[News] What Changes Will Be Made Under Marty Mornhinweg?

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Head Coach John Harbaugh said the Ravens want to push the ball downfield, do a better job of exploiting matchups and run the ball more. New Offensive Coordinator Marty Mornhinweg will make some tweaks, but will keep the same system and terminology.

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[whobilly]

I'll reserve judgement until November 6th at approx. 4:00 PM

[mch243]

Normally I'd be more reluctant to expect  big results from a mid season coaching change but in this case it was almost as if Trestman was trying to get fired. The past 2 games I watched pass after pass go nowhere and he completely abandoned the run game when it was having success. I truly feel a more balanced approach in the same system will yield an offense that can win games with our defense.

I disagree with the excuse we threw it 45-50 times because we were down. Both games were close. These weren't games where we were down by 3 scores and needed to get fast points. Also that would require throwing down field.

I also feel like the deep passes and play action will be much more effective if we keep teams honest. Teams knew we were passing so the play action was basically useless.

This situation was more than fans coaching from the couch. The players saw what was happening as well. Lets hope they go out and prove it so we can get back to winning football games.

Edited October 11, 2016 by mch243

[coreyadams]

Joe Flacco needs to start playing like a veteran. The offense is a direct reflection of him at times. No comment

[ravens4life86]

Things better change or everyone can get the boot.
Return to Balance offense. Run the dang ball 25-30x a game to 35 passes.

And yes get more chunk, explosive plays down field exploiting mismatches.

All eyes on Marty now.. no more 50 passes a game

[TheConquerorWorm]

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

[mch243]

Things better change or everyone can get the boot.
Return to Balance offense. Run the dang ball 25-30x a game to 35 passes.

And yes get more chunk, explosive plays down field exploiting mismatches.

All eyes on Marty now.. no more 50 passes a game

Agreed. Ravens have always been physical. Joe can be pretty good when we need a play late in a game but he's never won throwing 50 times a game.

[Fastynart]

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

[Space11jams]

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

We'll the team was dismantled last year so you couldn't do it then. We won the first 3 games so he probably did want to do it at that time either. The last two games was lost because of the offense failing to move the ball effectively when we had both chances to close out the game. We literally gave the skins and raiders the game both weeks on offense. That was the kicker.

[The Greek]

there is nothing wrong with trestmans playbook. the problem as we all know was the play selection at certain times and he had no flow in his game plan and no rhythm in calling a game but again i will say that it is not all on him. cannot miss open receivers, cannot drop balls, cannot commit stupid drive stalling penalties and the o-line must do its job. i know they are banged up on the o-line but this is the roster that ozzie and co. drafted and brought in so blame can also be placed on them. they have had some crappy drafts lately. the steelers have stars on their offense in ben, bell, brown while we have flacco and retreads at receiver. perriman, west, dixon are? as to what they will become. pitt and new englands offenses are scary and we will need to sustain long drives and put up points to keep up. mornhinweg deserves a chance but it will take a collective effort from everyone on offense to succeed.

Edited October 11, 2016 by The Greek

[mch243]

  2 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

We'll the team was dismantled last year so you couldn't do it then. We won the first 3 games so he probably did want to do it at that time either. The last two games was lost because of the offense failing to move the ball effectively when we had both chances to close out the game. We literally gave the skins and raiders the game both weeks on offense. That was the kicker.

Joe doesn't have enough time to pass because teams know what is coming. Go back to Skins game and watch those blocks in the running game. Our offensive line was pushing them back no problem and opening lanes to run. We were 3-1 and Harbaugh was probably hoping Trestman would adjust his style and after the loss realized it's not happening. Joe's not perfect but he is a Superbowl winning QB and has won a lot of games against the Steelers and Patriots during his time here. Trestman was almost trying to get fired so he could get more money. Wasn't a fit here since day one.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Oh, baloney. You can bet this wasn't Harbaugh's decision. If it was, why did it take so long to realize that his offense was stinking up the place? Changing the offensive coordinator may or may not be effective, because the line is still a problem and the receivers who can't get open and when they do, drop passes, are still problems. Joe will always be Joe, an inconsistent quarterback, who one moment is brilliant and the next is bordering on awful. He is what he is, not a Tom Brady, who can take charge and win a game. He needs the supporting cast to be successful, and the Ravens haven't provided it. Their drafts have produced nothing to protect him, and wasting top picks on the likes of Elam and Perriman. You can't do that and be successful.

Good. Then you get Brady who cheats to win if you like him so much. Funny how productive and successful we have been since Joe has been our QB. If you want to gripe about anything pick on someone else. Joe is not perfect but he is a lot better then what is or was available. Give up if you want but I for one will not. The Ravens will not either.

[surfdude]

This team is stale. I like Harbs, but even I a fan that hears him say the same thing EVERY week I'm tired of it I know the team has to be tired of it as well. The rebuild should have started this season now the Ravens will lose a year. Fire everyone except Decoasta promote him and get rid of all of them its time Steve. I live in California and didn't buy the NFL package after last year.

[Minionhunter]

I just looked it up, Mornhinweg followed Trestman as OC in SF just like he followed him here (no idea if he was the qb coach in SF).

[Steve32]

This team is stale. I like Harbs, but even I a fan that hears him say the same thing EVERY week I'm tired of it I know the team has to be tired of it as well. The rebuild should have started this season now the Ravens will lose a year. Fire everyone except Decoasta promote him and get rid of all of them its time Steve. I live in California and didn't buy the NFL package after last year.

Typical knee jerk reaction. Fire everyone. Brilliant deduction Holmes.

[stixfix69]

Not really sure it takes a rocket scientist, but West is running like a starting running back, and Harbs saying he likes how the others are running is somewhat of a joke....Obviously you could tell Dixon was very hesitant, and not trusting that knee, as he really made no cuts like he did in camp, hopefully it is just rust, but he looked very rusty....But West cut backs have been great, he explodes through the holes, he just needs to be named the starting work horse RB....Back to back solid games.....

[dirtybird66]

sounds great but how is all that done with a o-line thats shaky and your top receivers hurt,the one thats not can't get open alot,when he does he can't catch the ball and hasn't learned how to toe tap,he'll be a third rate receiver for us just like all the rest of OZZIES receiver picks.

[dirtybird66]

funny how they show a picture of marty and brett,didn't he throw more picks than a white picket fence?

[dirtybird66]

seemed to me that tresstman was begging for an early retirment,hey guys were runnin really good lets go away from that ok? what was harbs doing while all these passes started going through the air? sure,whatever you say your the oc!

[dirtybird66]

if HARB'S knows how to call a game why can't he do it? and if he knew the problem the whole time he should of took over during the game instead of letting us embarrace ourselves at home again.

[dirtybird66]

i feel they go with guys too long even with repeated mistakes,PERRIMANS done nothing all year to live up to the hype he promised the fans,remember,he's another bust they don't want to acknowlege.

[Purple Dawg 96]

I saw alot of positives Sunday and the O line isn't to blame Joe was hitting his TEs down field I just hate 5yd passes sideways instead of up field! Ray Lewis #1 rule he told Ray Rice to ALWAYS ALWAYS head up field like Double R did on 4th and 29 he said he started to head to the sidelines but remembered what Ray Ray told him and got it done! The run is back and I saw HOLES but you gotta run up the score like a college team and not stopping! Keep hitting Pitta Gilmore and the others but do not throw sideline plays throw up field and Triple " S " or Wallace can rip the lid off a couple times also! We are rite there because I can count the number of points we lost in two games on one hand! I WANT MY GUNSLINGER BACK! PERIOD! Like Jamie Foxx on Any Given Sunday 'Sling that Rock"! Lol LETS GO!

[Purple Dawg 96]

Perriman was cold and plays like that gotta be done on 1st down so if a WR drops it he can rebound and get himself together and make the next catch! Too much pressure to catch a pass on 3rd down when you can throw on 1st and 2nd! Let's open up a can on them giants!

[designermaryland]

so basically, the same exact thing you have been saying every week since forever Harbs. Thanks for the insight. Run it more, and go deep. How about a pass play that is not a sideline pattern or TE seam route? Some more diverse running calls than the stretch? Open the playbook beyond the 12 standard plays you run over and over and maybe the D would not be able to predict it.

[Saxxin]

They have a new OC. Haven't played a game since they named him. People already fussing. Here's an idea. Let's WAIT for at least one game then complain. How that sound? Sounds fair to me. How about you?

[CaliRavenFan]

3 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

Aiken had 3 guys on him with that catch, Joe simply should of thrown somewhere else but in situations like that he tends to already have his mind set on who he is throwing the ball too before the ball is even snapped.

I blame the NCAA for even allowing 1 foot down to be ruled a catch, thats when most guys are learning the most and gaining that muscle memory. If they changed it to 2 feet down like every other level then you would see a lot more younger WRs making those catches. Perriman is still very young and will make a lot of spectacular catches for us throughout his career.

[CaliRavenFan]

2 hours ago, Saxxin said:

They have a new OC. Haven't played a game since they named him. People already fussing. Here's an idea. Let's WAIT for at least one game then complain. How that sound? Sounds fair to me. How about you?

Just imagine living with those people ?? 

[cbrook1862]

It is NOT Harbaugh's job to give us insight into every little part of his plan. That's all I ever here on this site is sarcastic people saying how the coach keeps repeating the same thing, or he he's generic, or too broad, but name one coach who says more than the general concept they're trying to establish or want he team to accomplish. He's not supposed to run his moth and talk about specific details. Yea he says we have to get better, and he says it a lot, yea...he has an idea of how we are going to get better, and that will be shared with players and coaches, it's not supposed to be shared with us. What successful coaches explain or tell more than they have to or don't repeat general statements.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It's good he is going to keep the same terminology but tweak the plays a little. I think if Marty just calls plays that enhance and bring out the players strengths everything will fall into place. So far 2 changes have been made to the offense With both Forsett being released and Trestman being let go. I think the message has been sent now time will tell on how the team responds.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, TheConquerorWorm said:

"He is going to have to put his foot in the ground and drive the ball to some guys, and some guys are going to have to make the catches.”

This is the struggle of the entire offense. Joe can't put his plant foot in the ground when the defenders are collapsing the pocket and he's being pushed backwards. And Aiken, Wallace & Perriman are dropping too many balls. Aiken catches that ball against Oakland and Tucker kicks the winning FG. Perriman gets his feet down or Wallace makes that catch and maybe that's a win as well. Winners make plays.

Aiken had 3 guys on him with that catch, Joe simply should of thrown somewhere else but in situations like that he tends to already have his mind set on who he is throwing the ball too before the ball is even snapped.

I blame the NCAA for even allowing 1 foot down to be ruled a catch, thats when most guys are learning the most and gaining that muscle memory. If they changed it to 2 feet down like every other level then you would see a lot more younger WRs making those catches. Perriman is still very young and will make a lot of spectacular catches for us throughout his career.

The Raiders were playing zone coverage - Aiken found a small spot in the zone between the 3 defenders and Flacco delivered right on the numbers. Aiken was open and Joe made the throw. He dropped it, period.