[News] What Changes Will Be Made Under Marty Mornhinweg?

[Derrel]

Some comments:

1. the OL is not blocking well enough to run the ball effectively
2. the OL is not keeping the defense off Flacco
3. the receivers are not getting open, hence the completions 'under the coverage'
4. no pass rush and spotty DB coverage
5. our defense seems to run out of gas late in the game....wonder about conditioning

Changing the OC may help some but the players are responsible for the last two losses. The second half schedule is tougher. As reported recently, if Harbaugh was thinking about changing the OC during the off season why not pull the trigger then instead of doing it now. It would have benefited the entire offense to work with the new guy during the pre-season. Is this his last season?

[haarvik]

Watching last weeks game reminded me of when Trestman coached Chicago. Flacco looked like Cutler the way he was always under duress. I really questioned why they even bothered to hire him, but since I am not a coach I can't explain that decision.

[Ravenwave]

Why the pessimism??? Talking about replacing everyone!!! ARE YOU NUTS???!!! First of all, the thing I love about watching Ravens football last year, this year, and every year is the fact that we have the coolest level headed group of coaches and players. They believe they can WIN every game even when we are down 21 or more points. Do you want to be like the Raiders have been for the Past 13 years or the Redskins have been on and off for the past 17 years with no continuity or hope because they are constantly influx.  EVERYONE needs to read the bellow article from last week by Dan Steinberg about that issue comparing the Redskins to the Ravens. I know I don’t want to see us in flux for the next 10 to 20 years without any hope. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/10/07/what-would-a-more-patient-redskins-organization-look-like-a-lot-like-the-ravens/

 

D.C. Sports Bog Opinion

What would a more patient Redskins organization look like? A lot like the Ravens

By Dan Steinberg October 7

 

“The Ravens also have one thing the Redskins have almost never demonstrated: faith in continuity and patience. That’s why the Ravens could falter so badly last season — going 5-11 during an injury-marred mess — and then brag about their commitment to stability. “

 

“If you go through the league, the winning teams are the ones that have the least turnover in their front office and their coaching staffs,” Baltimore owner Steve Bisciotti said during the offseason, while explaining that no major changes were in store. “You can’t just turn things over based on your record. I think that just sends you down. … One thing that I’m proud of is that we all view continuity as a strength. … Continuity doesn’t stem from laziness, it comes from confidence.”

[harfordravenfan]

Nice post ravenwave and something many don't understand... Teams constantly making coaching/FO changes are often those picking in the top ten year after year

[Ravenshine]

7 minutes ago, Ravenwave said:

Why the pessimism??? Talking about replacing everyone!!! ARE YOU NUTS???!!! First of all, the thing I love about watching Ravens football last year, this year, and every year is the fact that we have the coolest level headed group of coaches and players. They believe they can WIN every game even when we are down 21 or more points. Do you want to be like the Raiders have been for the Past 13 years or the Redskins have been on and off for the past 17 years with no continuity or hope because they are constantly influx.  EVERYONE needs to read the bellow article from last week by Dan Steinberg about that issue comparing the Redskins to the Ravens. I know I don’t want to see us in flux for the next 10 to 20 years without any hope. 

 

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/10/07/what-would-a-more-patient-redskins-organization-look-like-a-lot-like-the-ravens/

 

 

 

D.C. Sports Bog Opinion

 

What would a more patient Redskins organization look like? A lot like the Ravens

 

By Dan Steinberg October 7

 

 

 

“The Ravens also have one thing the Redskins have almost never demonstrated: faith in continuity and patience. That’s why the Ravens could falter so badly last season — going 5-11 during an injury-marred mess — and then brag about their commitment to stability. “

 

 

 

“If you go through the league, the winning teams are the ones that have the least turnover in their front office and their coaching staffs,” Baltimore owner Steve Bisciotti said during the offseason, while explaining that no major changes were in store. “You can’t just turn things over based on your record. I think that just sends you down. … One thing that I’m proud of is that we all view continuity as a strength. … Continuity doesn’t stem from laziness, it comes from confidence.”

 

I agree! We are lucky this team is truly every sense of the word 'teammates'. Continuity is important. That's why I think Harbs waited so long on Trestman. It's a move that was needed after our season started to stall...to keep the focus on track and begin a turnaround for the better, but I can see how they are not quick to just drop people at first signs of trouble. Nice article you shared to put it in perspective.

[RavensBaltimore]

  10 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  11 hours ago, designermaryland said:

  20 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

how is every other qb in the league able to throw intermediate to deep throws, but flacco cannot? surely there are not 31 great offensive lines giving everyone perfect protection and we are the only team not. we are leading the league in pass attempts or at the top. flacco just has no awareness or escapability to find a dead spot when rush is oncoming, like every other qb. he has never had that quality which is why he fumbles a lot when he is sacked. he throws some excellent passes, but more often lately he is bailing out and throwing inaccurately and it is not just because there is pressure, but that he cannot escape or evade it. that is a flacco problem.

I don't think anything you said here is remotely accurate. Flacco is one of the best intermediate/deep throwers in the league. "Every other QB in the league" doesn't consistently complete passes down field with no time to throw and wrs who can't get open or catch. In fact, none of them do. Did you see Brady when his o-line was struggling and Gronk wasn't healthy? He was literally one of the worst QBs in the league, even though he had Edelman, who can get quick separation. Flacco has no one who can do that. You are also dead wrong about Flacco's pocket presence and awareness. Aaron Rodgers fumbled as many times in one game as Joe did has all season. Flacco is leading the league in pass attempts and gets pressured and hit more than just about anyone, yet there are other QBs that are fumbling and getting sacked more than he is. Even one of the CBS broadcasters mentioned how great Joe was at avoiding sacks. He is avoiding the pressure when he can, and he usually protects the ball, but you want your QBs eyes down field, and when you have an o-line like we do, anybody would get caught with an unexpected shot from time to time. If Joe didn't have great awareness, he would probably lead the league in sacks taken, because the line has been that bad. Despite all that, Flacco's stats throwing the ball down field would still be pretty good if the wrs would catch the perfectly thrown passes that hit them in the hands.

The excuse machine rolls on. Nothing you said here is a fact. To even compare Far Below Average Joe to Brady or Rodgers is ridiculous. Run along and mix up your next batch of grape Kool Aid.

There are plenty of facts in my post, but there are none in your response. Watch the game and tell me what part of my analogy was false. You can call them "excuses" all you want, but you have nothing to refute them. I'm not drinking purple Kool aid. I'm looking at all aspects, whereas you are ignoring the circumstances and simply putting blame on the qb. If anything said here is ridiculous, it's calling a qb with Flacco's abilities and accomplishments "far below average".

[TheConquerorWorm]

Some comments:

1. the OL is not blocking well enough to run the ball effectively
2. the OL is not keeping the defense off Flacco
3. the receivers are not getting open, hence the completions 'under the coverage'
4. no pass rush and spotty DB coverage
5. our defense seems to run out of gas late in the game....wonder about conditioning

Changing the OC may help some but the players are responsible for the last two losses. The second half schedule is tougher. As reported recently, if Harbaugh was thinking about changing the OC during the off season why not pull the trigger then instead of doing it now. It would have benefited the entire offense to work with the new guy during the pre-season. Is this his last season?

I agree with all those points except maybe the last one.

I think the reason Harbs didn't pull the trigger is because of all the injuries. Hard to judge a guy's offense when the team is missing it's starting QB, it's starting LT, it's starting C, it's starting & 2nd string RB, it's starting and 2nd string TE, it's starting & 2nd string WR. The only starters that played the year were KO,Yanda & Wagner.

Harbaugh is not going anywhere (nor should he). Steve said it - there is a reason that the same teams are always in the play-offs - the Squealers, the Bungles, the Pansies, the Packers, the Seahawks. What do all of them have in common? The same head coach for the past several years. Which teams have changed their head coach the most - Browns, Bucs, Titans, Dolphins...See a pattern....

[TheConquerorWorm]

The run has to set up the pass. You run until it draws 7-8 into the box and then you pass off play action. If they can't stop the run, you keep on running until they do. That's how defenses get worn down and allow you the big plays.

Also, when running you constantly send your receivers deep, rotating fresh receivers in every play. Again to wear down the DB's.

The problem is that teams are playing 7-8 in the box from the start and their corners are up on the line of scrimmage. If our WRs can't beat single press coverage, then this offense is going nowhere.

Easy offense to scheme against - press coverage on the WR's (also takes away runs to the outside and screen passes). Safeties deep and roll coverage to the downfield routes (takes away the deep ball). LBs close to line (stops the run, blitz for pass rush). So basically all that's left is underneath checkdowns to the FB & TE for 5-6 yards...Sound familiar?

I don't care what play you call or what formation you use, that's the defense I'm running until you show me that your WR can get open against my DBs. Until we get a legit #1 WR and a game breaking RB, this is always going to be an average offense and will never put up 30 points per game. This team is talented and we can win but it's going to be those close, ugly games that we are use to.

[bluehen]

The Ravens certainly suck at picking offensive coordinators, I guess you have to kiss a lot of FROGS before you find the Prince!

[DBsRAVENS]

The run has to set up the pass. You run until it draws 7-8 into the box and then you pass off play action. If they can't stop the run, you keep on running until they do. That's how defenses get worn down and allow you the big plays.

Also, when running you constantly send your receivers deep, rotating fresh receivers in every play. Again to wear down the DB's.

It is really that simple. Plus your O-Line is firing off the ball delivering the hit instead of always receiving the hit in pass blocking.

[Crusader]

The Ravens certainly suck at picking offensive coordinators, I guess you have to kiss a lot of FROGS before you find the Prince!

We need a Kubiak Clone but I'm afraid John will have to go before that happens. Rumors had it he did not want Kubiak.

[poescrows]

  7 hours ago, 20306cab said:

  12 hours ago, RavensBaltimore said:

  12 hours ago, designermaryland said:

  22 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

how is every other qb in the league able to throw intermediate to deep throws, but flacco cannot? surely there are not 31 great offensive lines giving everyone perfect protection and we are the only team not. we are leading the league in pass attempts or at the top. flacco just has no awareness or escapability to find a dead spot when rush is oncoming, like every other qb. he has never had that quality which is why he fumbles a lot when he is sacked. he throws some excellent passes, but more often lately he is bailing out and throwing inaccurately and it is not just because there is pressure, but that he cannot escape or evade it. that is a flacco problem.

I don't think anything you said here is remotely accurate. Flacco is one of the best intermediate/deep throwers in the league. "Every other QB in the league" doesn't consistently complete passes down field with no time to throw and wrs who can't get open or catch. In fact, none of them do. Did you see Brady when his o-line was struggling and Gronk wasn't healthy? He was literally one of the worst QBs in the league, even though he had Edelman, who can get quick separation. Flacco has no one who can do that. You are also dead wrong about Flacco's pocket presence and awareness. Aaron Rodgers fumbled as many times in one game as Joe did has all season. Flacco is leading the league in pass attempts and gets pressured and hit more than just about anyone, yet there are other QBs that are fumbling and getting sacked more than he is. Even one of the CBS broadcasters mentioned how great Joe was at avoiding sacks. He is avoiding the pressure when he can, and he usually protects the ball, but you want your QBs eyes down field, and when you have an o-line like we do, anybody would get caught with an unexpected shot from time to time. If Joe didn't have great awareness, he would probably lead the league in sacks taken, because the line has been that bad. Despite all that, Flacco's stats throwing the ball down field would still be pretty good if the wrs would catch the perfectly thrown passes that hit them in the hands.

The excuse machine rolls on. Nothing you said here is a fact. To even compare Far Below Average Joe to Brady or Rodgers is ridiculous. Run along and mix up your next batch of grape Kool Aid.

There are plenty of facts in my post, but there are none in your response. Watch the game and tell me what part of my analogy was false. You can call them "excuses" all you want, but you have nothing to refute them. I'm not drinking purple Kool aid. I'm looking at all aspects, whereas you are ignoring the circumstances and simply putting blame on the qb. If anything said here is ridiculous, it's calling a qb with Flacco's abilities and accomplishments "far below average".

You are correct sir.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

20 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

Perriman was cold and plays like that gotta be done on 1st down so if a WR drops it he can rebound and get himself together and make the next catch! Too much pressure to catch a pass on 3rd down when you can throw on 1st and 2nd! Let's open up a can on them giants!

I agree, I don't understand why they always take those shots on 3rd down and not trying it on 1st down which gives you another 2 downs to get another 1st down.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

4 hours ago, Derrel said:

Some comments:

1. the OL is not blocking well enough to run the ball effectively
2. the OL is not keeping the defense off Flacco
3. the receivers are not getting open, hence the completions 'under the coverage'
4. no pass rush and spotty DB coverage
5. our defense seems to run out of gas late in the game....wonder about conditioning

Changing the OC may help some but the players are responsible for the last two losses. The second half schedule is tougher. As reported recently, if Harbaugh was thinking about changing the OC during the off season why not pull the trigger then instead of doing it now. It would have benefited the entire offense to work with the new guy during the pre-season. Is this his last season?

To your #5 point - kind of hard not to get gassed when your offense goes 3 and out for most of the game.  The first drive of the game was almost 5 mins and 70 yards; do that in the 3rd and 4th quarter and your defense is rested.   When your defense is on the field more than your offense they're going to be tired.  That said, they still held them to 1 TD and 1 FG the entire game just waiting for the offense to actually do something; which is why I feel Mosley tried so hard to get that ball across the pylon...If the defense was giving up 40 points then I'd cry about them but they aren't, games ARE NOT being lost because of the defense.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

20 hours ago, Purple Dawg 96 said:

I saw alot of positives Sunday and the O line isn't to blame Joe was hitting his TEs down field I just hate 5yd passes sideways instead of up field! Ray Lewis #1 rule he told Ray Rice to ALWAYS ALWAYS head up field like Double R did on 4th and 29 he said he started to head to the sidelines but remembered what Ray Ray told him and got it done! The run is back and I saw HOLES but you gotta run up the score like a college team and not stopping! Keep hitting Pitta Gilmore and the others but do not throw sideline plays throw up field and Triple " S " or Wallace can rip the lid off a couple times also! We are rite there because I can count the number of points we lost in two games on one hand! I WANT MY GUNSLINGER BACK! PERIOD! Like Jamie Foxx on Any Given Sunday 'Sling that Rock"! Lol LETS GO!

What you say has merit but the Raiders and the Redskins were playing a lot of cover 2 with safety help over the top; they were comfortable giving us the 5 yard dinks and taking away Wallace and Perriman.  Those guys CANNOT continue to be just deep threats, there is intermediate crossing/slant routes they can run and should be able to get YAC's with.  When defenses know these two guys only go deep then play press man and keep your safety back for help - that's the formula to shutting down our passing game, especially when #89 is on the sideline...

[mearzunkies]

Face it, If Mosley just sits down after that pic, Baltimore wins that game....

[CaliRavenFan]

14 minutes ago, mearzunkies said:

Face it, If Mosley just sits down after that pic, Baltimore wins that game....

If we had a Offense that any of us felt like they would of scored a TD from there he would of ran out of bounds instead of trying to make the crucial play that our Offense couldnt do so many times. I put no blame on CJ and actually feel bad for the guy because nobody puts more blame on him for that mistake than himself. He will bounce back and continue to make great plays for us every week and im hoping I will be able to say the same thing about our Offense.

[CaliRavenFan]

4 hours ago, ibleedpurpleandblack said:

What you say has merit but the Raiders and the Redskins were playing a lot of cover 2 with safety help over the top; they were comfortable giving us the 5 yard dinks and taking away Wallace and Perriman.  Those guys CANNOT continue to be just deep threats, there is intermediate crossing/slant routes they can run and should be able to get YAC's with.  When defenses know these two guys only go deep then play press man and keep your safety back for help - that's the formula to shutting down our passing game, especially when #89 is on the sideline...

I read that they will have more options on a route than just sticking to it no matter what. I am excited but nervous for this at the same time because it could work great at times being able to find soft spots in zones and really just the freedom of making something happen. However it could also lead to more INTs if Flacco and whoever he is throwing the ball to are not on the same page. I honestly dont see it happening a lot except with Smitty and Pitta, Wallace and Perriman still have to develop that chemisty with Flacco. I expect that to happen during our bye week preparing for the Steelers, we have to be together as a team when that game comes because it will give us the confidence to battle through the rest of our schedule.