RSR Article on Ravens

[FlocksGottaFeed]

15 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

You are wrong!  

An African friend of mine that served with me in the military nearly 30 years ago shared this proverb from his country with me and a few colleagues of ours.  I just never forgot it over the years and quote it often.  He said that it basically states "Be who you is cause you can't be who you ain't".  It speaks to being true to who you are and not trying to imitate someone else.  It's simple actually and very appropriate in the context that I used it...for the Ravens offense.

Oh, I'm sorry that's why that exact quote can't be found anywhere in a search. My bad, but I did find these African quotes: "To thine own self be true..." Shakespeare (inspired by a century old Sindabele African proberb) - "Know thyself".

That said, if your African friend rephrased it at the time with such an use of broken English it is within reason (maybe he's just learning the language or has added his own spin to it), but that doesn't make it an African Proverb it makes it your friend's homage to a proverb.

As far as the Ravens 'identity' aspect of your comment goes...I completely agreed with most of what you said so where am I wrong, again? The Ravens can't jump back in time to become what previous teams were. They must and will form a NEW identity based on who they are here and now and putting an empathize on what they do best . Before you answer remember - To thine own self be true and know thyself.

Edited October 14, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
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[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

48 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah but you're mock drafts are consistently changing. If I just do like 50 mock drafts each year, all I have to do is pick out the one that actually hit, and say "hey look guys I predicted the player we pick".

Its like throwing darts at a dartboard. You'll eventually hit the bullseye if you throw enough darts at the board. You don't even need to be good at it. 

But I can predict top talent directly and tell you which one will bust! I should be an NFL gm.

 

/sarcasm

[K-Dog]

The "Hide" button is WONDERFUL!!!

[OUravensfan]

Keeping with the political debate season theme we are now using our historic posts against each other to call out lies and hyprocisy lol

[flynismo]

6 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The awkward thing here is twofold. 1. Kindle was off the roster before Sami joined this site, meaning he can say what ever.

2. Mercilus played two years at the same time as Kindle, but played sparingly for those two years, meaning Kindle wouldn't draw a comparison to Kindle. It'd be the other way around.

Sami should run for president, he has all the traits of a politician.

[flynismo]

4 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Decided to vet this a little bit based on what Sami has actually SAID on these boards. Here are some notables (and I stopped reading after awhile)...

2014:

Highly advocated using a 3rd round pick on CJ Fiedorowicz

Later advocated that we draft Jace Amaro or Eric Ebron, as well as having a high desire to resign both Daryl Smith and Eugene Monroe. Went as far as to guarantee that Ebron would be available for us to pick at #14 (was drafted #10). Was also very high on Arthur Brown.

Then flipped again and guaranteed that Ha Ha Clinton Dix would be our 1st round pick. 

Consistently referenced Monroe as an elite LT in 2014 and said he was "only just entering his prime". Also thought Brandon Williams was a bad pick (said this multiple times). Said he expected Kapron Lewis Moore to be significantly better than Williams.

I stopped after just that year, but I'm sure there's still plenty more bulletin board material to be had in future years.

haha, yeah, I remember his man crush on Ha Ha. Strange that he never mentioned that

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Keeping with the political debate season theme we are now using our historic posts against each other to call out lies and hyprocisy lol

Haha "I did NOT have man crush relations with that prospect."

Sami for Prez

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Haha "I did NOT have man crush relations with that prospect."

Sami for Prez

What makes that even funnier is that Haha's last name is Clinton-Dix(named after the Monica Lewinsky scandal).

 

Oh the amount of puns

[-Truth-]

22 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

@Filmstudy for breakdowns 

@-Truth- for scouting. He's the one who's usually right (btw. He hated Elam as well so whoop de do Sami. Way to get something balatantly obvious. I liked the picked upon first inspection but if you looked at his tape he had problems(back when I only could look up highlight reels, now I know to look more at the tape). But the thing is.. That draft pool was horrid and we ended up getting Brandon Williams, Juice, and Wagner, whom all start. Not as bad as some give Ozzie credit for) and I've seldom seen him get it wrong. He's the one who's right 80% of the time. 

@The Raven for offensive line stuff, because hes educated me more about blocking schemes and when to impliment them. 

That's pretty much it. No offense to the other guys, their analysis is good, but those guys are honestly my go-toos. There are very intelligent posters and knowledgeable posters on this forum, a good deal of them. All the ones mentioned above in OUravensfans post are good analysts... I for the most part agree with most of them. But we're not good enough to get hired by nfl teams.

 

I'm a semi-decent scout. I have my misses, but I'm willing to admit that the professionals are a hell of a lot better. 

Definitely appreciate the shout. I think this forum has a number underrated scouters, or at least an eye for talent. @Ed_Reed20 was rock solid back in his active days. @gabefergy's been on the ball more times than not. I could name several more from our yearly proceedings. True that. I admittedly was critical of Elam as a prospect at the time. I was high on Kyle Juszczyk and I liked Ricky Wagner. Didn't see any tape at all on Brandon Williams. I don't typically broadcast these individual occurrences because I've had my share of misses as I'm sure everyone does. Certainly had quite a few when I took it up as as hobby. I'd rather be driven by the ones I failed to make than become complacent by attempting to forge a reputation off of the ones I didn't.

[flynismo]

14 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

What makes that even funnier is that Haha's last name is Clinton-Dix(named after the Monica Lewinsky scandal).

bhahahaha, outstanding!

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

Definitely appreciate the shout. I think this forum has a number underrated scouters, or at least an eye for talent. @Ed_Reed20 was rock solid back in his active days. @gabefergy's been on the ball more times than not. I could name several more from our yearly proceedings. True that. I admittedly was critical of Elam as a prospect at the time. I was high on Kyle Juszczyk and I liked Ricky Wagner. Didn't see any tape at all on Brandon Williams. I don't typically broadcast these individual occurrences because I've had my share of misses as I'm sure everyone does. Certainly had quite a few when I took it up as as hobby. I'd rather be driven by the ones I failed to make than become complacent by attempting to forge a reputation off of the ones I didn't.

What the heck ever happened to those two guys, they both stop posting?

[-Truth-]

24 minutes ago, flynismo said:

What the heck ever happened to those two guys, they both stop posting?

Great question. I'm not sure what happened to the latter. The former hasn't posted in ages but we still keep in touch. He's across the pond now and has a fairly busy lifestyle.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

Great question. I'm not sure what happened to the latter. The former hasn't posted in ages but we still keep in touch. He's across the pond now and has a fairly busy lifestyle.

I think I remember seeing gabefergy post as recently as this offseason. But both were solid regulars... shame they aren't around. 

[gtalk12]

im the regular now lol

[RavensFanMania]

I've only been on the forum for a couple of years (Dec 2014) and have enjoyed the forum, especially the forum draft and draft a franchise games.  There is a lot of intelligent posters all over the forum.  most of them have very different viewpoints. 

Edited October 14, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[Militant X 1]

5 hours ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Oh, I'm sorry that's why that exact quote can't be found anywhere in a search. My bad, but I did find these African quotes: "To thine own self be true..." Shakespeare (inspired by a century old Sindabele African proberb) - "Know thyself".

That said, if your African friend rephrased it at the time with such an use of broken English it is within reason (maybe he's just learning the language or has added his own spin to it), but that doesn't make it an African Proverb it makes it your friend's homage to a proverb.

As far as the Ravens 'identity' aspect of your comment goes...I completely agreed with most of what you said so where am I wrong, again? The Ravens can't jump back in time to become what previous teams were. They must and will form a NEW identity based on who they are here and now and putting an empathize on what they do best . Before you answer remember - To thine own self be true and know thyself.

I responded that you were wrong about that not being an African proverb.   I'm not from Africa!  I'm an American who served in the military nearly 30 years ago with a fellow soldier who was from Africa.  In casual conversation he stated to our group that there was an old African proverb from his country that states; "Be who you is cause you can't be who you ain't".  Broken english or not...we all understood what he meant by the statement!  Be yourself!  I used that phrase in context for the Ravens offense trying to find an identity.   

 

Edited October 15, 2016 by Militant X 1

[OUravensfan]

I read the forums 2-3 years before I joined , someone always voiced my opinion or argument it seemed, finally joined and got hooked 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

I responded that you were wrong about that not being an African proverb.   I'm not from Africa!  I'm an American who served in the military nearly 30 years ago with a fellow soldier who was from Africa.  In casual conversation he stated to our group that there was an old African proverb from his country that states; "Be who you is cause you can't be who you ain't".  Broken english or not...we all understood what he meant by the statement!  Be yourself!  I used that phrase in context for the Ravens offense trying to find an identity.

Okay cool Mili. That was too much explanation, but I appreciate the effort. I don't presume anyone's nationality in a forum or care for that matter. We're all just avatars. As I've said before - we're both saying that the Ravens 'identity' thing hasn't been established. Agreed. The only difference I have with you is I think it will be a totally 'new' identity that we haven't seen before and the players will play more of a role in what that identity will be.

Now, the proverb you gave does support that concept. It's a 'new' translation of an old African proverb that inspired Shakespeare's later version and later your friend's version. The only thing that was out of context is when you added - There's an old African proverb that states; "Be who you is cause you can't be who you ain't!". The 'old' African proverb simply was 'Know thy self.' Why not give it the credit that it deserves? It's inspired 1000's of years of self reflection including Shakespeare's translation of it. It really doesn't matter what nationality you are. Maybe it will inspire our Ravens toward a 'new' identity, as well.

[Militant X 1]

1 hour ago, FlocksGottaFeed said:

Okay cool Mili. That was too much explanation, but I appreciate the effort. I don't presume anyone's nationality in a forum or care for that matter. We're all just avatars. As I've said before - we're both saying that the Ravens 'identity' thing hasn't been established. Agreed. The only difference I have with you is I think it will be a totally 'new' identity that we haven't seen before and the players will play more of a role in what that identity will be.

Now, the proverb you gave does support that concept. It's a 'new' translation of an old African proverb that inspired Shakespeare's later version and later your friend's version. The only thing that was out of context is when you added - There's an old African proverb that states; "Be who you is cause you can't be who you ain't!". The 'old' African proverb simply was 'Know thy self.' Why not give it the credit that it deserves? It's inspired 1000's of years of self reflection including Shakespeare's translation of it. It really doesn't matter what nationality you are. Maybe it will inspire our Ravens toward a 'new' identity, as well.

See Flock, this is what I'm saying.  Perhaps, it was my African colleagues' families "interpretation" and "translation" of that 'old' African proverb "Know thy self" that was passed down to his family over the years?  Besides, there are also different tribes and languages spoken in the countries that make up the continent of Africa.  Therefore, phrases, quotes, quips and proverbs may get altered from tribe to tribe and language to language and evolve into something else.  Kind of like whispering a phrase in someone's ear and letting them do the same down the line. By the time it gets to the end, it sounds nothing like the original.  It becomes everyone's own interpretation of what was said.  It's all good though bro no need to go back and forth over something as trivial as this.

Get back and stay on topic!  You derailed the thread man! 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Here's the thing: 

Many, if not all, of us know that guys like Mack, Donald, OBJ, etc would be excellent players and would be amazing pros. That's not impressive.

It's impressive when you can say that AB will be the best receiver in the league, Tom Brady will set records and win four Super Bowls, Donald Driver will be a GB legend, etc.  

When you can do that consistently, you can brag.

 

He'll probably claim that he did know these things.

 

If you watched tape of Mack, Donald, OBJ, hell CJ, you could see that these guys would be playmakers. In the early rounds it's easy to determine the safe players. What's hard is say Anthony Barr whom many were against because he wasn't a safe pick.  I loved him but thought he had the potential to bust. Turned into a damn good all around player. 

 

Easy to tell who'd be a bust in the first.  I could tell you Manziel was going to be one from a mile away(I'm pretty sure someone sent me a post where Sami was praising Johnny. I'll have to look for it later in the 2013 threads). I got scrutinized but said that he'd be horrid. 

 

And btw Sami. Most of us loved Bosa. @Inqui and I had a song about him. Saying that "he'd be a beast" was blatantly obvious his athletic ability and hand work prove it3. GMs make their money in the mid to later rounds where Ozzie even as of recent has gotten Wagner, McPhee, Juice(but he's a full back you say. He's a damn good one). 

[Mad Puppy]

On 10/13/2016 at 9:16 AM, Sami84 said:

Basically,

look guys..eventually people are going to realize that even the homers ( such as rmcjacket23) are just kidding themselves. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. taking out the kool aid juice which all homers live on its clear that the ravens situation is approaching that of the bears and cutler. It hasn't reached that level yet BUT that's the trajectory of this franchise. Joe flacco is not a good quarterback. He's an average QB whos capable of a few big moments and if you are lucky, like we were in post season 2012, he can have a streak. overall, if he were playing for the browns they still wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. He isnt worth our long term investment. His QBR or whatever ratings you wish to bestow upon him are middle of the pack or lower. However, while i dont see us making the post season for a long long time, flacco isnt the MAIN issue..he is a big one. He's vastly overrated by the FO and homer fans who use Kyle Boller as a benchmark..but the biggest issue is John Harbaugh and the FO. They have little to 0 eye for talent and their player development is pretty awful. We have mismanaged the cap and have also placed too much emphasis on special teams, to the point where it could be backfiring on the players by putting so much pressure on simple tasks. We also have a coach who knows that our team cannot beat down the opponent and needs to scrape by and yet refuses to take points KNOWING that every game we play goes down to the last possesion.

 

John Harbaugh has been a losing coach since the SB season along with Joe Fluko. He's also a bit of an emotional wreck on the sideline. Whenever someone states a pretty damning but truthful question or fact he gets so passive aggressive or defensive rather than admit the cold hard truth. My question to the homers on this forum, unlike the RSF forum which doesn't sugar coat things, why does everyone here seems to think the John Harbs- Joe Flacco combination is the only hope we have?..I also think Ozzie/ Eric De costa are washed up in their abilities. Our draft picks since 2009 have been forgettable and our team isnt even talked about. We're irrelevant. You can talk about the market etc but the truth is, we are irrelevant because we don't have personalities and superstar ability to go with it.

 

 

 

Amen

[flynismo]

10 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He'll probably claim that he did know these things.

 

If you watched tape of Mack, Donald, OBJ, hell CJ, you could see that these guys would be playmakers. In the early rounds it's easy to determine the safe players. What's hard is say Anthony Barr whom many were against because he wasn't a safe pick.  I loved him but thought he had the potential to bust. Turned into a damn good all around player. 

 

Easy to tell who'd be a bust in the first.  I could tell you Manziel was going to be one from a mile away(I'm pretty sure someone sent me a post where Sami was praising Johnny. I'll have to look for it later in the 2013 threads). I got scrutinized but said that he'd be horrid. 

 

And btw Sami. Most of us loved Bosa. @Inqui and I had a song about him. Saying that "he'd be a beast" was blatantly obvious his athletic ability and hand work prove it3. GMs make their money in the mid to later rounds where Ozzie even as of recent has gotten Wagner, McPhee, Juice(but he's a full back you say. He's a damn good one). 

Well, the thing is...it isn't that easy to tell who's going to be a first round bust...Manziel I thought was a clear bust, but I distinctly remember arguing profusely with gabefergy how Mike Evans made Manziel look good, he claimed it was the other way around. Obviously he ended up getting drafted in the 1st, so at least one NFL team out the agreed with gabefergy.

Aaron Curry a few years ago was supposedly the safest player in his class, and he even ended up going to a great defensive system. Raise your hand if you even remember who Curry was.

Reggie Bush, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Jason Smith, all top ten picks over the past decade who were also considered among the safest 1st rounders available...that isn't even an inclusive list, just off the top of my head without even putting much thought into it.

I think Bosa will prove to be next on that list; although more along the lines of Bush (had a solid career, just didn't live up to the surefire stud label).

[RavensFanMania]

10 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He'll probably claim that he did know these things.

 

If you watched tape of Mack, Donald, OBJ, hell CJ, you could see that these guys would be playmakers. In the early rounds it's easy to determine the safe players. What's hard is say Anthony Barr whom many were against because he wasn't a safe pick.  I loved him but thought he had the potential to bust. Turned into a damn good all around player. 

 

Easy to tell who'd be a bust in the first.  I could tell you Manziel was going to be one from a mile away(I'm pretty sure someone sent me a post where Sami was praising Johnny. I'll have to look for it later in the 2013 threads). I got scrutinized but said that he'd be horrid. 

 

And btw Sami. Most of us loved Bosa. @Inqui and I had a song about him. Saying that "he'd be a beast" was blatantly obvious his athletic ability and hand work prove it3. GMs make their money in the mid to later rounds where Ozzie even as of recent has gotten Wagner, McPhee, Juice(but he's a full back you say. He's a damn good one). 

Let's not even bringing into account this years 4th and 5th round picks.  These two rounds along with the last couple of drafts will play a huge part in returning us to the glory years. Not many GMs nail the middle rounds as often as Ozzie and DeCosts do

Edited October 15, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[kpfeiffe]

On 10/14/2016 at 2:48 AM, ravefan52 said:

This is a very flawed article.

But I'll say I think the biggest reasons for the teams struggles has been mediocre drafting and it's tendancy to rely too much on old players. Almost all the best players the last few years have been at least 30+. These players are much more likely to get injured or have their physical skills diminish quickly and we've seen the results of it. You can't complain or act surprised when your 32 and 34 year old pass rushing duo (Who you pay a ton of money) suffer serious injuries and can't get pressure anymore. Or when a 35 year old tight end or 36 year old receiver, who you rely on to be your top two targets, tear their Achilles. Side note, but the Watson signing is probably my least favorite Ozzie move ever.

Part of the reason they've had to rely on them is because the influx of young talent through the draft has been underwhelming as a whole lately. Probably an average amount of busts, but even the good ones have just taken awhile to develop. Ignoring CB and WR has been a huge mistake. And losing guys like McPhee and KO while you have a lot of money tied up to players not contributing makes it harder. Last draft was a good start (Correa was the only player I didn't like) but some great young players is definitely still needed to turn the Ravens around.

Totally agree. OZ was great in the day - it pains me to say it, but he just isn't getting the job done any more. Look at the players teams like Pittsburgh are drafting. They pick late in the draft too. We draft guys like Perriman, Campanaro, Sergio Kindle, Matt Elam and then give big contracts to guys like Lardarius Webb and Dominique Foxworth. Our talent is so thin - there is really nothing on this team - no player you can look to as a difference maker any more. Just a bunch of guys.

Edited October 15, 2016 by kpfeiffe
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[FlocksGottaFeed]

There's some glaring contradictions, irrational processing and over-reach in Lombardi's scribe, but these really bothered me.

• Drafting and Scouting = Glaring Contradictions: Lombardi's 2016 Mock Draft for 1st round (Ravens picking 4th) take's Vernon Hargreaves III (went Tampa Bay to picking 15th) So far in 5 games this guy has only (done nothing) recorded 2 pass defenses and nothing else. If my mock was that bad - how can I criticize the Ravens?

• Home Fan Base Support = Irrational Processing: Using the fan attendance as a singular measuring stick as an argument lead-in "Just look around M&T Bank Stadium during home games. Thousands of upper deck seats are empty and more visiting fans invade..."  Really?

Could the fan support have more to do with current economic challenges, the progressively growing move to just watch at a sports bar or home for a better viewing experience (and follow the entire league play for fantasy, etc.) or maybe because the entire league is experiencing similar fan participation issues without mentioning "Identity" once? He would have been better served just writing a piece examining the new 'identity' of a NFL fan in this case. There are plenty of facts out there.

• Organizational Conflict - Over-reach: The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!! Where?

Lombardi said "Harbaugh’s staff has regularly consisted of older coordinators who don’t present a threat to his throne should things go awry..." How many head coaches have come directly out of the Ravens Organization in the Harbaugh Era? At least one won the last Super Bowl. Leslie Frazier is only 3 years older than, Bobby Engram is just 43, Richard Angulo just 36, etc. The majority of the coaching staff are younger and his Special Teams Coach is just 5 years older. Didn't Harb also start-out as a ST Coach? Game of Thrones - He should summons a dragon and take-out everyone mentioned. Further, when you're 'game-of-thronin' who needs a coaching staff, scouting team, GM or a freaking Owner? That would over-reach.

There will be a new identity formed, but what that identity 'at the end of the day' will be more based on the players, not the organization. The league rules, FA contracting, personnel scheming, etc. changes before they hit training camp.

Fortunately, we have been one of the finest FO (GM, Scouts, Coaches) in the league to stay competitive in spite of all that.

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Edited October 15, 2016 by FlocksGottaFeed
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[-Truth-]

22 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think I remember seeing gabefergy post as recently as this offseason. But both were solid regulars... shame they aren't around. 

Agreed there. I'll hit you up later today, by the way.

[-Truth-]

5 hours ago, flynismo said:

Well, the thing is...it isn't that easy to tell who's going to be a first round bust...Manziel I thought was a clear bust, but I distinctly remember arguing profusely with gabefergy how Mike Evans made Manziel look good, he claimed it was the other way around. Obviously he ended up getting drafted in the 1st, so at least one NFL team out the agreed with gabefergy.

Aaron Curry a few years ago was supposedly the safest player in his class, and he even ended up going to a great defensive system. Raise your hand if you even remember who Curry was.

Reggie Bush, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Jason Smith, all top ten picks over the past decade who were also considered among the safest 1st rounders available...that isn't even an inclusive list, just off the top of my head without even putting much thought into it.

I think Bosa will prove to be next on that list; although more along the lines of Bush (had a solid career, just didn't live up to the surefire stud label).

I agree with the general sentiment in that it's not always clear. There are players in most classes whose tapes ooze immediate upside and potential of production and they make due on that promise, sure. But you've brought up solid counterexamples a la Curry, who was proclaimed by most major sources as the safest bet. That being said, and I don't want to derail the conversation, but I disagree on the assessment of Bosa. He's looked like a difference maker over the last two games despite an absence of an offseason and no practice whatsoever. He reminded me a bit of Michael Bennett during his Seattle days, albeit lighter and more finesse. If he remains on his current pace, he'll likely come away with Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he'll have to take a significant step back to fall into the category of players like Jason Smith.

Edited October 15, 2016 by -Truth-

[RavensFanMania]

5 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

I agree with the general sentiment in that it's not always clear. There are players in most classes whose tapes ooze immediate upside and potential of production and they make due on that promise, sure. But you've brought up solid counterexamples a la Curry, who was proclaimed by most major sources as the safest bet. That being said, and I don't want to derail the conversation, but I disagree on the assessment of Bosa. He's looked like a difference maker over the last two games despite an absence of an offseason and no practice whatsoever. He reminded me a bit of Michael Bennett during his Seattle days. If he remains on his current pace, he'll likely come away with Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he'll have to take a significant step back to fall into the category of players like Jason Smith.

And then there are the players who don't get hyped up in the draft process, because they come from smaller schools, or have an agent that isn't promoting him well, that are just oozing with talent.

[mmcclend]

59 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

I agree with the general sentiment in that it's not always clear. There are players in most classes whose tapes ooze immediate upside and potential of production and they make due on that promise, sure. But you've brought up solid counterexamples a la Curry, who was proclaimed by most major sources as the safest bet. That being said, and I don't want to derail the conversation, but I disagree on the assessment of Bosa. He's looked like a difference maker over the last two games despite an absence of an offseason and no practice whatsoever. He reminded me a bit of Michael Bennett during his Seattle days, albeit lighter and more finesse. If he remains on his current pace, he'll likely come away with Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think he'll have to take a significant step back to fall into the category of players like Jason Smith.

Yeah, not sure where the bosa assessment came from. He looked like a grown man on Thursday night. 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, mmcclend said:

Yeah, not sure where the bosa assessment came from. He looked like a grown man on Thursday night. 

One tackle and nothing else doesn't exactly sound like a grown man. Maybe you meant last weekend when he had two sacks. Not really a big deal. My assessment of him comes from his college days. Maybe he'll prove me wrong one day; maybe he'll become more than a solid starter, who knows