[News] Late For Work 10/11: Five Things You Need To Know About Marc Trestman's Dismissal

[FloridalovesRavens]

@Sarah Ellison How much did you get paid to bury us in nonsense. The main problem is Harbaugh and has been since he arrived, we'll see won't we. Will you be writing these fluff articles then.

Don't know where you have been but Harbaughs record speaks for itself. The Ravens could do a whole lot worse.

[MTRavensFan]

29 minutes ago, Raven1995 said:

Don't agree on Trestman, but Ozzie should of got a veteran Lineman to help when injuries occur.

I think we just did that. Ducasse.

[EwholoJeroro]

  1 hour ago, EwholoJeroro said:

How many playoff games has Harbaugh been to since the Superbowl win? The answer is 1. The problem is the Head Coach. I am not calling for his job however. I just want some power taken from him and more given to the offensive and defensive coordinators because he is not an X and O coach. He has no feel for the game. He will make a good team manager but as an NFL football coach, I think we got the wrong Harbaugh. John is a politician. He says the right thing and smiles in the faces of us fans. He has deep ties to the Baltimore community.. and all that is good but we need a football coach.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of us the fans.

Give me examples that he was making his calls on defense and offense??

All of his OC or DC made all the calls on their owns and history speak for itself.

If you are saying John making all the calls, the year when Kubiak was here I guess John did an excellent jobs for making all good play calls and schemes....lol

Also, you are saying that you only count his track record after his SB win? /scroll eyes..

You statement is really insult to football fans' intelligence.....

Kubiak was hired by the front office. That was not a Harbaugh decision and everyone know that.

Camron was a bust, Mattison was a bust, Pees is no genius, Tresman.. well,.. you know.

I count the record after the SB win because he let go of all the leaders on the team after the SB and has only had one winning season since, Player that questioned his decision making like Boldin and Reed were let go.

Settle for mediocre if you want.. others want better for the team.

[bioLarzen]

"But if the switch to Mornhinweg doesn’t produce tangible improvement, then Trestman is just a fall guy for deeper issues."

Sorry, but this is plain bad logic from Mr. Brown. That th replacement doesn't work doesn't automatically men the problem was misdiagnosed. If I have a punctured tyre and try to replace it with a brick, the ensuing failure doesn't indicate that the problem wasn't the tyre...

[bioLarzen]

Where Kubiak seemed to be far, far better than Trestman was that he seemed to be able and ready to come up with an instant reaction to ANYTHING that happened on the field and to the roster. We can all remember how he was made fun of for that enormous play chart he held at the sideline. Well, maybe that's one of the keys of success: an enormous pool of plays and calls. Your starting QB goes down? OK, we'll do this and that. Your O-liner doesn't protect the QB? OK, let's do this and that. Your top two RB's are off the board? OK, let's try this and that. You are down to your last two receivers? OK, let's try this... Your QB is down, your O-line doesn't function, your starting caliber RB's are off the board and you're down to your last two receivers? OK, let's play this and that... He seemed - and seems - to have a play, a scheme for EVERYTHING. Heck, you felt that if the janitor had to play at QB, he'd still come up with a play concocted exactly for that scenario...

Edited October 11, 2016 by bioLarzen

[harfordravenfan]

1 hour ago, budman said:

But don't forget that a lot of people on here could be a Coordinator, Head Coach or GM ...no problem..lol

So true

I know my limitations... I'd be the water guy lol

[TheConquerorWorm]

Anyone who thinks it's as simple as running more and throwing deep more is wrong. Other than at times against a couple of the league's worst run defenses, our run game has been awful. If the o-line doesn't improve, running more will do nothing but put us in more 3rd and longs.

As far as throwing deep more, our receivers need to get some separation(and catch the ball when it hits them in the hands), and our line needs to give Joe enough time to let his receivers get down field, and right now, neither is happening.

I agree. People want to hype this offense but really what do we have? No Julio Jones, no Mike Evans, no Antonio Brown like WR's. We have a 37 year old WR (SSS who's a beast but he's 37), we have a one trick speedster that's been let go by 3 teams (Wallace), a rookie (Perriman) and a undrafted FA (Aiken). We have a decent TE (Pitta) that has had 2 major hip surgeries. We have a fumble prone RB in West on his 3rd team. Not exactly a top talented offense.

This is not Brown, Bell, Ben. It's not Rodgers, Jordy, Cobb, Lacy. It's not Dak, Zeke, Dez. It's not Brady, Blount, Edelman, Gronk. It's not Carr, Murray, Amari, Crabtree. Yes, it's better than what we had last year but don't kid yourself, this is not a 30 point offense. I don't care if Vince Lombardi & Bill Walsh are calling plays. Our WRs (outside of SSS) CAN'T get open against 1 on 1 coverage. Our O-line has been horrible since Stanley went out - can't pass block, can't run block.

This offense is pretty easy to scheme against. I play press coverage because the WR can't get open against my CB's (also takes away the runs to the outside and the screen passes). I play safeties back and roll coverage to whoever is going deep (takes away any downfield passes). I keep my LB's in the box to stop the run and to blitz (Stops the run, takes away underneath passes). All that's left is checkdowns to the full back or TE for 5 or 6 yards - Sound familiar? I don't care what play you call, your personnel can't execute because they can't get open.

Not saying we can't win because we can. But with this personnel, it's gonna take mistake free football (no turnovers, no dropped passes) and will never put up 30 per game. Not until we get a legit #1 WR and a game-breaking RB.

[budman]

Just now, harfordravenfan said:

So true

I know my limitations... I'd be the water guy lol

Yep. I would deflate the footballs for Flacco.. Lol

[cobrajet]

If Stanley, Wagner, SSS, and Mosley are out for a while this team could be in trouble. I wonder if it had to be pointed out that the decision to fire Trestman was entirely Harbaugh's means that firing Cam was not. If not, then why even bring it up?

[eze17]

  3 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

Of course it was Harbaughs decision. He should be extremely worried about his job, and it is only a matter of time before fans start screaming for his replacement. All I know is that losing back to back games at home is extremely uncharacteristic of the Ravens and should be looked at with real concern. I haven't really looked at Harbaugh with great optimism since Ed and Ray left etc. Those were the players that helped save Harbaughs butt many times and since they have left, so has Harbaughs winning record aside from one season.

Nobody cares what fans are screaming for. Fans scream for players to be benched after one bad play.

As Bill Parcells said, if you start listening to fans, you'll be sitting with the fans.

Fans don't determine who gets fired and who doesn't. They are fodder. They don't have that kind of power.

Thank you, well said. I especially like the Parcell's quote.

[dirtybird66]

trestmanns offenses have always produced big fantasy numbers but never many points,just like the BEARS,just like every stop he's made,pretty much,but iv'e said over and over PERRIMAN gets little seperation on any route thats not a straight line,MOORE will prove if given a real chance to be a much MOORE productive receiver,if they do keep PERRIMAN,make him do what you brought him here for,run as fast as he can on every play down the sideline and open it up for everybody else.

[eze17]

trestmanns offenses have always produced big fantasy numbers but never many points,just like the BEARS,just like every stop he's made,pretty much,but iv'e said over and over PERRIMAN gets little seperation on any route thats not a straight line,MOORE will prove if given a real chance to be a much MOORE productive receiver,if they do keep PERRIMAN,make him do what you brought him here for,run as fast as he can on every play down the sideline and open it up for everybody else.

I like the pun, and think you have an excellent point. I am by no means ready to give up on Perriman, I think the kid still has a decent chance of being a nice player, but as you say, he seems more of a deep speed WR, not so great on precision routes or touch plays in the end zone. I agree that Moore may be better equipped to handle slants and fades and pretty much any route where hands are as important as speed. Worth giving him a chance, in any case.

[fusuymada]

So much to discuss on a lot of different points but I have had this same discussion with other people and listened to Cerrato today on the fan (good friend of Trestman) claiming that the issues aren't Trestman, the problem is Harbaugh and deep rooted. But they seem to have the narrow view of how things work.

First, lets start with the offensive line protecting Flacco which seems to be an issue that people distance the OC from and blame others for. In my mind, if the O-Line is a problem, you don't clear the backfield and tight ends and leave just 5 guys to protect Flacco. The catch in the middle of the game that Perriman should have caught and the one he did catch at the end that he didn't get his feet down was a max protect. Flacco hit Perriman on both those throws. Flacco had time, Flacco had good mechanics, Flacco was accurate, Perriman should have caught them. The OC is responsible for protection schemes when he designs plays. If you don't design protection into your plays then your not going to get any. Thats on the OC.

Second, its a little hard for Flacco to have good mechanics and step up when item number 1 isn't taken care of by the OC. Its amazing that Flacco won a super bowl MVP and was so successful under Kubiak but then all of a sudden, everything he did good just disappeared. Maybe its like that idiot Cerrato said that Harbaugh couldn't get a hold of Joe on Monday because he was with his kids and therefore Flacco is a bad QB and a bad teammate because he spent his off day with his kids instead of studying film. SMH. If he didn't say it I wouldn't believe it but you know, Joe spent time with his kids before and it had no effect on his mechanics. Once again protection and that is on your OC.

Last is playmakers. Luke Jones cites Wallace and other players as not stepping up and making plays, but if your plays are so vanilla and your formation are so simple, your not going to fool many people making it much harder for receivers to get open. We have more talent in skill positions than we have ever had yet they aren't as successful as a bunch of the people we had before that didn't even stick in the NFL. Bunch formations for receivers, crossing patterns, etc... None of these things did Trestman utilize. We never looked at match ups on the field and took advantage of mismatches, we just ran the same old plays over and over. Cerrato made the comment that under Trestman, Cutler, Forte, Jeffries, etc... had the 8th best offense in 2013 when he was HC of chicago and Cutler's stats were better than Flacco's. Where was Trestman in 2012, I know where Flacco was, in the Super Bowl. Did Chicago make the playoffs in 2013? No, so great job on the stats. Where was Trestman in 2014? Not in the playoffs because he was fired from Chicago. Where was Flacco in 2014? Back in the playoffs. I would much rather have a team that wins and gets in the playoffs, than one that has great stats and is so bad the HC gets fired.

For these reasons I think Trestman deserved to be fired, probably should have been last year. For those that think there are deeper issues, the Ravens expect an apology when it becomes evident that Trestman took a bunch of talent and completely wasted it because he was head strong and had tunnel vision and he was going to do it his way, regardless of how much the HC told him to change and regardless of how bad his offense actually was.

[Space11jams]

  3 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  5 hours ago, btfan2 said:

@Sarah Ellison How much did you get paid to bury us in nonsense. The main problem is Harbaugh and has been since he arrived, we'll see won't we. Will you be writing these fluff articles then.

How about...Are you a Ravens fan and been following all the games? How many playoffs games, regular season games Harbs bring us? including championship and Lombard trophy?

The main problem here is fan like you, knee jerk reaction for every single obstacle.....

 

@Sarah Ellison thank you for your LFW article and I am always looking forward into reading it every morning....

How many playoff games has Harbaugh been to since the Superbowl win? The answer is 1. The problem is the Head Coach. I am not calling for his job however. I just want some power taken from him and more given to the offensive and defensive coordinators because he is not an X and O coach. He has no feel for the game. He will make a good team manager but as an NFL football coach, I think we got the wrong Harbaugh. John is a politician. He says the right thing and smiles in the faces of us fans. He has deep ties to the Baltimore community.. and all that is good but we need a football coach.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of us the fans.

Are you kidding me right now? Last year we were hit with one of the biggest injury bugs in Ravens history. The year before we won the SB, was we not 1 FG kick away from moving on to the SB was it? Did we not lose 3 OC in two years of winning the SB? Now 4? Let me explain to you what a coach does. You can scream about knowing the X's and O's when it comes to play calling but if you can't motivate your guys, to do and play well as a HC, then you have no business being a coach. John has a vision and he shares his vision with the team. He allows coaches and players to be them selves and express themselves. He's a excellent motivator. That's his job. He keeps everything together, he's the glue. Have you not seen the many coaches that were fired because they lack that fire to rally a football team? Chip Kelly, Rex Ryan just to name a few guys. Why you think they stay in the media as terrible coaches but excellent X's and O's guys lol. Know the difference before you speculate. I'll take John ANY day over those guys because he's a leader. He has those guys believing they can pick up Thor's hammer with no problem. Give me that guy if he makes me feel that invincible as a player because that makes you play that much harder. Don't get me started, please lol.

[araveninwaconc]

  4 hours ago, EwholoJeroro said:

  4 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  5 hours ago, btfan2 said:

@Sarah Ellison How much did you get paid to bury us in nonsense. The main problem is Harbaugh and has been since he arrived, we'll see won't we. Will you be writing these fluff articles then.

How about...Are you a Ravens fan and been following all the games? How many playoffs games, regular season games Harbs bring us? including championship and Lombard trophy?

The main problem here is fan like you, knee jerk reaction for every single obstacle.....

 

@Sarah Ellison thank you for your LFW article and I am always looking forward into reading it every morning....

How many playoff games has Harbaugh been to since the Superbowl win? The answer is 1. The problem is the Head Coach. I am not calling for his job however. I just want some power taken from him and more given to the offensive and defensive coordinators because he is not an X and O coach. He has no feel for the game. He will make a good team manager but as an NFL football coach, I think we got the wrong Harbaugh. John is a politician. He says the right thing and smiles in the faces of us fans. He has deep ties to the Baltimore community.. and all that is good but we need a football coach.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of us the fans.

Are you kidding me right now? Last year we were hit with one of the biggest injury bugs in Ravens history. The year before we won the SB, was we not 1 FG kick away from moving on to the SB was it? Did we not lose 3 OC in two years of winning the SB? Now 4? Let me explain to you what a coach does. You can scream about knowing the X's and O's when it comes to play calling but if you can't motivate your guys, to do and play well as a HC, then you have no business being a coach. John has a vision and he shares his vision with the team. He allows coaches and players to be them selves and express themselves. He's a excellent motivator. That's his job. He keeps everything together, he's the glue. Have you not seen the many coaches that were fired because they lack that fire to rally a football team? Chip Kelly, Rex Ryan just to name a few guys. Why you think they stay in the media as terrible coaches but excellent X's and O's guys lol. Know the difference before you speculate. I'll take John ANY day over those guys because he's a leader. He has those guys believing they can pick up Thor's hammer with no problem. Give me that guy if he makes me feel that invincible as a player because that makes you play that much harder. Don't get me started, please lol.

Rice baby please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it was two games we are never one and done?

[Cawtious]

5 hours ago, Bat-mite said:

So I guess the whole world will know that we're planning to run the ball more and pass down the field on Sunday.

If Flacco can't stay in the pocket because of our pitiful O-line, how are the receivers going to have time to get down the field? And what's going to guarantee that they catch the ball once they do?

Make the linebackers respect our threat to run the ball and then use some play action to open up the field 10+ yards.  Throw the ball over the top a few times and stop the cover three choking off the shorter routes.  People are just pinning their ears back and coming after us because we abandon the run game.  All this should help Joe with time.  And yes, some better pass pro will also help!!

[Ravenous_Ravens]

On Point 2) The fact the offensive line is dealing with some injuries is a concern. But the fact there was very little play calling to help massage that issue from being a problem is telling of the release of Trestman. After last seasons injuries I would have thought adjusting your plays and blocking to accommodate such an issue to be a non-issue. If anything the play calling was helping opponents exploit the offensive line issues. When you don't get protection up front or open up running lanes, it is going to affect all aspects of your play execution.

[Ravens Raver]

  1 hour ago, RavensBaltimore said:

Anyone who thinks it's as simple as running more and throwing deep more is wrong. Other than at times against a couple of the league's worst run defenses, our run game has been awful. If the o-line doesn't improve, running more will do nothing but put us in more 3rd and longs.

As far as throwing deep more, our receivers need to get some separation(and catch the ball when it hits them in the hands), and our line needs to give Joe enough time to let his receivers get down field, and right now, neither is happening.

I agree. People want to hype this offense but really what do we have? No Julio Jones, no Mike Evans, no Antonio Brown like WR's. We have a 37 year old WR (SSS who's a beast but he's 37), we have a one trick speedster that's been let go by 3 teams (Wallace), a rookie (Perriman) and a undrafted FA (Aiken). We have a decent TE (Pitta) that has had 2 major hip surgeries. We have a fumble prone RB in West on his 3rd team. Not exactly a top talented offense.

This is not Brown, Bell, Ben. It's not Rodgers, Jordy, Cobb, Lacy. It's not Dak, Zeke, Dez. It's not Brady, Blount, Edelman, Gronk. It's not Carr, Murray, Amari, Crabtree. Yes, it's better than what we had last year but don't kid yourself, this is not a 30 point offense. I don't care if Vince Lombardi & Bill Walsh are calling plays. Our WRs (outside of SSS) CAN'T get open against 1 on 1 coverage. Our O-line has been horrible since Stanley went out - can't pass block, can't run block.

This offense is pretty easy to scheme against. I play press coverage because the WR can't get open against my CB's (also takes away the runs to the outside and the screen passes). I play safeties back and roll coverage to whoever is going deep (takes away any downfield passes). I keep my LB's in the box to stop the run and to blitz (Stops the run, takes away underneath passes). All that's left is checkdowns to the full back or TE for 5 or 6 yards - Sound familiar? I don't care what play you call, your personnel can't execute because they can't get open.

Not saying we can't win because we can. But with this personnel, it's gonna take mistake free football (no turnovers, no dropped passes) and will never put up 30 per game. Not until we get a legit #1 WR and a game-breaking RB.

Whew. After all the hype we've being hearing pre-season, this a splash of cold water in the face. Nicely put.

[Fastynart]

What? Baloney. Harbaugh's decision, my eye. It he "contemplated" it during the off season, what the heck was he waiting for? His offense has stunk up the place and ONLY NOW he decides to act? He did it to save his own skin. Oh and here we go with the "injury excuses" again, just like last year. As soon as a starter gets hurt, the excuse makers come out. That is crap. If the Ravens brain trust did its job, the injuries could be covered. Even if Joe goes down, Mallett, while not Joe, could be effective with a proper supporting cast. Lame excuse after lame excuse producing the same results.

[mearzunkies]

What? Baloney. Harbaugh's decision, my eye. It he "contemplated" it during the off season, what the heck was he waiting for? His offense has stunk up the place and ONLY NOW he decides to act? He did it to save his own skin. Oh and here we go with the "injury excuses" again, just like last year. As soon as a starter gets hurt, the excuse makers come out. That is crap. If the Ravens brain trust did its job, the injuries could be covered. Even if Joe goes down, Mallett, while not Joe, could be effective with a proper supporting cast. Lame excuse after lame excuse producing the same results.

His decision or not, I for one am glad Mornhinweg is getting his chance. He has to adapt to help his O-line. Let's see what we receive.

[Fastynart]

  2 hours ago, Fastynart said:

What? Baloney. Harbaugh's decision, my eye. It he "contemplated" it during the off season, what the heck was he waiting for? His offense has stunk up the place and ONLY NOW he decides to act? He did it to save his own skin. Oh and here we go with the "injury excuses" again, just like last year. As soon as a starter gets hurt, the excuse makers come out. That is crap. If the Ravens brain trust did its job, the injuries could be covered. Even if Joe goes down, Mallett, while not Joe, could be effective with a proper supporting cast. Lame excuse after lame excuse producing the same results.

His decision or not, I for one am glad Mornhinweg is getting his chance. He has to adapt to help his O-line. Let's see what we receive.

While I agree that the guy deserves a chance, why didn't Harbaugh give it to him instead of bringing in Trestman? If he was such a good candidate, he should have had the job. I still don't think that will solve the problems, but at least the offense should be more interesting moving the ball downfield instead of laterally. Too many passes short of the first down marker and too many times we fail on third and one. If improvements are seen in these areas, then we can get excited. Oh,, and the Perriman crowd who salivates at his speed I say so what? If he can't catch the ball what good is speed? Furthermore I have not seen him outrun a defender yet. He has not gotten behind them. Ugh.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  2 hours ago, mearzunkies said:

  4 hours ago, Fastynart said:

What? Baloney. Harbaugh's decision, my eye. It he "contemplated" it during the off season, what the heck was he waiting for? His offense has stunk up the place and ONLY NOW he decides to act? He did it to save his own skin. Oh and here we go with the "injury excuses" again, just like last year. As soon as a starter gets hurt, the excuse makers come out. That is crap. If the Ravens brain trust did its job, the injuries could be covered. Even if Joe goes down, Mallett, while not Joe, could be effective with a proper supporting cast. Lame excuse after lame excuse producing the same results.

His decision or not, I for one am glad Mornhinweg is getting his chance. He has to adapt to help his O-line. Let's see what we receive.

While I agree that the guy deserves a chance, why didn't Harbaugh give it to him instead of bringing in Trestman? If he was such a good candidate, he should have had the job. I still don't think that will solve the problems, but at least the offense should be more interesting moving the ball downfield instead of laterally. Too many passes short of the first down marker and too many times we fail on third and one. If improvements are seen in these areas, then we can get excited. Oh,, and the Perriman crowd who salivates at his speed I say so what? If he can't catch the ball what good is speed? Furthermore I have not seen him outrun a defender yet. He has not gotten behind them. Ugh.

Probably because Mornhinweg was hired after Trestman....

[RRRRRavens]

If things aren't going well, you'll always have a scapegoat. But Ravens are still a winning team this year, and still, people were frustrated. Therefore, hopefully, an OC change will help. Only thing I'm worried about is, how long it takes for Mornhinweg to change the O performance, and whether it's for the better.

I'm really concerned about the OL injuries, especially on the left side. Stanley, please be good and come back! Also, hope that CJ makes it back alright. Hamstring is a pain in the backside (literally), but he's making progress. Yes, the fumble was horrible, poorly timed, and ultimately cost the Ravens, but I'm sure that one won't happen again! And how many INTs is it this year? Was that a third?

Terrible towel, Big Ben is a friend... are you going to let that go down easy and take it? Let it sink in.

Well, you must admit that Big Ben and The Donald seem to have the same regard for women.

[RRRRRavens]

  11 hours ago, btfan2 said:

@Sarah Ellison How much did you get paid to bury us in nonsense. The main problem is Harbaugh and has been since he arrived, we'll see won't we. Will you be writing these fluff articles then.

Which obviously explains how bad he is due to, 

-Bringing Baltimore its second Lombardi trophy.

-80 wins to 53 losses. *not counting Playoffs.

- 10 wins 5 losses in playoffs since he got here, (Best playoff record from then to now.)

-After a tough season we are currently having a winning season so far and as far as I'm concerned if we fix our offense, we could be one of the most dangerous teams.

And also Sarah Ellison, keep up the good work. I love reading LFW and will continue to read it.

Ditto, Sarah. Love reading your column. It's the one column on this site I never miss.

[RRRRRavens]

Lies lies lies. All of it... LIES!

Ya gotta stop watching the debates. They're getting to ya.

[RRRRRavens]

  11 hours ago, fluffy201 said:

Of course it was Harbaughs decision. He should be extremely worried about his job, and it is only a matter of time before fans start screaming for his replacement. All I know is that losing back to back games at home is extremely uncharacteristic of the Ravens and should be looked at with real concern. I haven't really looked at Harbaugh with great optimism since Ed and Ray left etc. Those were the players that helped save Harbaughs butt many times and since they have left, so has Harbaughs winning record aside from one season.

Nobody cares what fans are screaming for. Fans scream for players to be benched after one bad play.

As Bill Parcells said, if you start listening to fans, you'll be sitting with the fans.

Fans don't determine who gets fired and who doesn't. They are fodder. They don't have that kind of power.

Jacket, you're right. Fans don't have that kind of power. Their power, when the team disappoints, rests in their ability to turn off the TV on Sunday afternoons and go play with their children which they probably should have been doing in the first place.

[RRRRRavens]

I'm still scratching my head over the whole, Justin Tucker lining up to kick a left footed field goal !
I thought Harbs was a special teams specialist before coming to Baltimore... How he could sign off on that play is beyond me.
I actually like trick plays. But the object of them, is to trick the other team !

Bravo! Couldn't have said it better myself.

[RRRRRavens]

  10 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  11 hours ago, btfan2 said:

@Sarah Ellison How much did you get paid to bury us in nonsense. The main problem is Harbaugh and has been since he arrived, we'll see won't we. Will you be writing these fluff articles then.

How about...Are you a Ravens fan and been following all the games? How many playoffs games, regular season games Harbs bring us? including championship and Lombard trophy?

The main problem here is fan like you, knee jerk reaction for every single obstacle.....

 

@Sarah Ellison thank you for your LFW article and I am always looking forward into reading it every morning....

How many playoff games has Harbaugh been to since the Superbowl win? The answer is 1. The problem is the Head Coach. I am not calling for his job however. I just want some power taken from him and more given to the offensive and defensive coordinators because he is not an X and O coach. He has no feel for the game. He will make a good team manager but as an NFL football coach, I think we got the wrong Harbaugh. John is a politician. He says the right thing and smiles in the faces of us fans. He has deep ties to the Baltimore community.. and all that is good but we need a football coach.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of us the fans.

I wouldn't worry so much about "fan intelligence" being insulted if I were you. I'm not sure it can be insulted.

[RRRRRavens]

  9 hours ago, AsianRice said:

  10 hours ago, EwholoJeroro said:

How many playoff games has Harbaugh been to since the Superbowl win? The answer is 1. The problem is the Head Coach. I am not calling for his job however. I just want some power taken from him and more given to the offensive and defensive coordinators because he is not an X and O coach. He has no feel for the game. He will make a good team manager but as an NFL football coach, I think we got the wrong Harbaugh. John is a politician. He says the right thing and smiles in the faces of us fans. He has deep ties to the Baltimore community.. and all that is good but we need a football coach.

This article is an insult to the intelligence of us the fans.

Give me examples that he was making his calls on defense and offense??

All of his OC or DC made all the calls on their owns and history speak for itself.

If you are saying John making all the calls, the year when Kubiak was here I guess John did an excellent jobs for making all good play calls and schemes....lol

Also, you are saying that you only count his track record after his SB win? /scroll eyes..

You statement is really insult to football fans' intelligence.....

Kubiak was hired by the front office. That was not a Harbaugh decision and everyone know that.

Camron was a bust, Mattison was a bust, Pees is no genius, Tresman.. well,.. you know.

I count the record after the SB win because he let go of all the leaders on the team after the SB and has only had one winning season since, Player that questioned his decision making like Boldin and Reed were let go.

Settle for mediocre if you want.. others want better for the team.

You mention that the Kubiak hiring was done by the front office. Fair enough. But of course that same front office did the releasing of Boldin, Reed, and all the others we did not retain after the SB, not Harbs.

[RavenzOz]

To all the fans complaining about John not being an X's and O's HC ... how many of those X&O HC's are actually DC's and OC's pretending really hard that they are HC's.

Jason Cole's tweet is true of all OC and DC positions (and every other position in every walk of life pretty much), you either get promoted one day or you get fired one day, unless your name is Rayray or Peyton .... or Matty Birk :-)

Expectations for Mornhinweg? just more sensible play-calling to start with would be fantastic, and then get us a playbook that can adjust to where that yellow line is, and maybe has some elements of deception to confuse opposing D's. That's not too much to ask from a person in a job that earns more in a year than what i earn in a lifetime is it?

Damn I'm grumpy this week.