Past Predictions we've all made!

[Jacquouille]

I think S are quite tricky to judge too. 

Just look at Keanu Neal, I thought his tape was horrible, he was decent in coverage but couldn't make one tackle. He was the stereotype of the guy who tries to lay the wood and always misses, and now he doesn't miss one and is stellar in coverage. Scheme definitely has to do with it but still...

 

 

 

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Bosa was easily my no. 1 player last year. Had Gurley and Marcus Peters top 5. If you knew what Manziel was like off the field at A&M you knew he'd never be able to lead an NFL team. I didn't like him on the field either. 

Had Gabe Jackson as a top 32 player. Also liked Trufant and Tuitt more than most. I know it's very early and everyone knew he was going to need development, but I thought Correa was more of a 4th rounder.

I missed pretty bad on Jarvis Jones, Cordarrelle Patterson, Marqise Lee, Arthur Brown and Elam (maybe).

I think I struggle most with scouting WR's, just so hit or miss. I thought Kevin White and Devante Parker would be immediate playmakers, though we'll see how they develop. Didn't think Mike Evans would be that good, but he did have a ton of drops last season. Not sure if he's cleaned that up this year. My biggest strength is easily DL, then CB.

I think its important to look at the percentage of drops to targets.  Evans had 11 drops on 147 targets. 

[hn68wb4]

6 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

I think S are quite tricky to judge too. 

Just look at Keanu Neal, I thought his tape was horrible, he was decent in coverage but couldn't make one tackle. He was the stereotype of the guy who tries to lay the wood and always misses, and now he doesn't miss one and is stellar in coverage. Scheme definitely has to do with it but still...

I actually really liked Neal, didn't think he'd go as high as he did, but I did like him. He always had the athleticism to be good in coverage and hits hard. He still doesn't wrap up though, even with Atlanta - which is why I thought he was a 2nd rounder rather than 1st.

Edited November 5, 2016 by hn68wb4

[52520Andrew]

I have had good moments and I have had bad moments. I was higher on Ha Ha than most around here and Aaron Donald is my guy obviously as well. Did like Wentz a lot as well. Also really liked Cooks and was a big Landry fan coming out.

Then there have been some dumb moments like Manziel in the forum mock. Also Eli Harold has kinda not been good and Marqise Lee was another big miss on my part. Also Ty Montgomery is a guy who has been doing better than I thought he would, I didn't like him at all.

[hn68wb4]

Another guy that I could really claim either way is Chris Borland, loved him and wanted us to take him in the second. After his rookie year I was so ready to take a victory lap and then he retired...glad we passed on him.

[ravefan52]

4 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

Another guy that I could really claim either way is Chris Borland, loved him and wanted us to take him in the second. After his rookie year I was so ready to take a victory lap and then he retired...glad we passed on him.

So many people on here hated him coming out and refused to accept that he was playing well

[hn68wb4]

4 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

So many people on here hated him coming out and refused to accept that he was playing well

His tape from the Ohio St. game sealed it for me, he brick walled Carlos Hyde twice that game at the LOS, once at the goalline and once on I think 4th down. Then add in that regardless of his height he showed coverage ability and I was sold.

Edited November 8, 2016 by hn68wb4

[Wildabeast88]

On October 21, 2016 at 8:20 AM, Jacquouille said:

I mocked Zeke to us once and got like 10 negs. But I still think Stanley would have been the pick, 1) because elite OTs are extremely rare, 2) because we badly needed it even though we (the fans) didn't realize it at the time, 3) because worst case the 2017 RB class is coming.

I was all over Zeke as better than Gurley and everyone was killing me over that one. SEC bias ll over the boards. I hope I am wrong next week. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I was all over Zeke as better than Gurley and everyone was killing me over that one. SEC bias ll over the boards. I hope I am wrong next week. 

I think most of what held Gurley back was the ACL tear.

[Wildabeast88]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

 

 

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think most of what held Gurley back was the ACL tear.

Gurley has been awful this year T. West has better numbers and he split time with Forsett the first few games 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Wildabeast88 said:

Gurley has been awful this year T. West has better numbers and he split time with Forsett the first few games 

Gurley is also behind a much worse offensive line and facing nine man boxes due to the total lack of a passing game.

The Rams are also inexplicably running mostly inside runs when Gurley has shown to be vastly better on outside runs that hit the perimeter.

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Gurley is also behind a much worse offensive line and facing nine man boxes due to the total lack of a passing game.

The Rams are also inexplicably running mostly inside runs when Gurley has shown to be vastly better on outside runs that hit the perimeter.

I get Zeke has more to work with but what about West and our line. West was a guy who was thought to not even make the roster and is outperforming Gurley the play calling part is on the Rams Fisher has been a terrible coach for the last 12-14 years so I think that part is moot. 

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I get Zeke has more to work with but what about West and our line. West was a guy who was thought to not even make the roster and is outperforming Gurley the play calling part is on the Rams Fisher has been a terrible coach for the last 12-14 years so I think that part is moot. 

West isn't really performing that well and isn't actually the focal point of the offense nor the main focus of the defense. The only time I actually saw Terrance West actually draw total focus from a defense was the Pitt game and we all know how well... err poorly.... he did there. Now take that game and make it every single game for Gurley.

And again, he's just not being used well on offense. 

Not really sure how else to explain it if you're not watching the Rams play, which I'm guessing you aren't.

[Wildabeast88]

16 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

West isn't really performing that well and isn't actually the focal point of the offense nor the main focus of the defense. The only time I actually saw Terrance West actually draw total focus from a defense was the Pitt game and we all know how well... err poorly.... he did there. Now take that game and make it every single game for Gurley.

And again, he's just not being used well on offense. 

Not really sure how else to explain it if you're not watching the Rams play, which I'm guessing you aren't.

I get what you are saying and agree to a point. Not watching them super close, I have Gurley on 2 fantasy teams, but I do know since McNair and Eddie George left Tennessee Fisher has been awful as a coach and I get that Gurley is not being used properly but that is on the coaching staff. I do know that Gurley has regressed this year versus last year. My main point is that Gurley is 19th in the league in rushing and was top 3-4 last year after having missed 3 games. Gurley doesn't compare to Zeke and is actually has worse numbers than guys who are splitting carries. 

[hn68wb4]

2 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I get what you are saying and agree to a point. Not watching them super close, I have Gurley on 2 fantasy teams, but I do know since McNair and Eddie George left Tennessee Fisher has been awful as a coach and I get that Gurley is not being used properly but that is on the coaching staff. I do know that Gurley has regressed this year versus last year. My main point is that Gurley is 19th in the league in rushing and was top 3-4 last year after having missed 3 games. Gurley doesn't compare to Zeke and is actually has worse numbers than guys who are splitting carries. 

This is exactly why looking at stats is a terrible way of evaluating players - and fantasy points are far, far worse of a metric. Gurley hasn't magically become a below average RB and Zeke would do about the same if he were dealing with what Gurley is currently dealing with. If you put Gurley behind Dallas' oline, with an actual QB with threats at WR, he'd be at least as effective as Zeke has been. On the Rams, he's dealing with no oline to speak of, no QB, and probably the worst receiving corps in football, all opposing defenses do is load the box and key on Gurley because he's literally all they have.

Edited November 13, 2016 by hn68wb4

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, hn68wb4 said:

This is exactly why looking at stats is a terrible way of evaluating players - and fantasy points are far, far worse of a metric. Gurley hasn't magically become a below average RB and Zeke would do about the same if he were dealing with what Gurley is currently dealing with. If you put Gurley behind Dallas' oline, with an actual QB with threats at WR, he'd be at least as effective as Zeke has been. On the Rams, he's dealing with no oline to speak of, no QB, and probably the worst receiving corps in football, all opposing defenses do is load the box and key on Gurley because he's literally all they have.

personally when it comes to being a pure runner, i dont think theres any comparison between gurley and zeke. gurley behind the cowboys OL would have the rest of the league sweating, he would probably break 2k multiple times. i think zeke is better in other aspects, hes a more natural 3rd down back, he has that knack for making the right choices on 3rd down, whether he should stay in pass protect or break off for a dump, finding the soft spot on screens like a real wr, things like that. personally id take zeke over gurley because i think the overall skillset is more useful in todays NFL, but if the ravens had a great line and we ran a legit 50/50 run to pass ratio then gurley would probably be more impactful because hes just a monster with the ball in his hands, its just incredibly rare to have an OL of the cowboys caliber. 

if zeke and gurley were swapped, i think each of them would be more valuable to their teams than they currently are, zeke is more suited to a team like the rams who struggle to produce anything on offense because of a bad OL and wr corps, he would bring that little extra in so many areas rather than just handing it off until the back is beaten and battered, and gurley with the cowboys would result in the most lopsided pass to run ratio weve ever seen lol. the man would break 20 yard runs 5+ times a game.

[BmoreBird22]

With regards to Gurley, he's probably been hit at or behind the LoS on like 80% of his runs. He's actually gotten the majority of his runs after contact and has a pretty high yards after contact average, which just speaks volumes to how poor that offensive line is.

Personally, I thought Gurley would be much better as a pass catcher. I thought he had some of the most natural and fluid routes in a while for a running back. The fact that St. Louis isn't using him more there, to me, just says more about St. Louis being a sorry organization. However, I will say Zeke, while not nearly as refined as a route runner, was still extremely good as a swing pass option or someone you could run the check down to. Natural hands and a good feel for getting open. 

The one area where I'd give Zeke a clear advantage over anyone is just being a beastly pass protector. The level of pass protection he exhibits is even rare in the NFL from a seasoned vet. His ability to just identify the rusher and stonewall them is remarkable.

Overall, I'd say in the NFL, give me Gurley for rushing, wash on pass catching because I think Gurley would benefit with Goff needing a check down option, and give me Zeke as a pass protector.

[outkast1]

I had to go to my draft notes to find guys the Ravens picked on my board.

No player from my 2016 draft board was picked.Victor Ochci was a favorite and was cut.Dak Prescott was my QB pick as back up.

2014-Terrence Brooks and Micheal Campanaro both were bad picks. Jimmy Garoppolo  was my QB pick as back up.Terrence west went to the browns.

2015 No players from my board

2013 John Simon was cut in his rookie year before the season.

2012 no player on my board was picked

2011 Torrey Smith and Jimmy Smith was on my board,both good,but not great !

2017 I have Luke Falk as my back up QB if he comes out !

My track record is poor when it comes to picking players the RAVENS would pick.

 

Edited November 13, 2016 by outkast1
wrong year

[Wildabeast88]

14 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

This is exactly why looking at stats is a terrible way of evaluating players - and fantasy points are far, far worse of a metric. Gurley hasn't magically become a below average RB and Zeke would do about the same if he were dealing with what Gurley is currently dealing with. If you put Gurley behind Dallas' oline, with an actual QB with threats at WR, he'd be at least as effective as Zeke has been. On the Rams, he's dealing with no oline to speak of, no QB, and probably the worst receiving corps in football, all opposing defenses do is load the box and key on Gurley because he's literally all they have.

I get that part he is not used well by an organization that rivals the Browns and is a raging dumpster fire but I still think Zeke is the better back regardless I mean he didn't have Dez for half the year and Dak as a QB not like he had the full arsenal of the Cowoys weapons. Yes that line is awesome but Cole Beasley doesn't strike fear not opponents. I get your point but I think Zeke is better in every way

[hn68wb4]

4 hours ago, outkast1 said:

2013 John Simon was cut in his rookie year before the season.

John Simon wasn't cut prior to his rookie year, he was cut prior to his sophmore season, we kept him through the 2013 season.

[JoeyFlex5]

Lol he said Michael campanaro was a bad pick... 

He was a freaking SEVENTH ROUNDER and is the 2ndmost talented young wr on the team. A 7th round pick who gets cut the first day of camp isn't even a bad pick, because it's a 7th rounder.

What a ridiculous post.

[Cville-Raven]

One that I take pride in was KO. I actually predicted us taking Osemele years ago in mock I made for the 2012 draft. I predicted he would be a good guard but not that good. Although to be fair he didn't really become a guard until the Super Bowl run.

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I get that part he is not used well by an organization that rivals the Browns and is a raging dumpster fire but I still think Zeke is the better back regardless I mean he didn't have Dez for half the year and Dak as a QB not like he had the full arsenal of the Cowoys weapons. Yes that line is awesome but Cole Beasley doesn't strike fear not opponents. I get your point but I think Zeke is better in every way

Gurley is a more talented runner, but you cannot even come close to comparing the offensive lines between the Rams and the Cowboys. That alone is a massive mismatch.

But it's kinda funny that you say that they didn't have Dez Bryant because the Rams have arguably the worst group of receivers and tight ends in the entire NFL. Seriously, this might be the worst stable of pass catchers in the entire NFL. 

Then add in the fact that they're working with Case Keenum (who I might add is only playing because the Rams are scared Goff's confidence would be shot behind that OL) and you've just got a non comparable situation in every single facet.

A bottom three OL vs the best OL in the NFL, one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL vs one of the best rookie starters in recent memory, and arguably the worst group of pass catchers vs an average group without Bryant. 

Your OSU bias is showing.

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Gurley is a more talented runner, but you cannot even come close to comparing the offensive lines between the Rams and the Cowboys. That alone is a massive mismatch.

But it's kinda funny that you say that they didn't have Dez Bryant because the Rams have arguably the worst group of receivers and tight ends in the entire NFL. Seriously, this might be the worst stable of pass catchers in the entire NFL. 

Then add in the fact that they're working with Case Keenum (who I might add is only playing because the Rams are scared Goff's confidence would be shot behind that OL) and you've just got a non comparable situation in every single facet.

A bottom three OL vs the best OL in the NFL, one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL vs one of the best rookie starters in recent memory, and arguably the worst group of pass catchers vs an average group without Bryant. 

Your OSU bias is showing.

Probably true but even his college numbers were better. But Zeke ate them Steelers up!!!!

[BmoreBird22]

9 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Probably true but even his college numbers were better. But Zeke ate them Steelers up!!!!

There's the difference of SEC vs BIG10 and the fact that Gurley split a workload with Nick Chubb.