Merged: Marty Mornhinweg and the New Offense

[Moderator 3]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

You mean like Brian Billick?

My first thought, too. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

And neither do you. McDaniels is a great offensive mind.. But history has proven that he was a terrible head coach... Kinda like someone you brought up earlier.... Oh yeah. MORNHINWEG. Who has historical offensive success, and was only canned from the eagles cause they did a total regime change, which btw blew up in their face and they had to do the same thing again three years later where they have finally found a QB that was as good as McNabb. So your argument to get rid of Flacco and Harbaugh was disproven in yet another way.

But preach on in your message that will never ever ever spread.

 

 

[RavensFanMania]

21 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

There are several teams out there with the money to absorb Flacco's contract. Actually more than several. Cleveland gladly would have traded it's pick for our first and second rounder. I'm not sure what you are talking about actually. You are the one that doesn't understand salary cap space. You keep saying we have plenty and we don't. Currently we are 27th in the league with about 4.5 mil which isn't much and basically $27 mil of that goes to Flacco.

Take your own suggestion and don't comment. You know absolutely nothing about how the cap works. 

 

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, wizard1 said:

You are right-I don't have to respond that link proved my point entirely-Thank you

So you support $60M cap hits for QBs who don't play for your team anymore?

Because that's what the article tells you.

[JoeyFlex5]

40 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

Who would block for wentz? It wouldn't be Jason Peters... It would be James Hurst or best case Alex Lewis assuming were able to make that pick after a trade. He wouldn't have Jordan Matthews and Brent celek to throw to. Its not that simple. You are just delusional.

[wizard1]

3 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

A lot of people were wrong about Tebow . and ? what's your point ??? .....

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, wizard1 said:

A lot of people were wrong about Tebow . and ? what's your point ??? .....

Who was wrong about Tebow? Who said he would be good?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, wizard1 said:

A lot of people were wrong about Tebow . and ? what's your point ??? .....

No, a lot of people who weren't espn who decides to hype up random players were right about Tebow and Manziel for that matter... THEY WERE FREAKING TERRIBLE, and anyone who understood football in the slightest could see that these two were gonna bust in the nfl from a mile away. 

 

3 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Take your own suggestion and don't comment. You know absolutely nothing about how football works

 

Fixed that for you

[RavensFanMania]

8 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

Again, how does him being a great OC translate to becoming a great HC.  On most occasions it doesn't translate.  Not saying it can't, but many times it doesn't.

[RavensFanMania]

3 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

A lot of people were wrong about Tebow . and ? what's your point ??? .....

Actually most people didn't think he should be drafted prior to the 3rd round.  Coaches, fans and pundits alike.

[MTRavensFan]

14 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

not even remotely close.  Even Kirk Cousins didn't want to agree to a short deal.  lol

Look at Brock Osweiler, for cryin' out loud.

[RavensFanMania]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

No, a lot of people who weren't espn who decides to hype up random players were right about Tebow and Manziel for that matter... THEY WERE FREAKING TERRIBLE, and anyone who understood football in the slightest could see that these two were gonna bust in the nfl from a mile away. 

 

Fixed that for you

true and thank you

[allblackraven]

Can you all please stop responding to that fool? 

[Sami84]

14 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Who would block for wentz? It wouldn't be Jason Peters... It would be James Hurst or best case Alex Lewis assuming were able to make that pick after a trade. He wouldn't have Jordan Matthews and Brent celek to throw to. Its not that simple. You are just delusional.

 

jordan matthews and brent celek are hardly world beaters :/

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

jordan matthews and brent celek are hardly world beaters :/

No, but Jordan Matthews would be the best receiver on this team. And Brent Celek isn't their #1 TE anymore. That would be Zack Ertz, who would also be the #1 TE on this team as well.

You don't need World beaters to be good in this league, as the Ravens have proven just about annually, because we never have any.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

19 hours ago, The Raven said:

I'm guessing, yeah. Morninwheg was OC from 06-12. 

He had the latter part of Brian Westbrook's career (06-09) and the beginning of Lesean McCoy's career (09-2013). Those run games were explosive.

It was the tail end of McNabb's career with Philly (06-09), but McNabb put up some respectable seasons. 

Not yet sold on him as a long term guy but I think he'll do well for us this season.

To get the discussion back on track since one of the 2 members of the forum who can derail who threads singlehandedly did so again. I'm a little nervous. I expect us to be rusty with the immediate change which is why I don't see the game vs the giants a win tbh. Which will enrage most members but I'll understand. It took a game for Caldwell to kick in and he was better than Cam especially during the playoffs. 

 

I'm curious as to how he'll use the three headed monster we have. West/Allen/Dixon are all very solid and talented. I think both Dixon and West have the potential to be feature backs(a very good problem to have), and Allen is excellent with RB screens. I know in Philly he was prone to using those so I'm excited there. He also excellently utilized Desean Jackson's speed and was able to adaquately get targets for Brent Celek(who's been grossly underused for the past few seasons). 

 

I think he has potential but at this point, I'm hoping we can go get an actual Kubiak disciple at some point if at all possible(I doubt it though). Or like a Mike McCoy if he's fired. Maybe a Ken Wisenhunt if theres a total regime change in San Diego which wouldnt surprised me.

 

Btw. Wisenhunt and McCoy. Both very smart offensively. Bad head coaches. See where I'm going here?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No, but Jordan Matthews would be the best receiver on this team. And Brent Celek isn't their #1 TE anymore. That would be Zack Ertz, who would also be the #1 TE on this team as well.

You don't need World beaters to be good in this league, as the Ravens have proven just about annually, because we never have any.

He doesn't seem to understand the fact that you don't need amazing superstar talent to go win a SB. I've reiterated the fact that you need three things. 

1. Franchise QB-Flacco is one in spite of what Sami and Wizard think. He's historically very good in the playoffs, and this team could potentially get there. 

2. Good play in the trenches. Our front 7 is great. We have talent, for those complaining about Dumervil doing nothing it was his second game back from injury, shut up, and Suggs is not doing bad while we have Jernigan in the middle who's turned into a one man wrecking ball(and might be a pro bowler if he keeps it up). Offensive line is getting there but we need to get healthy and it wouldnt surprise me if Alex Lewis performs better at RT next week(which is why I think we signed Ducasse. I think Stanley is ready to come back and Wagner is hurt) than Wagner. 

 

3. Identity. Got one on defense, this is us trying to find our offensive identity. Hopefully Marty delivers. 

 

We have the depth(which is ultimately more important than star power) and pieces to go win one talent wise. If we get there we have a good possesion WR in Steve, two guys who can be deep threats in Wallace and Perriman, and two TEs who can make plays. If we can get any improvement on the oline(cause we've seemed to find a groove in the running game in spite of Trestman.. you know. Never using it) then this team could potentially make noise. 

[Edug27]

26 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Take your own suggestion and don't comment. You know absolutely nothing about how the cap works. 

 

I'm sure he knows that. But negative comments that are sure to cause a stir are just a way to deal with losses and the frustration of Sundays. We all deal with it differently.

[JoeyFlex5]

42 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

He lasted with Bill because he's not a HC, he still is a little punk but one with no authority and only intellectual input. 

You don't really understand how rank, seniority, authority, coaching, salary caps, or football in general work do you? Yet you argue it all day.

[wizard1]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He doesn't seem to understand the fact that you don't need amazing superstar talent to go win a SB. I've reiterated the fact that you need three things. 

1. Franchise QB-Flacco is one in spite of what Sami and Wizard think. He's historically very good in the playoffs, and this team could potentially get there. 

2. Good play in the trenches. Our front 7 is great. We have talent, for those complaining about Dumervil doing nothing it was his second game back from injury, shut up, and Suggs is not doing bad while we have Jernigan in the middle who's turned into a one man wrecking ball(and might be a pro bowler if he keeps it up). Offensive line is getting there but we need to get healthy and it wouldnt surprise me if Alex Lewis performs better at RT next week(which is why I think we signed Ducasse. I think Stanley is ready to come back and Wagner is hurt) than Wagner. 

 

3. Identity. Got one on defense, this is us trying to find our offensive identity. Hopefully Marty delivers. 

 

We have the depth(which is ultimately more important than star power) and pieces to go win one talent wise. If we get there we have a good possesion WR in Steve, two guys who can be deep threats in Wallace and Perriman, and two TEs who can make plays. If we can get any improvement on the oline(cause we've seemed to find a groove in the running game in spite of Trestman.. you know. Never using it) then this team could potentially make noise. 

I never say anything bad about Flacco even tho I definitely think he is not worth what we are paying him. Given time and a comfortable pocket Flacco is the best in the business. He never has had a consistently good offensive line, hence he is always up and down.  Offensively we have always been plagued with lack of talent and depth and any position. Even at RB this year when everyone has said we have such depth and talent the reality is we have neither. The same with TE and WR. I'm lost with some of your insights.

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[PurpleCity5]

It's going to be tough for him to take over in such a short time. Doesn't even get the bye week to prepare but such is life. 

[flynismo]

1 hour ago, DenverRaven said:

Is this a joke? You must be trollin...

 

Your suggestion was met with a few guffaws because it's a poor suggestion.

+1 for utilizing "guffaws" in a sentence

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

34 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I never say anything bad about Flacco even tho I definitely think he is not worth what we are paying him. Given time and a comfortable pocket Flacco is the best in the business. He never has had a consistently good offensive line, hence he is always up and down.  Offensively we have always been plagued with lack of talent and depth and any position. Even at RB this year when everyone has said we have such depth at talent the reality is we have neither. The same with TE and WR. I'm lost with some of your insights.

Funny because a few pages back you were clamoring to trade flacco away for picks and go get Wentz, who'd be in a terrible situation here.

 

get a clue

[wizard1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He lasted with Bill because he's not a HC, he still is a little punk but one with no authority and only intellectual input. 

You don't really understand how rank, seniority, authority, coaching, salary caps, or football in general work do you? Yet you argue it all day.

You are obviously one who doesn't learn by his mistakes. Let's see have you ever predicted one thing that was either correct or even remotely accurate.

[wizard1]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Funny because a few pages back you were clamoring to trade flacco away for picks and go get Wentz, who'd be in a terrible situation here.

 

get a clue

I have advocated for Flacco's trade as far back as 2015 because of the inflated contract he got after we won the SB. Not necessarily because of his lack of skills. He is a good QB which I have always stated but not worth $125 mil. No way !

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, wizard1 said:

I have advocated for Flacco's trade as far back as 2015 because of the inflated contract he got after we won the SB. Not necessarily because of his lack of skills. He is a good QB which I have always stated but not worth $125 mil. No way !

I'm pretty sure I could go back to posts before our sb run and see that you were heavily calling for us to bench flacco.

 

someone get on it!

[trevorsteadman]

I still don't see Flacco's contract as that big of an issue. Most teams out there are now paying their quarterback 20 million a year and most of them are still contenders. This is not the issue.

[wizard1]

6 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm pretty sure I could go back to posts before our sb run and see that you were heavily calling for us to bench flacco.

 

someone get on it!

Thats true-I wanted to give Tyrod Taylor a shot for sure and look at him now. Who is the better QB in the AFC? Taylor 88 QB rating and Flacco and 80. Hmmm?

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[trevorsteadman]

Just now, wizard1 said:

Thats true-I wanted to give Tyrod Taylor a shot for sure and look at him now. Who is the better QB in the AFC?

Flacco by far.

[wizard1]

1 minute ago, trevorsteadman said:

Flacco by far.

Wrong. Taylor has an 88 QB rating and Flacco has an 80. Nuff said