. 

I would love nothing more than to get Garrett, but it's very unlikely. Every team is going to look at him as another Von Miller (or better) and everyone has seen the impact a guy like that has. My point is I think it's going to be an incredibly steep asking price and you know how Ozzie loves stockpiling picks to get players that might be pretty good a few years down the road.

[PurpleCity5]

14 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

I would love nothing more than to get Garrett, but it's very unlikely. Every team is going to look at him as another Von Miller (or better) and everyone has seen the impact a guy like that has. My point is I think it's going to be an incredibly steep asking price and you know how Ozzie loves stockpiling picks to get players that might be pretty good a few years down the road.

To also add, it doesn't seem likely that we will be picking in the top 15. There's teams out there picking in the top 10 who would give up a load for Garrett. That sucks for us because another team can offer an earlier 1st and 2nd rounder. Much more enticing than any package we would give up. 

[PurpleCity5]

If we win this game, we're at 4-3, after that you got Pitt and I think we'll take that one. Nothing bad about a 5-3 record. After that its Cleveland which is another game I think we should win. 6-3 is a great start to a first half of the season. Dallas will be difficult but if we steal that one it's 7-3. I don't know why you all are ready to cut this season short. There's still a lot of time. 

[RavensFanMania]

21 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

If we win this game, we're at 4-3, after that you got Pitt and I think we'll take that one. Nothing bad about a 5-3 record. After that its Cleveland which is another game I think we should win. 6-3 is a great start to a first half of the season. Dallas will be difficult but if we steal that one it's 7-3. I don't know why you all are ready to cut this season short. There's still a lot of time. 

If we start to get some healthy bodies back and cut down on the penalties and continue to improve as an offense the is a very real possibility.

Go Ravens!

[PurpleCity5]

7 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

If we start to get some healthy bodies back and cut down on the penalties and continue to improve as an offense the is a very real possibility.

Go Ravens!

We have a badly needed bye week after this game. Getting Stanley, Yanda, Smith Sr., Doom and Jimmy back by then is more than a boost for this team. It's an explosion. 

[PurpleCity5]

I totally forgot, Joe has only 1 multi TD game this season. Not good at all. I hope to see better numbers for Joe. I know stats don't tell the whole story but you definitely want to see your QB throw TDs out there. It's better for him to if he's putting up numbers out there. Nothing wrong with being critical of that at all. 

[JO_75]

Steelers are likely to lose next week, especially with Ben out for the game and we need this win to take advantage of it. We couldn't take advantage of it this week but next week we have to. They drop to 4-3, we improve to 4-3(think our AFC Record will get us the tiebreaker. We are 3-1, would be 4-1 after beating the Jets and Steelers would 3-2) and Bengals play the Browns. 

We caught a break with the Steelers losing Ben, we need to take advantage and get into the BYE at 4-3, and then begin the second half. In 2012, we lost our first game after firing Cam Cameron. We then won the next week 33-14 and I see us taking advantage of Revis being old and his play starting to fall off. 

Ravens 31 Jets 13

[CaliRavenFan]

3 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I think we win this game. I liked what Marty was able to do last game. Six days just is not enough time for an OC to get ready. I sure hope in the coming weeks he can put it together. 

I loved seeing him use our TEs so much in the game, now just please learn how to properly run the QB Sneak on short yard situations! Put some big boys behind Joe to push that pile and stop trying to get to fancy.

[January J]

3 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Steelers are likely to lose next week, especially with Ben out for the game and we need this win to take advantage of it. We couldn't take advantage of it this week but next week we have to. They drop to 4-3, we improve to 4-3(think our AFC Record will get us the tiebreaker. We are 3-1, would be 4-1 after beating the Jets and Steelers would 3-2) and Bengals play the Browns. 

We caught a break with the Steelers losing Ben, we need to take advantage and get into the BYE at 4-3, and then begin the second half. In 2012, we lost our first game after firing Cam Cameron. We then won the next week 33-14 and I see us taking advantage of Revis being old and his play starting to fall off. 

Ravens 31 Jets 13

Agreed. Big Ben has a torn meniscus but its likely he will only be out 3 weeks and they have a valuable bye week coming up too which gives him an extra week. We HAVE to take advantage of next week and grab ahold of the north. They're facing new england too, so we've got the opportunity right in our face.  Beat the jets-  Get healthy during the bye and face Pittsburgh all hands on deck ready to put some space between us. Then anything can happen. So far this season has been eerily similar to 2012. Lose to redskins- fire o.c- lose next game- ray lewis tears his bicep- you know the rest.  Obviously history doesn't always repeat itself but its fun to think about.  I don't care how tough our schedule is- we've shown year after year that we can hang with anybody in the league on any given Sunday. Its all about just getting hot at the RIGHT TIME.

[hen826957]

If we lose to the Jets the season is over. The Ravens gonna have to win 3-5 straight games in order for a chance to win the division and  even playoff berth. If we were 6-0 we would've look pretty good shape and the 1 seed now those three losses put preasure a lot on the Ravens. They really can't afford to lose no more than 3 games at best for the rest of the season maybe even 2. 

[darklight1216]

I think Baltimore wins this one. They can't afford not to. But just like every other game this year, it's going to be close. I'll guess something in the neighborhood of:

20-17 Ravens

[Cillmatic]

6 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

The Jets pass defense is awful, and Fitzpatrick will force throws if they get behind. This could be the perfect chance for the Ravens to turn things around. Plus Marty will have a bit more time to fine tune the offense, since you can't expect a new OC to do that within a week during the season.

Redskins pass D sucked too...

[Edug27]

Positivity....

- Bengals are 2-4. 

- Steelers will be without Ben for acouple weeks

- We are one game out of the division lead

- Offense looks like it will keep getting better

 

[Somerset Ravens]

1 hour ago, Edug27 said:

Positivity....

- Bengals are 2-4. 

- Steelers will be without Ben for acouple weeks

- We are one game out of the division lead

- Offense looks like it will keep getting better

 

It is nice to see some positive spirit after yesterday.

[ellicottraven]

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

One game would seem to be a bit premature to have that view. 

Nevertheless, its not like anybody really thought Trestman was the entire problem anyway.

The dramatic changes that we need is for players to get healthy (and stay healthy) and for most of the team to start playing better. 

How long are we rationalizing our poor performances on injury? I'm not saying injuries don't matter, but frankly I don't think injuries are relegated only to the Ravens. They happen across the league and there are several teams that play through these injuries well. Case in point the Pats. I hate to say it but the Pats do it no matter who is playing because I think they plan for these things and have built in contingencies to be competitive no matter what. No Brady, no problem. No Revis, no problem, etc. We aren't very good offensively and it has nothing to do with injuries.

Edited October 17, 2016 by ellicottraven

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ellicottraven said:

How long are we rationalizing our poor performances on injury? I'm not saying injuries don't matter, but frankly I don't think injuries are relegated only to the Ravens. They happen across the league and there are several teams that play through these injuries well. Case in point the Pats. I hate to say it but the Pats do it no matter who is playing because I think they plan for these things and have built in contingencies to be competitive no matter what. No Brady, no problem. No Revis, no problem, etc. We aren't very good offensively and it has nothing to do with injuries.

Yes but there's a difference. Excluding probably QB, most teams can play their way out of injuries that occur PRIOR to the game.

We had a week to devise a gameplan for our offensive line that didn't involve having its three best players, and while they didn't do well, they also exceeded my expectations given how many players we lost. We've proven in the past that we can overcome injuries if we have time to prepare without certain players. We won multiple games with James Hurst at LT when we knew Monroe was going to be out... that's an astounding accomplishment itself.

What is far more difficult to overcome, however, is in-game injuries. Its not hard to see that Jimmy Smith getting a concussion was sort of the turning point in the game. I mean how does Beckham go for like 20 yards in the 1st half and 200 in the 2nd? What did he just decide he wanted to start playing then?

I never said anything about us offensively... we exceeded my expectations on offense yesterday quite frankly. Yesterday's game was a total letdown on defense, specifically the 2nd half. Big play after big play after big play allowed. You won't here me saying that Steve Smith being out is the reason we can't score. You will hear me say that if we're going to be missing 60% of our offensive line that we aren't going to win, because our roster isn't constructed to handle those kinds of losses. There are players on the Patriots that they can't afford to lose for a long period of time either (we all know the gigantic dropoff in production when Gronk is out).

We don't have a pass rush, which doesn't have a ton to do with injuries, and when both of you're best corners are out for much of the 2nd half, its sort of game over at that point against a passing attack with that much talent.

At the end of the day, its still a team sport. When everybody on the planet knows that the offense is going to struggle due to lack of production AND injuries, its up to the defense to step up and help them out. If that sounds like a broken record, so be it, but if the defense just throws its hands up and says "we can't bail you out forever", then everybody loses. They don't give wins and losses to individual sides of the ball... they both get the same at the end of the game.

The defense has been very good for most of the season. Yesterday, due to lack of production and in-game injuries, they simply weren't.

[playlikeawhat]

8 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I totally forgot, Joe has only 1 multi TD game this season. Not good at all. I hope to see better numbers for Joe. I know stats don't tell the whole story but you definitely want to see your QB throw TDs out there. It's better for him to if he's putting up numbers out there. Nothing wrong with being critical of that at all. 

Have you seen our receiving group this year?  LOL  Joe would likely have multiple games with multiple TDs if receivers played like they've been there before.  Perriman's lack of veteran technique cost us against the Redskins.  Aiken failed to sustain our final drive against the Raiders despite looking like a rising star the latter half of 2015.  Truth is we STILL haven't solved the WR problem when it comes to acquiring elite playmakers.  Somehow we've always fallen short when it comes to nabbing a pass-catcher who simply can't be stopped at times (Megatron, Fitz, AJ Green, A Brown, Gronk, hell even OBJ when he's focused lol).

[DomMcRaven]

10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

The Jets pass defense is awful, and Fitzpatrick will force throws if they get behind. This could be the perfect chance for the Ravens to turn things around. Plus Marty will have a bit more time to fine tune the offense, since you can't expect a new OC to do that within a week during the season.

Watch them look like a million bucks against us. 

8 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Steelers are likely to lose next week, especially with Ben out for the game and we need this win to take advantage of it. We couldn't take advantage of it this week but next week we have to. They drop to 4-3, we improve to 4-3(think our AFC Record will get us the tiebreaker. We are 3-1, would be 4-1 after beating the Jets and Steelers would 3-2) and Bengals play the Browns. 

We caught a break with the Steelers losing Ben, we need to take advantage and get into the BYE at 4-3, and then begin the second half. In 2012, we lost our first game after firing Cam Cameron. We then won the next week 33-14 and I see us taking advantage of Revis being old and his play starting to fall off. 

Ravens 31 Jets 13

If only we can score 30+ points. This will be another one possession game as it's been for the last 20 of 22 games we've played.

[jazz1988]

19 minutes ago, playlikeawhat said:

Have you seen our receiving group this year?  LOL  Joe would likely have multiple games with multiple TDs if receivers played like they've been there before.  Perriman's lack of veteran technique cost us against the Redskins.  Aiken failed to sustain our final drive against the Raiders despite looking like a rising star the latter half of 2015.  Truth is we STILL haven't solved the WR problem when it comes to acquiring elite playmakers.  Somehow we've always fallen short when it comes to nabbing a pass-catcher who simply can't be stopped at times (Megatron, Fitz, AJ Green, A Brown, Gronk, hell even OBJ when he's focused lol).

 

Having a elite receiver is cool but it's not like  a team can't get far in this league with out one. The Ravens did in 2012 when they went to the super bowl. The Panthers went to the Super Bowl with out a elite receiver  and The Seahawks did it twice with out one as well. I think Flacco has the right amount of receivers to make plays  with and get touchdown but the receivers just need to play better .

 

Steve Smith return would be helpful as well since he's most dependable receiver The Ravens have right now.

Edited October 17, 2016 by jazz1988

[OUravensfan]

9 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I totally forgot, Joe has only 1 multi TD game this season. Not good at all. I hope to see better numbers for Joe. I know stats don't tell the whole story but you definitely want to see your QB throw TDs out there. It's better for him to if he's putting up numbers out there. Nothing wrong with being critical of that at all. 

Yea I agree it's frustrating. Too bad Wallace was intentionally fouled twice because that could have been 2 big ones that would help his stat sheet. At least he didn't get any INTs either I suppose.

His rating is awful so far, YPA being the culprit, and that can be traced to bad O line play and poor WR separation 

[playlikeawhat]

5 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Having a elite receiver is cool but it's not like  a team can't get far in this league with out one. The Ravens did in 2012 when they went to the super bowl. The Panthers went to the Super Bowl with out a elite receiver  and The Seahawks did it twice with out one as well.

When the Ravens did it in 2012, the receivers stepped up during the playoff stretch.  Hell, even Ed Dickson managed to not ritually drop drive-saving passes.  My point is it's a receivers' job to elevate their level of play but we consistently blame Joe when they fail.  I've lost count of how many times I saw Joe place the ball where it needed to be and the receiver legitimately failed on their own.

Edited October 17, 2016 by playlikeawhat

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Redskins pass D sucked too...

I think The Ravens offensive coordinator knows how to attack a weak secondary better than Marc Trestman . I can tell right now if Marty was the offensive coordinator sooner rather than later The Ravens would have most likely been 5-1 right now

[OUravensfan]

A lot of people are upset with the decision to go for it on 4th down....I'm sorry it's a no brainer to go for it in that situation, if you can't get 3 yards in 4 plays you don't deserve to win, but no team settles for a FG there. I hate the pitch call and felt West did a bad job turning it up field, but you still have to go for it.

I also see ridiculous comments claiming Flacco is terrible at the QB sneak, this is simply not true, yesterday was one rare occurrence where it actually didn't work.

[RavensFanMania]

1 minute ago, OUravensfan said:

A lot of people are upset with the decision to go for it on 4th down....I'm sorry it's a no brainer to go for it in that situation, if you can't get 3 yards in 4 plays you don't deserve to win, but no team settles for a FG there. I hate the pitch call and felt West did a bad job turning it up field, but you still have to go for it.

I also see ridiculous comments claiming Flacco is terrible at the QB sneak, this is simply not true, yesterday was one rare occurrence where it actually didn't work.

Although I agree with you that going for I'm in 4th and 1 on many occasions should be a no brainer, but when you have backups playing 4 positions along the line it wasn't a good move. 

That being said it isn't the reason we lost. If we take the points there we punt on 4th and 5 on our own 30 with 5 mins to go. 

We most likely would still go for it. Btw, i didn't hear anyone saying if it was wrong to go for it on 4th and 5 on our own 30. If we had missed Harbaugh would have had his head ripped off. 

Harbaugh is one of the most respected coaches in the league and the players respect him. Getting rid of him would be tragic. 

[OUravensfan]

35 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Although I agree with you that going for I'm in 4th and 1 on many occasions should be a no brainer, but when you have backups playing 4 positions along the line it wasn't a good move. 

That being said it isn't the reason we lost. If we take the points there we punt on 4th and 5 on our own 30 with 5 mins to go. 

We most likely would still go for it. Btw, i didn't hear anyone saying if it was wrong to go for it on 4th and 5 on our own 30. If we had missed Harbaugh would have had his head ripped off. 

Harbaugh is one of the most respected coaches in the league and the players respect him. Getting rid of him would be tragic. 

That play was lucky imo, Flacco and Aiken made that broken play. I think we should roll Joe out more but not on a 4th and 1. 

[redrum52]

19 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

We aren't beating anyone with this offensive line full of high school players. Better pray Stanley, Yanda and even Wagner are back. This is just sad to watch. 

The OL played more than well enough for us to win.  Penalties cost us at timea, but the blocking held up for the most part. 

[jboy19]

Considering that the Jets are going to be coming off a short week from a west coast game, their defense is weak on the back end and Fitz is a bad QB, I feel more confident about this game than I have about the last 3. 

[OUravensfan]

11 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Considering that the Jets are going to be coming off a short week from a west coast game, their defense is weak on the back end and Fitz is a bad QB, I feel more confident about this game than I have about the last 3. 

We'll find a way to make it come down to the last possession. If we can't block its over for Joe again and they are much better than NYG who dominated our line.

Edited October 17, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Drew P]

The Aiken great story was last year he looks terrible maybe why that's why Joe didn't sling it his way when he was wide open in the EZ