Next Up: Ravens at New York Jets at Metlife Stadium 10/23/2016

[Cville-Raven]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So let's see

Lose to redskins? Check

Fire OC? Check

Lose next game to Manning brother? Check

Three game Losing Streak? Check

Fans freaking out? Check. 

Play team from new york week after manning Brother? Check...

 

I could see us winning this one. According to the trends we do

You're also forgetting the most important one. Kaepernick taking the starting job. 

[VermontRaven]

2 hours ago, Raving_Heathen said:

Does it even matter at this point what we do vs the Jets? The Ravens have had the easiest opening schedule in the history of this franchise and have managed a .500 record. Some people will point out we could be 5-1 or even 6-0, but we could also very, very easily be 0-6 right now. This team has been firmly mediocre going back to last season, so it's hard to be optimistic that we'll suddenly get good with the teeth of the schedule coming up soon. I'd feel a lot better about the team if we managed to lay real a hurting on the Jets, but that doesn't seem likely. If we win it'll probably be a 19-17 affair or something ugly like that.

I know these last 3 weeks have been very frustrating, but this team is still capable of making it to playoffs. The pessimist says we could have lost every game. The optimist says we could have won every game. Bottom line is I see a realistic (not easy but doable) path to 10-6, which most likely gets us to playoffs, especially with 3 losses being to NFC teams:

Win @ Jets next week

Win our home games (Steelers, Browns, Dolphins, Bengals, Eagles)

"Steal" a win on road somewhere (Cowboys, Patriots, Steelers, Bengals)

 

Am I a bit if an optimistic homer?  Of course I am, but I still have faith in this team! Go Ravens!  True character shows when things aren't going well.  Now's the real time to show how to "play like a Raven"

Edited October 16, 2016 by VermontRaven

[Cillmatic]

If we lose here I think we can call it a season.

[OUravensfan]

This is a must win game I think, it would be awful to go into the bye with a 4 game losing streak having to play the Steelers next 

[TurkishRaven]

I think this will be our easiest win of the season. I see us winning by +10. 

 

I don't think we will win it all tho, so even if we lose all of our games I would not be sad. We need better players.

[JO_75]

Our BYE Week in 2012 was in week 8. In 2016, our BYE week.... Week 8. Boy I like the out look for the rest of the season.

[Cillmatic]

6 minutes ago, TurkishRaven said:

I see us winning by +10. 

What on earth makes you think

that?! WHEN has this team won by +10 points?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If the oline comes back I think we win this game. We need Yanda, Wagner, and Stanley back, and possibly keep Urschel at LG. Defense if we can get Jimmy back to cover Marshall that'd be huge. 

 

We would need to pressure Fitzpatrick a little but he's nowhere close to as good as Eli is. 

 

I honestly think we pull out the W. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 hour ago, DomMcRaven said:

What up with Stanley's injury? Is it Perriman-level bad?

considering he's been practicing lately no. If I recall correctly he was playing through it at the start of the season and we decided to let him heal. 

[RavensFanMania]

3 hours ago, Daft Classic said:

Zuttah has really turned some heads the past couple of weeks, including my own. I was calling for him to be benched, but he's now one of our more consistent O-linemen. But when everyone gets healthy, I wouldn't mind Lewis shifting to RT to take over for Wagner. Urschel hasn't been bad, and Wagner was having a tough time even before he got hurt. I'd love to see a line of:

Stanley - Urschel - Zuttah - Yanda - Lewis

I agree, I'd like to see Lewis at rt 

[Militant X 1]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

So let's see

Lose to redskins? Check

Fire OC? Check

Lose next game to Manning brother? Check

Three game Losing Streak? Check

Fans freaking out? Check. 

Play team from new york week after manning Brother? Check...

 

I could see us winning this one. According to the trends we do

Let me chime in on some of this please LT....

Cut Forsett...Check

Lose to the Deadskins...Check

Fire Trestman....Check

Lost to the Giants to make it 3 straight losses...Check

Offense still can't score enough points to put a team away even when the defense gets them the ball....Check

Defense still giving up big plays whenever the offense is finally able to get a lead....Check

Same ole' inept and downright piss poor performance for 6 weeks straight now...CHECK, CHECK and more CHECKS!!

4 hours ago, Sami84 said:

btw..Ryan Fitzpatick when not pressured can play as good as anyone in this league..

 

guess what...we aint pressuring him ..

 

with all the other injuries

this is another LOSS

 

steelers will lose vs the patriots though..so i guess for all you sunshine and rainbow people that will be enough

LOL!!!

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, Militant X 1 said:

Let me chime in on some of this please LT....

Cut Forsett...Check

Lose to the Deadskins...Check

Fire Trestman....Check

Lost to the Giants to make it 3 straight losses...Check

Offense still can't score enough points to put a team away even when the defense gets them the ball....Check

Defense still giving up big plays whenever the offense is finally able to get a lead....Check

Same ole' inept and downright piss poor performance for 6 weeks straight now...CHECK, CHECK and more CHECKS!!

LOL!!!

 

I get your anger but the fact that we looked a hell of a lot better with backups in today show that the playcalling had a lot to do with our inteptness...

 

Now if we could ever get healthy lol. Remember, we have a lot of young talent in the team that is in the process of developing. I've been saying for awhile I don't think this is the year for a SB but give it 2-3 years... 

 

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

What on earth makes you think

that?! WHEN has this team won by +10 points?

I know right!?! This team LOVES playing close games. 20 out of our last 22 games played have been decided by 8 points or fewer. 20 of 22. I REPEAT. TWENTY OF TWENTY-TWO! I expect this to continue next week. 

[DomMcRaven]

In addition, if there was ever a game for ZDS (losing hope) and Judon to step up, it'd be this one. Our pass-rush is just..............bad.

[Militant X 1]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I get your anger but the fact that we looked a hell of a lot better with backups in today show that the playcalling had a lot to do with our inteptness...

 

Now if we could ever get healthy lol. Remember, we have a lot of young talent in the team that is in the process of developing. I've been saying for awhile I don't think this is the year for a SB but give it 2-3 years... 

 

Sure, a few key players of ours were out today but Injuries are to be expected LT.  And the backups have to be the type of players that are dogs that can step in and step up to fill that role no questions asked and without any excuses made.  I loved what Brad Jackson on Postgame/Ravens Extra had to say about it today after the game...

"How many sacks did they have today?  I'll tell you...one!  Suggs!  Suggs is the only one that had a sack today.  Last week you had zero sacks and this week you get one sack.  So, you're not putting pressure on the quarterback.  You have as he (Harbaugh) said, backup players.  But, they're on your team because YOU (Harbaugh) CHOSE THEM throughout training camp and the off season to say that they were good enough because we know the NFL is a LEAGUE OF INJURIES!  Injuries do occur and it's the team that manages them and have THE BETTER AMOUNT OF DEPTH and GOOD PLAYERS and make it a good opportunity for their players!"

LT, I've been saying for awhile now that our Ravens (personnel wise) imo are just not as good as we think they are or that we'd like them to be.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, Militant X 1 said:

Sure, a few key players of ours were out today but Injuries are to be expected LT.  And the backups have to be the type of players that are dogs that can step in and step up to fill that role no questions asked and without any excuses made.  I loved what Brad Jackson on Postgame/Ravens Extra had to say about it today after the game...

"How many sacks did they have today?  I'll tell you...one!  Suggs!  Suggs is the only one that had a sack today.  Last week you had zero sacks and this week you get one sack.  So, you're not putting pressure on the quarterback.  You have as he (Harbaugh) said, backup players.  But, they're on your team because YOU (Harbaugh) CHOSE THEM throughout training camp and the off season to say that they were good enough because we know the NFL is a LEAGUE OF INJURIES!  Injuries do occur and it's the team that manages them and have THE BETTER AMOUNT OF DEPTH and GOOD PLAYERS and make it a good opportunity for their players!"

LT, I've been saying for awhile now that our Ravens (personnel wise) imo are just not as good as we think they are or that we'd like them to be.

 

 

Even if we're not going to be an elite offense it doesn't mean we're gonna be bad. Even if injuries are to be expected you can't expect success when 3/5 olinemen are out, 1/5 olinemen is playing out of his starting position, and one of those linemen replacing the starters is a literal turnstile in James Hurst. Literally every team is gonna struggle when only 1/5 remains in the starting position. Even then we made some plays and looked better than we did at the start

 

I don't have any optimism for the pass rush. We can get a decent interior rush but can't rely on it 100% of the time. I wish we would've given Freeny a chance

 

[FoxRox75]

We should win, but with the way this season's going, who knows. Can we at least shoot for 6-10?

[ellicottraven]

After losing to the Skins, Giants and Raiders we are going to beat the Jets? Let's put some cautionary brakes on that thought because not only are we injured but the ones that aren't are playing terribly at least on offense. We need a dramatic change of some sort but I don't know what it is. Obviously firing Trestman was the least of our problems almost scape goaty in my view.

[AsianRice]

Not sure what i need to complain with all the mounting injuries....

 

Our guys need to play better and with some luck I guess.....

 

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

After losing to the Skins, Giants and Raiders we are going to beat the Jets? Let's put some cautionary brakes on that thought because not only are we injured but the ones that aren't are playing terribly at least on offense. We need a dramatic change of some sort but I don't know what it is. Obviously firing Trestman was the least of our problems almost scape goaty in my view.

One game would seem to be a bit premature to have that view. 

Nevertheless, its not like anybody really thought Trestman was the entire problem anyway.

The dramatic changes that we need is for players to get healthy (and stay healthy) and for most of the team to start playing better. 

[GrimCoconut]

21 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

Sure, a few key players of ours were out today but Injuries are to be expected LT.  And the backups have to be the type of players that are dogs that can step in and step up to fill that role no questions asked and without any excuses made.  I loved what Brad Jackson on Postgame/Ravens Extra had to say about it today after the game...

"How many sacks did they have today?  I'll tell you...one!  Suggs!  Suggs is the only one that had a sack today.  Last week you had zero sacks and this week you get one sack.  So, you're not putting pressure on the quarterback.  You have as he (Harbaugh) said, backup players.  But, they're on your team because YOU (Harbaugh) CHOSE THEM throughout training camp and the off season to say that they were good enough because we know the NFL is a LEAGUE OF INJURIES!  Injuries do occur and it's the team that manages them and have THE BETTER AMOUNT OF DEPTH and GOOD PLAYERS and make it a good opportunity for their players!"

LT, I've been saying for awhile now that our Ravens (personnel wise) imo are just not as good as we think they are or that we'd like them to be.

 

I can't blame Harbaugh necessarily for the depth. Yeah, he chose these guys but he chose them from a selection of players the general manager [Ozzie] acquired for him [Harbaugh]. To blame Harbaugh but not Ozzie seems a bit unfair. It's not like Harbaugh cut a guy who is making plays all over the field right now. No, we cut guys who aren't making a big impact elsewhere, either. If you want to blame anyone, it's Ozzie. With that said, there aren't many teams in the league that can lose their #1 pass rusher and CB in the same game and be down their #1 WR and their starting LT, RG, and RT and still win a game. These have been some really tough injuries. 

17 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Even if we're not going to be an elite offense it doesn't mean we're gonna be bad. Even if injuries are to be expected you can't expect success when 3/5 olinemen are out, 1/5 olinemen is playing out of his starting position, and one of those linemen replacing the starters is a literal turnstile in James Hurst. Literally every team is gonna struggle when only 1/5 remains in the starting position. Even then we made some plays and looked better than we did at the start

 

I don't have any optimism for the pass rush. We can get a decent interior rush but can't rely on it 100% of the time. I wish we would've given Freeny a chance

 

This is what I am saying as well. Huge turnover on the OL, losing Jimmy and Suggs while already being down Mosley are HUGE blows for any defense to overcome. These are not some minor losses. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can't blame Harbaugh necessarily for the depth. Yeah, he chose these guys but he chose them from a selection of players the general manager [Ozzie] acquired for him [Harbaugh]. To blame Harbaugh but not Ozzie seems a bit unfair. It's not like Harbaugh cut a guy who is making plays all over the field right now. No, we cut guys who aren't making a big impact elsewhere, either. If you want to blame anyone, it's Ozzie. With that said, there aren't many teams in the league that can lose their #1 pass rusher and CB in the same game and be down their #1 WR and their starting LT, RG, and RT and still win a game. These have been some really tough injuries. 

This is what I am saying as well. Huge turnover on the OL, losing Jimmy and Suggs while already being down Mosley are HUGE blows for any defense to overcome. These are not some minor losses. 

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Yup. Especially when Jimmy is a #1 CB, Yanda is a perrenial All pro, Stanley is a great rookie, Mosley has turned into an all around great player, and Suggs provides leadership an high IQ on the field. 

 

Judon needs to break out. If he can play decently and get the interior rush going we might be able to make some noise. 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Yup. Especially when Jimmy is a #1 CB, Yanda is a perrenial All pro, Stanley is a great rookie, Mosley has turned into an all around great player, and Suggs provides leadership an high IQ on the field. 

 

Judon needs to break out. If he can play decently and get the interior rush going we might be able to make some noise. 

Judon looks great. I don't think he will ever be the guy, you know, like a Von Miller, but I do think he can be the complement pass rusher to the guy. That's where I see his fit. We need that alpha dog, and that's why I am pounding the table for Myles Garrett and why I am supporting the idea of a trade-up to go get him. I think he is the missing link on this team. I haven't watched the recent game much, but I hear Zuttah looked better. I wouldn't just rely on him being better and I would draft a center early, but I would go as hard as I could for Garrett because we need exactly what he is selling. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

Judon looks great. I don't think he will ever be the guy, you know, like a Von Miller, but I do think he can be the complement pass rusher to the guy. That's where I see his fit. We need that alpha dog, and that's why I am pounding the table for Myles Garrett and why I am supporting the idea of a trade-up to go get him. I think he is the missing link on this team. I haven't watched the recent game much, but I hear Zuttah looked better. I wouldn't just rely on him being better and I would draft a center early, but I would go as hard as I could for Garrett because we need exactly what he is selling. 

 

I agree actually. Given that we can trade comp picks I think we should trade up for Garrett. We have ammo most other teams don't have now. I'd happily give up a first, second, and a couple of fourths to get Garrett. In addition to this, next season we get Kaufausi back and he has talent with rushing the passer, and we are pretty good at developing dlinemen. He could be boost to the pass rush as well. 

Again, I think our interior rush is good. Jernigan, Guy, Pearce can all get to the QB but we can't solely rely on them. We need somone on the edge. 

 

As for Judon I actually agree. I think he could nab like 6+ sacks a season. 

[allblackraven]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Judon looks great. I don't think he will ever be the guy, you know, like a Von Miller, but I do think he can be the complement pass rusher to the guy. That's where I see his fit. We need that alpha dog, and that's why I am pounding the table for Myles Garrett and why I am supporting the idea of a trade-up to go get him. I think he is the missing link on this team. I haven't watched the recent game much, but I hear Zuttah looked better. I wouldn't just rely on him being better and I would draft a center early, but I would go as hard as I could for Garrett because we need exactly what he is selling. 

Do you really think this is even a remote possibility, considering how high he is likely to go and that we probably aren't going to pick as high as last year?

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I agree actually. Given that we can trade comp picks I think we should trade up for Garrett. We have ammo most other teams don't have now. I'd happily give up a first, second, and a couple of fourths to get Garrett. In addition to this, next season we get Kaufausi back and he has talent with rushing the passer, and we are pretty good at developing dlinemen. He could be boost to the pass rush as well. 

Again, I think our interior rush is good. Jernigan, Guy, Pearce can all get to the QB but we can't solely rely on them. We need somone on the edge. 

 

As for Judon I actually agree. I think he could nab like 6+ sacks a season. 

I think Judon is exactly what Upshaw could've been. He needs to be better at setting the edge, though. 

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Do you really think this is even a remote possibility, considering how high he is likely to go and that we probably aren't going to pick as high as last year?

Absolutely. It all depends on how aggressive we want to be. The Falcons surrendered their 2011 1st and 2nd round picks, and their 2012 1st and 4th round picks. I think they also gave up their 2011 4th round pick, but I can't remember for sure right now. Bottom-line is that's a high price but they paid it and while you can say the Falcons suffered for years because of it, I think we need to make a move to get a guy of his [Garrett's] talent. It does depends on the price, though. Maxx Williams and Correa haven't exactly panned out of us, and yes, we have had 2nd rounders pan out, but let's face it--would you take an outstanding player or two really good players? I would normally be OK with two really good players, but I think we are really desperate for an outstanding player right now and I don't see a better pass rusher than Garrett. Then again, our season isn't over yet so we'll have to see how far we go or don't go as that price may not even be that much. 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think Judon is exactly what Upshaw could've been. He needs to be better at setting the edge, though. 

Absolutely. It all depends on how aggressive we want to be. The Falcons surrendered their 2011 1st and 2nd round picks, and their 2012 1st and 4th round picks. I think they also gave up their 2011 4th round pick, but I can't remember for sure right now. Bottom-line is that's a high price but they paid it and while you can say the Falcons suffered for years because of it, I think we need to make a move to get a guy of his [Garrett's] talent. It does depends on the price, though. Maxx Williams and Correa haven't exactly panned out of us, and yes, we have had 2nd rounders pan out, but let's face it--would you take an outstanding player or two really good players? I would normally be OK with two really good players, but I think we are really desperate for an outstanding player right now and I don't see a better pass rusher than Garrett. Then again, our season isn't over yet so we'll have to see how far we go or don't go as that price may not even be that much. 

Oh, I wouldn't hesitate at all - players like Garrett aren't available often in the draft. I'm not sure Ozzie would pay such a steep price though.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Sure, a few key players of ours were out today but Injuries are to be expected LT.  And the backups have to be the type of players that are dogs that can step in and step up to fill that role no questions asked and without any excuses made.  I loved what Brad Jackson on Postgame/Ravens Extra had to say about it today after the game...

"How many sacks did they have today?  I'll tell you...one!  Suggs!  Suggs is the only one that had a sack today.  Last week you had zero sacks and this week you get one sack.  So, you're not putting pressure on the quarterback.  You have as he (Harbaugh) said, backup players.  But, they're on your team because YOU (Harbaugh) CHOSE THEM throughout training camp and the off season to say that they were good enough because we know the NFL is a LEAGUE OF INJURIES!  Injuries do occur and it's the team that manages them and have THE BETTER AMOUNT OF DEPTH and GOOD PLAYERS and make it a good opportunity for their players!"

LT, I've been saying for awhile now that our Ravens (personnel wise) imo are just not as good as we think they are or that we'd like them to be.

 

BINGO! You are as right as rain. Harbs said today we only had 44 healthy players to play. Well, we have less than 44 now. The thing about excuses is that everybody has one. What happened to The Next Man Up philosophy? The truth is our depth chart is very shallow. Stop making excuses, Coach Harbaugh! We don't have backup players who can capably fill in for the starters. That was made patently obvious today by the patchwork O-line and the secondary, not to mention the loss of T-Sizzle. Somebody in the front office better wake up and smell the roses. To coin a quote from the movie Cool Hand Luke, what we have here is failure to communicate. Everybody is not on the same page.

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Oh, I wouldn't hesitate at all - players like Garrett aren't available often in the draft. I'm not sure Ozzie would pay such a steep price though.

He surely would. He wanted to move up for KMack back in 2014 but I think the Raiders really wanted him. 

[RaineV1]

The Jets pass defense is awful, and Fitzpatrick will force throws if they get behind. This could be the perfect chance for the Ravens to turn things around. Plus Marty will have a bit more time to fine tune the offense, since you can't expect a new OC to do that within a week during the season.