When will receivers step up?

[trevorsteadman]

I'm getting tired of all the Flacco hate when he deserves some but not all of what he is getting. It seems like every year a statistic comes out that the Ravens receivers have the most dropped yards in the NFL. Ever since 2009 it seems to have been an issue.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3b6r3d/joe_flacco_had_the_most_yards_lost_due_to_dropped/

In 2014 it was 472 yards, over 80 to the next QB. Think of on top of that that doesn't include YAC. Every year there is  a statistic like this and every year it never changes... When will the Ravens receivers remember that their job is to hold onto the ball?

[Deflated Football]

The only ones I've seen consistently dropping/having the ball knocked out of their hands are BP and Moore, two rookies, which is understandable. Aiken had his arm hooked by the rookie two weeks ago and Wallace took his eyes of the ball last week after going over the middle, something he's not really used too. What WR's are you talking about that need to step up? 

[flynismo]

Wallace has multiple drops as well, not just the rooks.

But it isn't just about drops; it's the same old story...they need to get separation more often. A lot of that might have to do with playcalling being so predictable. Kind of hard for them to get open when the D knows every pass won't travel more than 5 yards in the air.

[Deflated Football]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Wallace has multiple drops as well, not just the rooks.

But it isn't just about drops; it's the same old story...they need to get separation more often. A lot of that might have to do with playcalling being so predictable. Kind of hard for them to get open when the D knows every pass won't travel more than 5 yards in the air.

How many drops has he had?

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

The only ones I've seen consistently dropping/having the ball knocked out of their hands are BP and Moore, two rookies, which is understandable. Aiken had his arm hooked by the rookie two weeks ago and Wallace took his eyes of the ball last week after going over the middle, something he's not really used too. What WR's are you talking about that need to step up? 

Everybody. Steve Smith has even had the dropsies the last 3 seasons. So far he is looking good but the previous two seasons he dropped key catches but he also made up for it with his big plays. Going back to Lee Evans, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, and even Boldin. It isn't just a few receivers. Every year Flacco's receivers are top 5 in the league in drops. You can't just point out to specific receivers. I feel like there is something missing in offseason workouts and practice that reduce this stat.

[flynismo]

Just now, Deflated Football said:

How many drops has he had?

Officially? I'm not sure. By my count, three.

[trevorsteadman]

According to http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2016/customize/ we have only 7 but there are more by my count and not sure what their definition of drop is. 

[flynismo]

5 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

According to http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2016/customize/ we have only 7 but there are more by my count and not sure what their definition of drop is. 

They have Wallace at one drop. Yeah right. He had a drop this past week on our final offensive play of the game, he had a dropped TD pass the week before in our loss to the Raiders and a drop week 2(?) on another deepish pass.

West had two drops in one game, and they have him listed with one.

Edited October 12, 2016 by flynismo

[reed20]

SSS is the only one balling. The rest of them need to step up their game.

[trevorsteadman]

So the point of this thread was to point out the obvious. Every offseason we point this out at one point in time but it is not a highlight. Then people come back and say 'Oh Flacco isn't a 4000 yard QB'... Well yeah because 500 of it was from drops and add in the YAC. Sure he has a boneheaded mistake here and there but he has been playing very well in my eyes. I just don't understand why we can't have consistent weapons.

[The Raven]

33 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

The only ones I've seen consistently dropping/having the ball knocked out of their hands are BP and Moore, two rookies, which is understandable. Aiken had his arm hooked by the rookie two weeks ago and Wallace took his eyes of the ball last week after going over the middle, something he's not really used too. What WR's are you talking about that need to step up? 

Is it really understandable? Does the process of catching a football change from high school and college to the NFL?

[flynismo]

12 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Is it really understandable? Does the process of catching a football change from high school and college to the NFL?

Especially considering Moore and BP's drops...my god. Nobody within 5 yards of Moore both times. Same with Perriman. Not even like they were wide open, but coming out of a sharp break and maybe the timing was just a hair off or something like that (not that that's excusable, but at least it's something)

[trevorsteadman]

Watching the Ravens vs. other teams.. I have never seen another team drop so many wide open passes. I even think I saw Forsett drop 3 or 4 in the breadbasket before he was let go just this season. 

[izvoodoo]

4 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Especially considering Moore and BP's drops...my god. Nobody within 5 yards of Moore both times. Same with Perriman. Not even like they were wide open, but coming out of a sharp break and maybe the timing was just a hair off or something like that (not that that's excusable, but at least it's something)

That happens more for TEs and and coming across the middle.  You basically have to know where that ball is before you turn a lot of times on some of those routes.

 

Out wide if the ball is catchable it's all on the receiver.

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Is it really understandable? Does the process of catching a football change from high school and college to the NFL?

Yes, it is. Did you watch BP in college? He dropped really easy catches and it's starting to translate to the NFL. That's why half of this board didn't like the pick. Go back and watch some college tape of him, bud. 

Edited October 12, 2016 by Deflated Football

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, you have to make these catches. Ball hits your hands no excuse, and that's especially directly to Breshad Perriman and Chris Moore. Moore's drops hurt him bad, if he made his catches than he wouldn't be inactive vs Washington. Both guys missed out on having big games because they just don't catch the football. We can hear all about how Perriman is practicing on the jugs but truth is that practice and game time is different. He's going to have to show up with those catches. I'll give him a pass for time missed though. 

Edited October 12, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

32 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Yes, it is. Did you watch BP in college? He dropped really easy catches and it's starting to translate to the NFL. That's why half of this board didn't like the pick. Go back and watch some college tape of him, bud. 

Someone here said it, I forgot who but I totally agreed with what was said. Perriman, I believe is going to be a good player for us in the future, but he is going to frustrate us with easy catches and make the toughest ones. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

Wallace has multiple drops as well, not just the rooks.

But it isn't just about drops; it's the same old story...they need to get separation more often. A lot of that might have to do with playcalling being so predictable. Kind of hard for them to get open when the D knows every pass won't travel more than 5 yards in the air.

 

Well, not predictable. We can't establish a run game which makes it a hell of a lot easier to defend the pass. It does make us predictable in that sense. But I think we found something that works in the run game. Under Marty I hope we're better. 

 

As for Perriman and Moore, both need to get adjusted to the speed of the game first. They'll struggle but hands can improve over time. And Perriman (even though one poster in particular will deny it) has made his share of impressive plays so far. One was against the Browns where he ran a perfect route and caught a pass over the middle. He needs to get adjusted which I can accept. Perriman hasn't had a training camp or much of a preseason, it's been an uphill battle.

 

As for Moore, same applies but I never thought too much of him tbh if you go back to my draft grade. I'll admit the hype got to me, but he has legit talent. 

12 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Someone here said it, I forgot who but I totally agreed with what was said. Perriman, I believe is going to be a good player for us in the future, but he is going to frustrate us with easy catches and make the toughest ones. 

 

Here's the thing, bad WRs don't make the catches he did. In a lot of ways he does compare to Demaryius Thomas lol, in terms of athletic ability and his playstyle coming out of college. He's got the ability to make catches a #1 makes, he's proved it thus far on the NFL level(if he drags his foot that's a hell of a catch. He'll learn). He's gonna have a week where he just breaks out. Watch

[PurpleCity5]

15 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Here's the thing, bad WRs don't make the catches he did. In a lot of ways he does compare to Demaryius Thomas lol, in terms of athletic ability and his playstyle coming out of college. He's got the ability to make catches a #1 makes, he's proved it thus far on the NFL level(if he drags his foot that's a hell of a catch. He'll learn). He's gonna have a week where he just breaks out. Watch

It reminds of Kelvin Benjamin. Not that him and Perriman are the same type of player, far from it but they can both frustrate you. Both will drop routing passes but come away with some of the most insane ones. I think Perriman has made great catches. That catch vs Buffalo in week 1 or even that diving catch vs Cleveland. He's still got a long way to go. I like that he's contributing in the short and intermediate passing game. That's a great sign for me, it proves that he's not one dimensional. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

3 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

It reminds of Kelvin Benjamin. Not that him and Perriman are the same type of player, far from it but they can both frustrate you. Both will drop routing passes but come away with some of the most insane ones. I think Perriman has made great catches. That catch vs Buffalo in week 1 or even that diving catch vs Cleveland. He's still got a long way to go. I like that he's contributing in the short and intermediate passing game. That's a great sign for me, it proves that he's not one dimensional. 

I think he's more like Dez (potentially). He struggled a little on very catch-able balls earlier in his career.

The catch BP made on the Josh Norman injury was absolutely grade A. He's got the potential. That end-zone toe tap thing wasn't an easy catch and didn't lose the game for us. It was an incredible pass and required an equally incredible (if not more incredible) catch to make it all work against one of the top 5 corners in the game. To go right at Norman in crunch time tells us how much this team believes in his potential.

Hopefully as the season continues we won't consistently be in these 'panic mode/do or die' scenarios and expecting miraculous results.

[PurpleHorseman]

 

  Perriman has massive potential. He makes acrobatic catches with 4.25 speed to boot. He has made some spectacular catches. Consistency comes with repetition. 

  Didn't Chris Moore toast Two first round cornerbacks on spectacular electric catches? Or was it a first and second round cornerback? He will begin hanging onto the ball to. And he looks so quick out there. He is always open like a convenient store. Perriman has blazing 4.25 speed and Moore appears to be just as fast and slightly quicker.

  These guys will begin hauling in the football. And the ravens are just finding out how to effectively utilize these rookies and new guys. This offense is going to click. Then it will be defenses beware.

[Hot rum]

Yeah so part of it I think has to do with our quarterback he has no Razzmatazz he's very readable and when you script where you going to throw the ball it makes it very easy for defenses to hone in on the receiver. Please avoid speaking badly about Steve Smith I'm sorry man that guy should be off limits to critique I say that to say first let the other receivers get even close to his level of reliability then we can start criticizing him. I think the ravens incorrectly tripled Down on tight ends, it seemed as if that was more of a focus then the receiving Corps.I think if Ben Watson was healthy I wouldn't be complaining, this season would look a lot different. But if I'm the new offensive coordinator every receiver is hitting that jug machine until they have at least 40 catches in a row without dropping 1 ( joke) repetition repetition that's the only way you get over dropping the ball. 

Edited October 12, 2016 by Hot rum

[Cillmatic]

They won't step up their game until they're forced to... Just look at sammie coates, it's time to put Perriman as the #3 and give him as many snaps as possible.

 

Sadly, our incompetent coaching staff doesn't even know how to handle Judon. After Perriman's drop I'd bet that they won't even give him more than 5 snaps next week. 

Edited October 12, 2016 by Cillmatic

[BmoreBird22]

The only real difference I can think of is that the ball is bigger and that Joe throws extremely fast. He's easily able to throw over 50 MPH, which is insane for a football throw.

He's able to deliver some darts that'd make some hands sore. I think it'll take time to adjust to some of the over the middle throws.

Still frustrated by Moore and Perriman dropping two easy touchdowns that were not darts, but the rest I find reasonable.

[OUravensfan]

10 hours ago, flynismo said:

Wallace has multiple drops as well, not just the rooks.

But it isn't just about drops; it's the same old story...they need to get separation more often. A lot of that might have to do with playcalling being so predictable. Kind of hard for them to get open when the D knows every pass won't travel more than 5 yards in the air.

4 TDs total this year not caught for Joe. Same story every year. Separation is another thing that is glaringly flawed here when you watch other games, the degree of difficulty on throws that Joe is consistently asked to make is insane when compared to some other QBs.

All I hear from the Flacco haters is how inaccurate he is, did you see how perfect the two throws to Perriman were? Did you see Mike Wallace drop a 4th down pass?

it really is upsetting how drops have followed Flacco his entire career, it is literally insane.

BTW, we're 5-0 if drops are caught, that's our QB.

Edited October 12, 2016 by OUravensfan

[Sami84]

6 hours ago, PurpleHorseman said:

 

  Perriman has massive potential. He makes acrobatic catches with 4.25 speed to boot. He has made some spectacular catches. Consistency comes with repetition. 

  Didn't Chris Moore toast Two first round cornerbacks on spectacular electric catches? Or was it a first and second round cornerback? He will begin hanging onto the ball to. And he looks so quick out there. He is always open like a convenient store. Perriman has blazing 4.25 speed and Moore appears to be just as fast and slightly quicker.

  These guys will begin hauling in the football. And the ravens are just finding out how to effectively utilize these rookies and new guys. This offense is going to click. Then it will be defenses beware.

 

this 4.25 speed? i dont see it...

then again jacoby jones was timed at 4.5 in his combine..

they both couldnt catch..

 

truth is that the long threats have never been joes outlet. its always been the smart route runners wth good hands. torrey won us a lot of games at the death even when flacco overthrew him due to PI.

 

perriman is going to make this board mental..i said it when we drafted him and now you are starting to see why. He'll have more issues going forward. one more game like the last and i think everyone here will see why pretty much NO one wanted him in the 2015 draft. 

[The Raven]

8 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Yes, it is. Did you watch BP in college? He dropped really easy catches and it's starting to translate to the NFL. That's why half of this board didn't like the pick. Go back and watch some college tape of him, bud. 

The point 

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[Moderator 3]

I think coaching has a lot to do with WRs getting open and making difficult catches.  WRs need to learn to use their bodies to block out defenders.  Derrick Mason was the best we've ever had at that.  WRs sail through college as the fastest guys on the field.  When they get to the NFL, everybody is big and fast.  More "skill" is need to succeed. 

[flynismo]

13 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

4 TDs total this year not caught for Joe. Same story every year. Separation is another thing that is glaringly flawed here when you watch other games, the degree of difficulty on throws that Joe is consistently asked to make is insane when compared to some other QBs.

All I hear from the Flacco haters is how inaccurate he is, did you see how perfect the two throws to Perriman were? Did you see Mike Wallace drop a 4th down pass?

it really is upsetting how drops have followed Flacco his entire career, it is literally insane.

BTW, we're 5-0 if drops are caught, that's our QB.

Yep, many many times over the years I've told the Flacco hating "fans" here to go watch a Saints game if they want to see what an open receiver looks like. Of course, that is just dismissed as an excuse, and Brees telepathically navigates WRs into massive holes in coverage which is what makes him elite and Flacco an overpaid scrub.

It's also funny to me that it never occurred to them (or more likely, they just choose to blatantly ignore) that Flacco wouldn't be throwing into coverage so much IF THE RECEIVERS WERE GETTING OPEN. I'm telling you, there is a direct correlation between low intelligence and being anti-Flacco.

FWIW, although it still nowhere near an acceptable rate, the receivers so far this year are doing a better job of getting open compared to years past. Probably has more to do with Wallace and Perriman being on the field than anything, but still nice to see an improvement, even if it is marginal.

[flynismo]

8 minutes ago, The Raven said:

The point 

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Even the point is getting more separation than our guys do