[News] What Changes Will Be Made Under Marty Mornhinweg?

[Purple Dawg 96]

2 hours ago, Saxxin said:

They have a new OC. Haven't played a game since they named him. People already fussing. Here's an idea. Let's WAIT for at least one game then complain. How that sound? Sounds fair to me. How about you?

Lol I'm with you! Some people like driving a salt truck in July! Smh

[respecttheRaven]

42 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

It is NOT Harbaugh's job to give us insight into every little part of his plan. That's all I ever here on this site is sarcastic people saying how the coach keeps repeating the same thing, or he he's generic, or too broad, but name one coach who says more than the general concept they're trying to establish or want he team to accomplish. He's not supposed to run his moth and talk about specific details. Yea he says we have to get better, and he says it a lot, yea...he has an idea of how we are going to get better, and that will be shared with players and coaches, it's not supposed to be shared with us. What successful coaches explain or tell more than they have to or don't repeat general statements.

I so agree with you!!! Just look at some of B. Belichick's interview's. The guy barely says a word!!! You would be hard-pressed to get any answers from him!!

[law215]

sounds great but how is all that done with a o-line thats shaky and your top receivers hurt,the one thats not can't get open alot,when he does he can't catch the ball and hasn't learned how to toe tap,he'll be a third rate receiver for us just like all the rest of OZZIES receiver picks.

It's funny how fans expects more from a Perriman than a 9 year vet QB. The ball was thrown high and outside. It would have been a great play if he made the catch and got both feet in. A lot of receivers in the league would not have been able to make that play. That hardly makes him a bust at this point. Torrey would have watched the ball go over his head.

How about the QB that can't put more than 10 points on the board against that sorry defense?

Why can't Joe audible at the line and throw the ball more than 5 yards per attempt?

Not that I did not want Trestman gone, but Joe is turning into an OC killer. That 5 in 9 years.

[law215]

  3 hours ago, surfdude said:

This team is stale. I like Harbs, but even I a fan that hears him say the same thing EVERY week I'm tired of it I know the team has to be tired of it as well. The rebuild should have started this season now the Ravens will lose a year. Fire everyone except Decoasta promote him and get rid of all of them its time Steve. I live in California and didn't buy the NFL package after last year.

Typical knee jerk reaction. Fire everyone. Brilliant deduction Holmes.

They should have offered Kubiak the head coaching job instead of letting him walk. He got more production out of your franchise player than anyone.

Now you have Harbs who is not an X and Os coach so you need to fire a guy instead of a head coach that can simply tell his OC to keep running the ball.

If Ravens want to see another championship, they need to move beyond Harbs. His best seasons were with Ray, Reed, Boldin, Leach, Birk, Mason,Magahee)

Strong vets and leaders that would have walked up to him during that game and said, "Run the Darn Ball !" , "Take the points!", "Fake FG.. Are you nuts!"

Harbs surrounded himself with yes men. That's not strong leadership

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

58 minutes ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

The Raiders were playing zone coverage - Aiken found a small spot in the zone between the 3 defenders and Flacco delivered right on the numbers. Aiken was open and Joe made the throw. He dropped it, period.

Agreed everything you said was Nothing but FACT!!!

Edited October 12, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[CQ1]

Permian has tweeted that he has "got to get better". Excuse me, but, you have to be good first. Dropping and missing balls in numerous games, doesn't cut the mustard. Trestman was / is not the only issue. Lets keep that kitchen nice and toasty.......

[surfdude]

  5 hours ago, surfdude said:

This team is stale. I like Harbs, but even I a fan that hears him say the same thing EVERY week I'm tired of it I know the team has to be tired of it as well. The rebuild should have started this season now the Ravens will lose a year. Fire everyone except Decoasta promote him and get rid of all of them its time Steve. I live in California and didn't buy the NFL package after last year.

Typical knee jerk reaction. Fire everyone. Brilliant deduction Holmes.

No knee jerk, just calling it like I see it. The draft has been a miss last few seasons, team has been a miss since 2012 run, team has been flat since the SB. Holmes.

[bigcatfrank1]

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

This is why Eli has the same amount of rings that Peyton does....stats are only stats....The team must earn the win and the rings.

[bigcatfrank1]

if HARB'S knows how to call a game why can't he do it? and if he knew the problem the whole time he should of took over during the game instead of letting us embarrace ourselves at home again.

So why not fire all the coaches..

[bigcatfrank1]

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

absolutely!

[Purple Dawg 96]

Permian has tweeted that he has "got to get better". Excuse me, but, you have to be good first. Dropping and missing balls in numerous games, doesn't cut the mustard. Trestman was / is not the only issue. Lets keep that kitchen nice and toasty.......

What else is he gonna say! You gotta keep going to these kids so they can adapt! I Watch Big Ben go to moates several times Sunday and moates dropped alot of balls until he got it together but Ben didn't give on him so what makes Perriman any different! Smh he got thrown in a game and couldn't drop any passes smh this why you gotta get these kids going and running up the middle isn't gonna get them hot!

[designermaryland]

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

how is every other qb in the league able to throw intermediate to deep throws, but flacco cannot? surely there are not 31 great offensive lines giving everyone perfect protection and we are the only team not. we are leading the league in pass attempts or at the top. flacco just has no awareness or escapability to find a dead spot when rush is oncoming, like every other qb. he has never had that quality which is why he fumbles a lot when he is sacked. he throws some excellent passes, but more often lately he is bailing out and throwing inaccurately and it is not just because there is pressure, but that he cannot escape or evade it. that is a flacco problem.

[Tatt P]

I'm ready! Mornhingweg has worked with Flacco for more than a year now and knows how Joe operates. He also knows what didn't work under Trestman. I think we'll see the desired results on Sunday and just get better moving on. The BYE will also be good to take a look at the Offense after two games.

[RavensBaltimore]

  9 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

how is every other qb in the league able to throw intermediate to deep throws, but flacco cannot? surely there are not 31 great offensive lines giving everyone perfect protection and we are the only team not. we are leading the league in pass attempts or at the top. flacco just has no awareness or escapability to find a dead spot when rush is oncoming, like every other qb. he has never had that quality which is why he fumbles a lot when he is sacked. he throws some excellent passes, but more often lately he is bailing out and throwing inaccurately and it is not just because there is pressure, but that he cannot escape or evade it. that is a flacco problem.

I don't think anything you said here is remotely accurate. Flacco is one of the best intermediate/deep throwers in the league. "Every other QB in the league" doesn't consistently complete passes down field with no time to throw and wrs who can't get open or catch. In fact, none of them do. Did you see Brady when his o-line was struggling and Gronk wasn't healthy? He was literally one of the worst QBs in the league, even though he had Edelman, who can get quick separation. Flacco has no one who can do that. You are also dead wrong about Flacco's pocket presence and awareness. Aaron Rodgers fumbled as many times in one game as Joe did has all season. Flacco is leading the league in pass attempts and gets pressured and hit more than just about anyone, yet there are other QBs that are fumbling and getting sacked more than he is. Even one of the CBS broadcasters mentioned how great Joe was at avoiding sacks. He is avoiding the pressure when he can, and he usually protects the ball, but you want your QBs eyes down field, and when you have an o-line like we do, anybody would get caught with an unexpected shot from time to time. If Joe didn't have great awareness, he would probably lead the league in sacks taken, because the line has been that bad. Despite all that, Flacco's stats throwing the ball down field would still be pretty good if the wrs would catch the perfectly thrown passes that hit them in the hands.

[DENNYK]

Flacco needs to be a more aggressive player and take charge of the offense when he see plays being called by the OC are not working, Great QB's have the ability and the guts to do that. Many come to mind when I think of this talent. Joe sticks with the game plan even when he knows that it is a futile effort and that is on him as I see it. He needs to step up now more than ever. He is the field general on offense and it falls on him as much as it does on the OC. On another note. The O line faces the top rated D every day in practice. They obviously cannot move the ball on that group. They are not able to move it against lesser rated Defenses and our losses are proof of that fact. When they discover this in game situations it is almost to late to get it corrected if it is at all possible. That needs immediate attention if they are going to improve and correct the offensive game plan. It's a lot more involved than just replacing an OC. We have been down this road several times now and keep finding ourselves right back in the same situation time and again.

[DENNYK]

The RAVENS used to be able to play catch-up football with great success. They had the talent then. We have been told that we have the talent now as well. Yet, on Sundays we see different. Way to many dropped balls as well as those that seem to be overthrown. Receivers seem to be more focused on YAC than on just seeing the ball into their hands before making the next move. This is fundamental and is taught and learned at the Pop Warner level. Maybe our WR and TE coaches needs to get back to that level with some of our guys. It looks that way to this spectator.

[20306cab]

  5 hours ago, designermaryland said:

  14 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

how is every other qb in the league able to throw intermediate to deep throws, but flacco cannot? surely there are not 31 great offensive lines giving everyone perfect protection and we are the only team not. we are leading the league in pass attempts or at the top. flacco just has no awareness or escapability to find a dead spot when rush is oncoming, like every other qb. he has never had that quality which is why he fumbles a lot when he is sacked. he throws some excellent passes, but more often lately he is bailing out and throwing inaccurately and it is not just because there is pressure, but that he cannot escape or evade it. that is a flacco problem.

I don't think anything you said here is remotely accurate. Flacco is one of the best intermediate/deep throwers in the league. "Every other QB in the league" doesn't consistently complete passes down field with no time to throw and wrs who can't get open or catch. In fact, none of them do. Did you see Brady when his o-line was struggling and Gronk wasn't healthy? He was literally one of the worst QBs in the league, even though he had Edelman, who can get quick separation. Flacco has no one who can do that. You are also dead wrong about Flacco's pocket presence and awareness. Aaron Rodgers fumbled as many times in one game as Joe did has all season. Flacco is leading the league in pass attempts and gets pressured and hit more than just about anyone, yet there are other QBs that are fumbling and getting sacked more than he is. Even one of the CBS broadcasters mentioned how great Joe was at avoiding sacks. He is avoiding the pressure when he can, and he usually protects the ball, but you want your QBs eyes down field, and when you have an o-line like we do, anybody would get caught with an unexpected shot from time to time. If Joe didn't have great awareness, he would probably lead the league in sacks taken, because the line has been that bad. Despite all that, Flacco's stats throwing the ball down field would still be pretty good if the wrs would catch the perfectly thrown passes that hit them in the hands.

The excuse machine rolls on. Nothing you said here is a fact. To even compare Far Below Average Joe to Brady or Rodgers is ridiculous. Run along and mix up your next batch of grape Kool Aid.

[BigUgly]

Mornhinweg wasn't a very effective QB coach, as Flacco his clearly digressed since Kubiak left in terms of his mechanics and pocket awareness. Let's hope he can at least improve the formations, scheme and play selection, and enable Joe to have broader latitude to audible

This still is on Harbs. He supposedly had doubts about his hire, Trestman in the offseason but did nothing about it. When asked if Marty would take more shots downfield, Harbs said "I hope so". You hope so?! You'd better know so. You failed to step in with Trestman in the offseason or during the last two losses and now you are relying on hope?

[Obie]

I've always wondered, when your starting pitcher isn't having a good day, he gets taken out, but when a qb sucks, we're stuck with him for 4-5 games before he gets replaced? If your backup qb isn't ready, why is he on the team?

[harfordravenfan]

22 minutes ago, Obie said:

I've always wondered, when your starting pitcher isn't having a good day, he gets taken out, but when a qb sucks, we're stuck with him for 4-5 games before he gets replaced? If your backup qb isn't ready, why is he on the team?

Just not enough quality starting QBs out there and they rarely get 1st team snaps therefore don't have chemistry with other starters is my quess

[Purple Dawg 96]

I've always wondered, when your starting pitcher isn't having a good day, he gets taken out, but when a qb sucks, we're stuck with him for 4-5 games before he gets replaced? If your backup qb isn't ready, why is he on the team?

Mallet is ready but he will never get a chance just like Tyrod! The Ravens started Joe with his leg wrapped up against the pats and was a sitting duck and the Ravens didn't give Tyrod a shot and he was healthy smh! Something I still hold against them it's like Joe is Tony Romo they will never take him out unless of course God forbid he gets seriously hurt and we all don't want that but like I said numerous times "Mallet beat the hottest team in football with backups"! I like Joe but lately he isn't cutting it and blaming the O line is getting old! Hopefully things will get better now HOPEFULLY!

[WordProphet]

There's nothing wrong with relying on hope, relying on hope is a good thing, but you rely on hope after you've tried everything else that you can try, and there is nothing else to try but to rely on hope, because you better rely on something when the beat down seems to be coming your way!!! But to hold the head coach position is not a position of "I Hope So!" But one of leadership, "Yes We Can!" Where you have to be aggressive and not passive to win games!!! By the way, "I Hope So" is a very poor answer coming from a head coach or manager of any sports team, for you are the one in charge and you have to say more and do more than to just say, "I Hope So!" What you should have said was "He Better!" That sounds more like you're in control as the leader of the pack, the coach, and if you can't maybe you're not the one to be head coach!!!

[jar2260]

We are still in trouble, we still have the same OL, they need to block, open holes, and not make a lot of stupid mistakes! No OB, or team will win if they can't do at least two of those things!
I was watching the Patriots game, pretty boy can stand back there and have lunch while looking for receivers, at the same time Joe is running for his life!
We need additional help in the line, or better schemes!

[Rav'n Maniac]

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

I find it difficult to understand why you are constantly ragging on Perriman considering he has played in only 5 games on a limited basis. Unless your expectations of him were too high to begin with. He is still just a rookie.

I suggest you relax a little and breeze through this article when you get a chance.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2006/too-deep-zone-jerry-rice-rookie-bust

[WordProphet]

Since Flacco said he wants to be more aggressive, then whoever is holding him back, needs to let him go and let him do what needs to be done, for if a play is not working it needs to be changed right there on the field and not do it on the next play and the only one who would know that is Flacco!!! The name of the game is win baby just win, and not lose baby just lose, if the team wins everybody gets noticed, but if you lose you get noticed too!!! So let Flacco go and lets see what he can really do and if he can't then we'll know that too, remember, we're suppose to be top feeders and not bottom feeders, let Flacco loose!!!

[WordProphet]

Flacco needs to be a more aggressive player and take charge of the offense when he see plays being called by the OC are not working, Great QB's have the ability and the guts to do that. Many come to mind when I think of this talent. Joe sticks with the game plan even when he knows that it is a futile effort and that is on him as I see it. He needs to step up now more than ever. He is the field general on offense and it falls on him as much as it does on the OC. On another note. The O line faces the top rated D every day in practice. They obviously cannot move the ball on that group. They are not able to move it against lesser rated Defenses and our losses are proof of that fact. When they discover this in game situations it is almost to late to get it corrected if it is at all possible. That needs immediate attention if they are going to improve and correct the offensive game plan. It's a lot more involved than just replacing an OC. We have been down this road several times now and keep finding ourselves right back in the same situation time and again.

That's because they have the same OC!!!

[Rav'n Maniac]

funny how they show a picture of marty and brett,didn't he throw more picks than a white picket fence?

LOL True he did throw some picks but he's also 2nd, all time with over 70,000 passing yards and a Hall of Famer. Maybe that's why they chose the picture.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

Harbaugh said part of the reason for so many check-downs is that defenses are dropping in coverage to give up the underneath pass. But even with that, the Ravens have to take shots and find holes in the defense’s coverage. They can’t allow the defense to completely dictate their passing game.

^^^meaning our receivers are not beating the coverage and finding ways to get open. The only one who consistently is able to do so is Smith Sr and when he went out our passing game went out with him...Receivers coach needs to do a better job getting these guys prepared and making in game changes!!!

[fusuymada]

I am in the process of going back on NFL's Game Pass and looking at the 2013-2014 Jets, which was the last place Marty was OC at before coming to the Ravens. He had Ivory and Bilal Powel in the backfield with Santonio Holmes, Kerley and a couple other unknowns at wide receiver with Geno Smith as QB. In what I have seen, I have seen a play caller who is much better at utilizing the run and throwing down the field. I think in the first four games I watched so far, there were just a handful of times that Smith checked down and threw short of the sticks. Its not so much calling run, pass or whatever, it is when he utilized each part. First thing I noticed was with Trestman you could almost tell exactly what he was doing from the formation, with Marty, I was constantly guessing. Smith is a comparable QB to Flacco and in the first four games I watched, I saw a system that looks to fit Flacco well. Once again with Trestman, what he did may have suited Cutler but Joe Flacco isn't Jay Cutler. First thing different is Joe wins, Cutler is more about stats. Second is that Marty's play calling suits Flacco. I don't care if we have a pro-bowl QB like some others. I don't care if we have a great #1 receiver, or a superstar running back, I just want to win. I think with the talent Marty has and with the defense we have, we will do well. One other point, we talk about how bad the punt coverage has been but if you score touchdown and kick field goals you don't have to worry about punt coverage. Just saying.

[Rav'n Maniac]

The run has to set up the pass. You run until it draws 7-8 into the box and then you pass off play action. If they can't stop the run, you keep on running until they do. That's how defenses get worn down and allow you the big plays.

Also, when running you constantly send your receivers deep, rotating fresh receivers in every play. Again to wear down the DB's.