If you could pick anyone?

[Jacquouille]

Cook is a better fit here than Fournette, and I don't think it's even a discussion.

[jboy19]

33 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

True points but we've seen other RB run behind the Dallas OL with not as much success so I think some of Elliott's success is a product of his OL but it's also him as well. I agree though that I like Cook better. Both are good but Cook slightly edges Leonard for me. 

You definitely aren't wrong. Zeke's super talented and would definitely be the best RB in Baltimore if he had ended up here. I'd be really interested to see how he did behind an average OL.

[ravensnation5220]

Everyones saying they would want elfein right??? You do know we are likely picking top 10 top 15 at this point. You really want to go oline 2 years in a row!?!?!? We have a good oline. They just need to get healthy. Whats killing us is the lack of playmakerS. Plural! We need skill position players now! Someone with the talent level of a fournette or mike williams. A playmaker on defense like a tim williams or a derek barnett. We really dont need a C/G as a first round pick.....we can find plenty of thise guys later in the draft. We need an elite level talent to build around. 

[ravensnation5220]

2 hours ago, Jacquouille said:

Cook is a better fit here than Fournette, and I don't think it's even a discussion.

Fournette is a fit for any team. I dont wanna hear the whole zone blocking scheme isnt what fournette is good at. Hes a running back with all the tools to succeed at any scheme and an elite talent that we are desperately missing. 

I still love cook and think its splitting hairs between the 2 but i give the edge to fournette

[Jacquouille]

13 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Fournette is a fit for any team. I dont wanna hear the whole zone blocking scheme isnt what fournette is good at. Hes a running back with all the tools to succeed at any scheme and an elite talent that we are desperately missing. 

I still love cook and think its splitting hairs between the 2 but i give the edge to fournette

Fournette would fit here because he's just too good to be unconfortable anywhere. Cook is as good as Fournette but he's just made to run in a ZBS, and he's a better fit because he can get outside much faster and turn it into a big gain. I think he's also a better receiver, which obviously is really important here.

 

 

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Fournette would fit here because he's just too good to be unconfortable anywhere. Cook is as good as Fournette but he's just made to run in a ZBS, and he's a better fit because he can get outside much faster and turn it into a big gain. I think he's also a better receiver, which obviously is really important here.

 

 

Fournette can get to the outside just as well and i dont think he has any problems as a reciever. He just doesnt get many opportunities because of lsu. Fournette is plenty explosive enough and really wouldnt ve surpirsed if he ran a 4.4 the kid has wheels. He also more powerful between the tackles. Cook is just a bit faster but lacks in the upper body. Personally i want a guy that will wear a defense down by running them over 24/7. Bring back the black and blue football to baltimore. 

[GrimCoconut]

24 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

Everyones saying they would want elfein right??? You do know we are likely picking top 10 top 15 at this point. You really want to go oline 2 years in a row!?!?!? We have a good oline. They just need to get healthy. Whats killing us is the lack of playmakerS. Plural! We need skill position players now! Someone with the talent level of a fournette or mike williams. A playmaker on defense like a tim williams or a derek barnett. We really dont need a C/G as a first round pick.....we can find plenty of thise guys later in the draft. We need an elite level talent to build around. 

I'd argue very strongly that an OL is a playmaker. In fact, an OL may be one of the best playmakers on the team because they allow multiple playmakers to make plays. If you have a good OL, your QB (playmaker) can have time to throw to a WR, who can get open because the OL gives the QB time in the pocket so the WR (playmaker) can eventually beat the CB coverage, and the TE (playmaker) doesn't have to stay in-line to block, which allows the TE (playmaker) to make plays while the OL opens up holes for the RB (playmaker) in the run game. 

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Fournette would fit here because he's just too good to be unconfortable anywhere. Cook is as good as Fournette but he's just made to run in a ZBS, and he's a better fit because he can get outside much faster and turn it into a big gain. I think he's also a better receiver, which obviously is really important here.

I like Cook slightly more because I think Cook is slightly more explosive than Fournette. That's the edge that makes me like Cook more. Else it would be a coin flip.

[ravensnation5220]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'd argue very strongly that an OL is a playmaker. In fact, an OL may be one of the best playmakers on the team because they allow multiple playmakers to make plays. If you have a good OL, your QB (playmaker) can have time to throw to a WR, who can get open because the OL gives the QB time in the pocket so the WR (playmaker) can eventually beat the CB coverage, and the TE (playmaker) doesn't have to stay in-line to block, which allows the TE (playmaker) to make plays while the OL opens up holes for the RB (playmaker) in the run game. 

I like Cook slightly more because I think Cook is slightly more explosive than Fournette. That's the edge that makes me like Cook more. Else it would be a coin flip.

Right but what happens when you have no WR who can catch or get open and dont have rb who can hit the whole quick enough before it caves in....thats my point

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Right but what happens when you have no WR who can catch or get open and dont have rb who can hit the whole quick enough before it caves in....thats my point

I understand, but you have to look at impacting everything you can and I'd rather improve the OL before a WR because the impact is more significant. Don't get me wrong. If the next AJ Green or freaking Julio Jones is there I'd take them right this second, but don't overlook the importance of an OL because they impact a lot of the offense and can completely turn around the offense. If we run the ball better, we can draw the defenders in and take them away from the deep part of the field to open up the long ball. Since the threat to run the ball is less, that's why we have become so ineffective at running the ball because teams sit and take away the long ball and use the same recipe to beat us every week now because we can't run the ball and we don't have time to throw deep. You solve those problems and it makes the WR job easier. 

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I understand, but you have to look at impacting everything you can and I'd rather improve the OL before a WR because the impact is more significant. Don't get me wrong. If the next AJ Green or freaking Julio Jones is there I'd take them right this second, but don't overlook the importance of an OL because they impact a lot of the offense and can completely turn around the offense. If we run the ball better, we can draw the defenders in and take them away from the deep part of the field to open up the long ball. Since the threat to run the ball is less, that's why we have become so ineffective at running the ball because teams sit and take away the long ball and use the same recipe to beat us every week now because we can't run the ball and we don't have time to throw deep. You solve those problems and it makes the WR job easier. 

We havent had stanley and yanda either for a while. I dont think thats helping but even when we did we still struggled to make plays. Flaccos qbr is practically the same when he has pressure vs when he doesnt. Then look at the dolphins. Jay ajai has had 2 straight 200 yard games behind an terrible oline. Why? Because he can break tackles and has quickness to get to the hole while its there

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

We havent had stanley and yanda either for a while. I dont think thats helping but even when we did we still struggled to make plays. Flaccos qbr is practically the same when he has pressure vs when he doesnt. Then look at the dolphins. Jay ajai has had 2 straight 200 yard games behind an terrible oline. Why? Because he can break tackles and has quickness to get to the hole while its there

The Cowboys are winning games because they invested a lot into their OL. Yes, they drafted Elliott and Bryant, but they invested the most into their OL and had success after that. It starts up front, and winning the battle of the trenches is a big deal. Center, LT, and RG are probably the most important pieces on the OL. We've got a rookie at one, a weak center at another, and an injured elite veteran who's getting up in age at the third. We need OL. I'm not advocating taking Elflein over Julio Jones here, but we certainly could use him over many other prospects. I'm not sure where we end up drafting because that'll also impact where we'd go. You don't typically draft a center with a top-10, top-5 pick, that's true.

[ravensnation5220]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

The Cowboys are winning games because they invested a lot into their OL. Yes, they drafted Elliott and Bryant, but they invested the most into their OL and had success after that. It starts up front, and winning the battle of the trenches is a big deal. Center, LT, and RG are probably the most important pieces on the OL. We've got a rookie at one, a weak center at another, and an injured elite veteran who's getting up in age at the third. We need OL. I'm not advocating taking Elflein over Julio Jones here, but we certainly could use him over many other prospects. I'm not sure where we end up drafting because that'll also impact where we'd go. You don't typically draft a center with a top-10, top-5 pick, that's true.

Im not saying ignor the oline because we definately need to beef up there but we can do it later in the draft. I see us picking in the top 10 again unfortunately. With a remaining schedule consisting of 2 vs pittsburg, 2 vs cincy, at new england, philly and dallas. I dont see us winning many of those games.....

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, ravensnation5220 said:

Im not saying ignor the oline because we definately need to beef up there but we can do it later in the draft. I see us picking in the top 10 again unfortunately. With a remaining schedule consisting of 2 vs pittsburg, 2 vs cincy, at new england, philly and dallas. I dont see us winning many of those games.....

I can't blame you for being disappointed. I am as well. Just give it time and see what happens. We could go on a tear and really light it up and still compete for the playoffs. There's a lot of football left and we're not even halfway through the season yet. Just be a little patient and see what happens. Right now, we could use many different positions. A #1 WR, starting C, Pass Rusher from the Edge, #2 CB who can fill in as a #1 CB, and even S are all positions we could really use right now. Arguments can be made for all of them. 

[ravensnation5220]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I can't blame you for being disappointed. I am as well. Just give it time and see what happens. We could go on a tear and really light it up and still compete for the playoffs. There's a lot of football left and we're not even halfway through the season yet. Just be a little patient and see what happens. Right now, we could use many different positions. A #1 WR, starting C, Pass Rusher from the Edge, #2 CB who can fill in as a #1 CB, and even S are all positions we could really use right now. Arguments can be made for all of them. 

I just feel like were a bunch of average joes out there led by an average JOE flacco, but your right. Theres still time to turn things around. Its just not promising especially with that gruesome schedule

[gtalk12]

nothing for the offense?

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, gtalk12 said:

nothing for the offense?

I mentioned fournette

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I just feel like were a bunch of average joes out there led by an average JOE flacco, but your right. Theres still time to turn things around. Its just not promising especially with that gruesome schedule

Joe isn't going anywhere, so I think you have to improve the talent around him as a result. We are married to Joe Flacco whether we like it or not for at least a few more years. I like Joe, but I know many don't. That said, he's playing poor lately and it needs to improve. We can cry about it, but I think it's best to accept he's going nowhere and recognize that his escalated salary cap means we cannot move him for many years. Therefore, improving the OL around him is the best option or getting a #1 WR like an AJ Green or Julio Jones. These are the best courses of action to get a ROI for our franchise QB.

[ravensnation5220]

34 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Joe isn't going anywhere, so I think you have to improve the talent around him as a result. We are married to Joe Flacco whether we like it or not for at least a few more years. I like Joe, but I know many don't. That said, he's playing poor lately and it needs to improve. We can cry about it, but I think it's best to accept he's going nowhere and recognize that his escalated salary cap means we cannot move him for many years. Therefore, improving the OL around him is the best option or getting a #1 WR like an AJ Green or Julio Jones. These are the best courses of action to get a ROI for our franchise QB.

I like him too i just think he needs weapons around him. Hes not the type of player to carry a team on his shoulders. He needs talent around him to thrive. Which he hasnt had since the superbowl run. 

[GrimCoconut]

9 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I like him too i just think he needs weapons around him. Hes not the type of player to carry a team on his shoulders. He needs talent around him to thrive. Which he hasnt had since the superbowl run. 

That's why I don't mind going OL because once Joe gets comfortable he can destroy you but I don't think he lets himself get comfortable because he's afraid of being hit. 

[Jacquouille]

So apparently Malik McDowell might be here when we're on the clock. Okay, I'm pouding the table for him, he's a freaking beast.

[RaineV1]

27 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

So apparently Malik McDowell might be here when we're on the clock. Okay, I'm pouding the table for him, he's a freaking beast.

He would be amazing for our passrush. And I think he's capable of playing both 3-4 DE and OLB, like Mario Edwards does.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

If we had a chance at Fournette and passed on him I'd be pretty upset.

[Cillmatic]

This Malik Hooker guy looks like the most average safety of this draft.

[Cillmatic]

Calling it now, Jamal Adams is gonna be a year one pro-bowler, THIS IS A RAVEN.

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/14/2016 at 8:13 AM, GrimCoconut said:

I used to agree and would normally but here's the deal: we need a game changer who can take over an entire game. Having that elite talent would do a ton to help this team because Garrett would mean less time for the QB to throw making it easier for the CB to cover. Furthermore it would make our other less explosive pass rushers better. Garrett would be that one guy I wouldn't mind trading the farm to have and it's because he literally wins games. 

Not sure how Garrett isn't near as good of a prospect as Mack... Garrett is downright unblockable most of the time...

[BmoreBird22]

On 10/24/2016 at 0:33 AM, RavensDieHard21 said:

Ozzie made an inquiry, but shriveled up once he found out they wanted our second and third round pick smh

To be fair, Mosley and Jernigan for Mack isn't a totally easy trade.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Not sure how Garrett isn't near as good of a prospect as Mack... Garrett is downright unblockable most of the time...

Yep. He's easily the best player in the entire draft and I dare say he is better than anyone in the 2016 draft as well and possibly the 2015 draft. This guy is probably the most impressive prospect I have seen in literally years.

[BmoreBird22]

22 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Calling it now, Jamal Adams is gonna be a year one pro-bowler, THIS IS A RAVEN.

Jamal Adams is a very likely top 5 pick, from what I'm seeing ATM. Not sure he makes it to be a Raven.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. He's easily the best player in the entire draft and I dare say he is better than anyone in the 2016 draft as well and possibly the 2015 draft. This guy is probably the most impressive prospect I have seen in literally years.

I'm pretty torn at the moment.

Incoming post that will draw a lot of criticism.

With the way Joe is playing, it's fair to wonder if he'll get over this mental block. A lot of people are blaming the line, but he was playing like this weeks one through three with a healthy line, so I don't buy that excuse. I think he's just hit a major mental block and his mechanics have regressed. He's not going anywhere for two more years after this one, so the Ravens have time to figure out whether this will be a constant issue or not. 

However, with that said, the Ravens might want to consider drafting a quarterback, like Watson or Trubisky (those are my preferred two), to have them sit behind Joe. The benefits of having a quarterback sit behind a veteran are pretty stark. I wish I could remember the B/R article, but guys like Rivers and Rodgers (hell, even Garopollo (sp?)) have come out of the gate firing and putting up better than average seasons. There's benefits to having them sit and learn. 

I wouldn't be upset if the Ravens went that route, although, I would be surprised.

[GrimCoconut]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I'm pretty torn at the moment.

Incoming post that will draw a lot of criticism.

With the way Joe is playing, it's fair to wonder if he'll get over this mental block. A lot of people are blaming the line, but he was playing like this weeks one through three with a healthy line, so I don't buy that excuse. I think he's just hit a major mental block and his mechanics have regressed. He's not going anywhere for two more years after this one, so the Ravens have time to figure out whether this will be a constant issue or not. 

However, with that said, the Ravens might want to consider drafting a quarterback, like Watson or Trubisky (those are my preferred two), to have them sit behind Joe. The benefits of having a quarterback sit behind a veteran are pretty stark. I wish I could remember the B/R article, but guys like Rivers and Rodgers (hell, even Garopollo (sp?)) have come out of the gate firing and putting up better than average seasons. There's benefits to having them sit and learn. 

I wouldn't be upset if the Ravens went that route, although, I would be surprised.

You already now Trubisky is one of my favorite QB in the draft and I recall you and I having the discussion of possibly drafting another QB  last year and not restructuring Joe after he comes off of the torn ACL. People gave us some criticism there, but I still think it may have been a very wise idea especially now.