RSR Article on Ravens

[Sami84]

we let ziggy hood get into the backfield in the last game

 

ziggy hood

 

thats embarrassing

[PurpleCity5]

3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

when its 5-2 let me know..

5-2 was the minimum required taking into account the next half of the schedule.

We probably aint beating the giants..esp with a patched up offensive line.

Who says we will lose all of those games? You don't think we'll get one win from Bengals, Patriots, Steelers, Eagles, Cowboys? We're just going to drop dead on all games?

[PurpleCity5]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No such thing as a minimum requirement. Inferior teams beat better teams on a weekly basis in this league, so all of the "guaranteed losses" some of these clowns think they see on the back end of our schedule are far from it.

We beat a really good Pittsburgh team last season with guys from the movie The Replacements, but all of the sudden its a guaranteed loss this year.

As usual, the real world deviates substantially from the world some of you are living in. 

Yeah to just shut the door on us winning any of those games is ridiculous. Bengals don't even look good this year and we can certainly beat Pittsburgh.

[Sami84]

the good news is kendrick lewis is out.

[VermontRaven]

5 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

the good news is kendrick lewis is out.

Source?  I haven't seen this anywhere.

[jboy19]

5 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Source?  I haven't seen this anywhere.

Left Practice with an injury. As far as actual good news, Stanley is practicing today. 

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Source?  I haven't seen this anywhere.

Out of practice, nothing on whether he would miss Sunday or not.

[VermontRaven]

3 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Left Practice with an injury. As far as actual good news, Stanley is practicing today. 

Stanley practicing is definitely very good news.  I think our OL can make due if we have him starting at LT!

[Rav'n Maniac]

3 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Basically,

look guys..eventually people are going to realize that even the homers ( such as rmcjacket23) are just kidding themselves. The writing has been on the wall for a while now. taking out the kool aid juice which all homers live on its clear that the ravens situation is approaching that of the bears and cutler. It hasn't reached that level yet BUT that's the trajectory of this franchise. Joe flacco is not a good quarterback. He's an average QB whos capable of a few big moments and if you are lucky, like we were in post season 2012, he can have a streak. overall, if he were playing for the browns they still wouldn't have sniffed the playoffs. He isnt worth our long term investment. His QBR or whatever ratings you wish to bestow upon him are middle of the pack or lower. However, while i dont see us making the post season for a long long time, flacco isnt the MAIN issue..he is a big one. He's vastly overrated by the FO and homer fans who use Kyle Boller as a benchmark..but the biggest issue is John Harbaugh and the FO. They have little to 0 eye for talent and their player development is pretty awful. We have mismanaged the cap and have also placed too much emphasis on special teams, to the point where it could be backfiring on the players by putting so much pressure on simple tasks. We also have a coach who knows that our team cannot beat down the opponent and needs to scrape by and yet refuses to take points KNOWING that every game we play goes down to the last possesion.

 

John Harbaugh has been a losing coach since the SB season along with Joe Fluko. He's also a bit of an emotional wreck on the sideline. Whenever someone states a pretty damning but truthful question or fact he gets so passive aggressive or defensive rather than admit the cold hard truth. My question to the homers on this forum, unlike the RSF forum which doesn't sugar coat things, why does everyone here seems to think the John Harbs- Joe Flacco combination is the only hope we have?..I also think Ozzie/ Eric De costa are washed up in their abilities. Our draft picks since 2009 have been forgettable and our team isnt even talked about. We're irrelevant. You can talk about the market etc but the truth is, we are irrelevant because we don't have personalities and superstar ability to go with it.

 

 

 

Hey Skip, I think we'll just wait for Shannon's input here. I'm sure he wants to counter.

[Militant X 1]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's not what I'm saying. I want the team to run the ball more, because frankly, its hard to run the ball less. Has nothing to do with it.

I generally find that most people who are living in the past and want the "smashmouth" or "Ravens football" to come back are the guys who want to see the reincarnation of the 2008 Ravens.

It was a tough defense that stopped the run well, we ran the ball 600 times (about 35-40 times a game) and Joe would throw the ball about 20-25 times a game in a game manager role. We just lined up and ran it up the middle and punished people. I think that's what people want.

The problem is... they're never going to get that. Not for many, many years. No team in the league does that anymore, mostly because it wouldn't be effective.

That's not what I'm saying either.  Interestingly enough, you say that the "smashmouth" style or brand of football doesn't work in this present day NFL anymore because it's ineffective and yet, by the same token, it seems as though (at least for the Ravens) neither is being a "passing" team working.  This team lacks "balance" and again, to me; they are trying to force it into being this passing juggernaut and it's clearly not that!  Even Harbaugh said that the Ravens are a physical team that wants to run the football.  So, why can't they do it?  

Jacket, why not focus more on building the team to run the football (i,e, the Cowboys offensive line) and utilize a highly effective passing game off of that?  Don't we always say that the battle is fought and won in the trenches at the line of scrimmage?  And, since O-lineman prefer to run the ball instead of pass blocking?

[Cawtious]

35 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

Stanley practicing is definitely very good news.  I think our OL can make due if we have him starting at LT!

I doubt he'll return as a starter on Sunday.  Maybe by next week if he is back today......I'd like to be wrong, that being said.

[Gtown Purple]

Regardless of who plays we need to maintain a balance on offense. Trestman rarely if ever did that even though Kubiak proved it many times over. When we go primarily pass it usually backfires. That should be clearly evident after 2 subpar showings against weaker defenses.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's not what I'm saying either.  Interestingly enough, you say that the "smashmouth" style or brand of football doesn't work in this present day NFL anymore because it's ineffective and yet, by the same token, it seems as though (at least for the Ravens) neither is being a "passing" team working.  This team lacks "balance" and again, to me; they are trying to force it into being this passing juggernaut and it's clearly not that!  Even Harbaugh said that the Ravens are a physical team that wants to run the football.  So, why can't they do it?  

Jacket, why not focus more on building the team to run the football (i,e, the Cowboys offensive line) and utilize a highly effective passing game off of that?  Don't we always say that the battle is fought and won in the trenches at the line of scrimmage?  And, since O-lineman prefer to run the ball instead of pass blocking?

Can certainly do that, although it would appear that our offensive line as of now isn't quite built for that. 

But the difference is... building the team to "run the football" in this context basically means we are probably still going to throw the ball about 60% of the time. It doesn't mean a 60/40 run/pass ratio. 

I mean even Dallas, a team with a dominant Oline that could run the ball a ton, throws the ball 60% of the time... and that's with a rookie QB. Basically, a "run based" offense in this league is throwing the ball at least 55% of the time, meaning they're still emphasizing the pass game a bit more.

[VermontRaven]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

That's not what I'm saying. I want the team to run the ball more, because frankly, its hard to run the ball less. Has nothing to do with it.

I generally find that most people who are living in the past and want the "smashmouth" or "Ravens football" to come back are the guys who want to see the reincarnation of the 2008 Ravens.

It was a tough defense that stopped the run well, we ran the ball 600 times (about 35-40 times a game) and Joe would throw the ball about 20-25 times a game in a game manager role. We just lined up and ran it up the middle and punished people. I think that's what people want.

The problem is... they're never going to get that. Not for many, many years. No team in the league does that anymore, mostly because it wouldn't be effective.

 

6 minutes ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's not what I'm saying either.  Interestingly enough, you say that the "smashmouth" style or brand of football doesn't work in this present day NFL anymore because it's ineffective and yet, by the same token, it seems as though (at least for the Ravens) neither is being a "passing" team working.  This team lacks "balance" and again, to me; they are trying to force it into being this passing juggernaut and it's clearly not that!  Even Harbaugh said that the Ravens are a physical team that wants to run the football.  So, why can't they do it?  

Jacket, why not focus more on building the team to run the football (i,e, the Cowboys offensive line) and utilize a highly effective passing game off of that?  Don't we always say that the battle is fought and won in the trenches at the line of scrimmage?  And, since O-lineman prefer to run the ball instead of pass blocking?

I think clearly this is the struggle here.  Ravens are trying to figure out where they want to be offensively, somewhere between the ground and pound "smashmouth" football and the pass all the time even when we are ahead and averaging 6 yards per carry "Trestman" offense from last week.  Definitely a bit of an identity crisis.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm glad the fans don't run this team. Let's be real, even if Sami was "right" about 80% of the time we'd be an organization at rock bottom. We might have a couple of decent years.. But overall no.

 

To be honest, I can think of maybe 3 people on the forum who I'd trust have any semblance of power on this team, let alone run it. Myself not included as I tried that in the game we played and it was a disaster. I can assure you: Sami is not on the list in any capacity.

 

People ignore him, he's preaching a stupid agenda that not even the fans will get behind, and I'm glad the front office and the coaching staff and ownership doesn't listen to us. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Militant X 1 said:

That's not what I'm saying either.  Interestingly enough, you say that the "smashmouth" style or brand of football doesn't work in this present day NFL anymore because it's ineffective and yet, by the same token, it seems as though (at least for the Ravens) neither is being a "passing" team working.  This team lacks "balance" and again, to me; they are trying to force it into being this passing juggernaut and it's clearly not that!  Even Harbaugh said that the Ravens are a physical team that wants to run the football.  So, why can't they do it?  

Jacket, why not focus more on building the team to run the football (i,e, the Cowboys offensive line) and utilize a highly effective passing game off of that?  Don't we always say that the battle is fought and won in the trenches at the line of scrimmage?  And, since O-lineman prefer to run the ball instead of pass blocking?

Well I do think the team wants to run the football more, be more physical. It was Trestman who didnt.

And, he's gone. 

I think everyone ever would agree that Flacco should not be leading the league in passing attempts. Not Harbs, not Oz, not Joe himself. Well Marc Trestman did. But again, hes gone.

So, I think youre going to see what you want going forward. We're going to run more. Let our lineman hit some guys and go forward to start the game. But we'll still pass the ball a good amount... more than 50%.

Edited October 13, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[RavensFanMania]

@Sami84   Please Please Please go apply to be General Manager of the Steelers, Pats or Bengals and take @wizard1 with you to be the assistant GM. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, RavensFanMania said:

@Sami84   Please Please Please go apply to be General Manager of the Steelers, Pats or Bengals and take @wizard1 with you to be the assistant GM. 

I would love to see this. Another fan run team(besides the Redskins). I'll go find a benafactor doner, just do it. 

[iceripper]

I'm okay with Harbaugh. The only thing that annoys me is his ST obsession. I know you have to respect all 3 phases of football. One ST play can  completely change a game like every other play. Ozzie/Harbs chose Carter instead of Ochi. What exactly has Carter done to improve our ST play? Another example: D.Brown was just actived because he might block a punt. 4 TE's active on gameday, but only 3 pass rusher Suggs, Doom and ZDS (who has been an absolute non-factor so far) brilliant idea. Special teamer should be aces at their position like Trawick. We badly miss him. I'd rather keep players who can contribute on Offense/Defense than subpar STeamer.

Who were the Redskins CB's last week? They got their job done. There always seems to be a massiv drop off whenever one of our starters gets injured.

But in the end it's always easy to point a finger at sth. esp. after a loss or in our case a mid-season slump.

[Militant X 1]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Can certainly do that, although it would appear that our offensive line as of now isn't quite built for that. 

But the difference is... building the team to "run the football" in this context basically means we are probably still going to throw the ball about 60% of the time. It doesn't mean a 60/40 run/pass ratio. 

I mean even Dallas, a team with a dominant Oline that could run the ball a ton, throws the ball 60% of the time... and that's with a rookie QB. Basically, a "run based" offense in this league is throwing the ball at least 55% of the time, meaning they're still emphasizing the pass game a bit more.

Gotcha!  Great point! 

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Well I do think the team wants to run the football more, be more physical. It was Trestman who didnt.

And, he's gone. 

I think everyone ever would agree that Flacco should not be leading the league in passing attempts. Not Harbs, not Oz, not Joe himself. Well Marc Trestman did. But again, hes gone.

So, I think youre going to see what you want going forward. We're going to run more. Let our lineman hit some guys and go forward to start the game. But we'll still pass the ball a good amount... more than 50%.

I really believe that the core of our identity is to run the football.  And our inability to do so or to go away from it when it is clearly working (as we did against the Redskins) just for the sake of throwing the ball just to be throwing it leads to a horrendous showing for the offense.  Now, that doesn't mean that we don't throw the ball but I'd like to see how our offense does if it leans a little more heavily towards pounding the rock and then passing or running play action off of that.  

[wizard1]

1 hour ago, RavensFanMania said:

@Sami84   Please Please Please go apply to be General Manager of the Steelers, Pats or Bengals and take @wizard1 with you to be the assistant GM. 

Sorry pal I'm not going anywhere. You need a reality check. Not everyone thinks like you do. I'm so thankful for that. Try to picture what this world would look like if everyone thought like you and Lost_in_translation. It would be Lost_in_Ravens_Mania. Not a fun place to be.

[Sami84]

17 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Sorry pal I'm not going anywhere. You need a reality check. Not everyone thinks like you do. I'm so thankful for that. Try to picture what this world would look like if everyone thought like you and Lost_in_translation. It would be Lost_in_Ravens_Mania. Not a fun place to be.

 

 

You'd have had cody whitehair and malcolm mitchell in the 2nd and 3rd round..you wouldnt have matt elam and a plethora of other busts.

The two selections we made that i liked in recent years were CJ mosely and ronnie stanley.

The ones i hated were Sergio freaking kindle and that fat slob i wont even name. I wanted gronk in that draft..i was so sure that we were looking to replace heap with the 1st pick..but no. I didnt want jimmy smith in 2011 but i understood the reasoning. My pick was m. wilkerson. I hated the Upshaw pick in 2012. I felt we should have traded up for hightower. 

 

so basically if i was GM you would have had in 2013 

1: Keenan Allen ( my pick)

in 2014 : CJ was a good pick..my hope was Beckham jr and Aaron Donald

2015: I cried buckets with the perriman pick. I wanted to trade back for preston Smith

 

2016: Good pick..i also wasnt opposed to jack conklin 

 

So you would have had these players

 

Gronk,M.Wilkerson,D.Hightower,Keenan Allen, Cj Mosley,Preston Smith, Ronnie Stanley

 

Instead you had

Sergio Kindle, Fat Slob,Jimmy mediocre smith,Fat Courtney,matt '' ed reed'' elam, Cj Mosely, ''its a blessing to be here'' perriman, Stanley.

 

I'll give the FO credit for two picks which i approved of.

Edited October 13, 2016 by Sami84

[Sami84]

and please dont give me the sergio staircase crap. He was a bust waiting to happen regardless. Super overrated. Average bend..i called him a poor mans whitney merciulis and he isnt event that great.

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm glad the fans don't run this team. Let's be real, even if Sami was "right" about 80% of the time we'd be an organization at rock bottom. We might have a couple of decent years.. But overall no.

 

To be honest, I can think of maybe 3 people on the forum who I'd trust have any semblance of power on this team, let alone run it. Myself not included as I tried that in the game we played and it was a disaster. I can assure you: Sami is not on the list in any capacity.

 

People ignore him, he's preaching a stupid agenda that not even the fans will get behind, and I'm glad the front office and the coaching staff and ownership doesn't listen to us. 

Who are they? @Filmstudy for the film breakdowns and @callahan09 for the analytics? And @flynismo and @JoeyFlex5 for the scouting? And @rmcjacket23 for rationality and big picture focus and @Militant X 1 for reality checks?

Edited October 13, 2016 by OUravensfan

[RavensFanMania]

29 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Sorry pal I'm not going anywhere. You need a reality check. Not everyone thinks like you do. I'm so thankful for that. Try to picture what this world would look like if everyone thought like you and Lost_in_translation. It would be Lost_in_Ravens_Mania. Not a fun place to be.

There is a difference in expressing opinion and expressing opinion as factual.  I have no problem with a friendly discusssion with people with a difference of opinion.  Actually I welcome it.  

 

I have to to say I like that screen name....Lost In Ravens Mania

Edited October 13, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Who are they? @Filmstudy for the film breakdowns and @callahan09 for the analytics? And @flynismo and @JoeyFlex5 for the scouting? And @rmcjacket23 for rationality and big picture focus and @Militant X 1 for reality checks?

Believe me, I think there are a lot of knowledgeable people here. A lot. But not a single one of us belongs anywhere near the keys of this car.

Here's a great example of why. Me as the forum scout? Well, I did write this article for BR back in the day:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/153735-draft-day-disasters-2009s-top-5-draft-day-busts

I'd say that turned out to be quite good.

Then a couple years later, I'm opining that Mike Adams should be our top pick as the LT of our future. How's that for a follow up?

These guys make big money, because they are flat out better us at their jobs than we could hope to be.

That won't stop us from pouncing on their every mistake though :/

[RavensFanMania]

37 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

You'd have had cody whitehair and malcolm mitchell in the 2nd and 3rd round..you wouldnt have matt elam and a plethora of other busts.

The two selections we made that i liked in recent years were CJ mosely and ronnie stanley.

The ones i hated were Sergio freaking kindle and that fat slob i wont even name. I wanted gronk in that draft..i was so sure that we were looking to replace heap with the 1st pick..but no. I didnt want jimmy smith in 2011 but i understood the reasoning. My pick was m. wilkerson. I hated the Upshaw pick in 2012. I felt we should have traded up for hightower. 

 

so basically if i was GM you would have had in 2013 

1: Keenan Allen ( my pick)

in 2014 : CJ was a good pick..my hope was Beckham jr and Aaron Donald

2015: I cried buckets with the perriman pick. I wanted to trade back for preston Smith

 

2016: Good pick..i also wasnt opposed to jack conklin 

 

So you would have had these players

 

Gronk,M.Wilkerson,D.Hightower,Keenan Allen, Cj Mosley,Preston Smith, Ronnie Stanley

 

Instead you had

Sergio Kindle, Fat Slob,Jimmy mediocre smith,Fat Courtney,matt '' ed reed'' elam, Cj Mosely, ''its a blessing to be here'' perriman, Stanley.

 

I'll give the FO credit for two picks which i approved of.

7 players doesn't make a team.  just sayin.  Which ones wouldn't have worked, because I'm sure you didn't nail them all.  You can't build a team from the 1st and 2nd round.  There are 5 other rounds and undrafted players. 

Ozzie and staff are terrific at drafting middle round draft and uncovering late round gems.  We are better than most teams in the league at this part of the draft and in my opinion, the most important piece of the puzzle when it comes to the draft.  We have definitely had our misses as do other teams, but our hits outweigh our misses.  

Edited October 13, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

7 players doesn't make a team.  just sayin.  Which ones wouldn't have worked, because I'm sure you didn't nail them all. 

This. And there's more to the draft than just the first round

[wizard1]

37 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

There is a difference in expressing opinion and expressing opinion as factual.  I have no problem with a friendly discusssion with people with a difference of opinion.  Actually I welcome it.  

 

I have to to say I like that screen name....Lost In Ravens Mania

Sort of like an old comfortable pair of shoes huh?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

34 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

Who are they? @Filmstudy for the film breakdowns and @callahan09 for the analytics? And @flynismo and @JoeyFlex5 for the scouting? And @rmcjacket23 for rationality and big picture focus and @Militant X 1 for reality checks?

@Filmstudy for breakdowns 

@-Truth- for scouting. He's the one who's usually right (btw. He hated Elam as well so whoop de do Sami. Way to get something balatantly obvious. I liked the picked upon first inspection but if you looked at his tape he had problems(back when I only could look up highlight reels, now I know to look more at the tape). But the thing is.. That draft pool was horrid and we ended up getting Brandon Williams, Juice, and Wagner, whom all start. Not as bad as some give Ozzie credit for) and I've seldom seen him get it wrong. He's the one who's right 80% of the time. 

@The Raven for offensive line stuff, because hes educated me more about blocking schemes and when to impliment them. 

That's pretty much it. No offense to the other guys, their analysis is good, but those guys are honestly my go-toos. There are very intelligent posters and knowledgeable posters on this forum, a good deal of them. All the ones mentioned above in OUravensfans post are good analysts... I for the most part agree with most of them. But we're not good enough to get hired by nfl teams.

 

I'm a semi-decent scout. I have my misses, but I'm willing to admit that the professionals are a hell of a lot better.