Merged: Marty Mornhinweg and the New Offense

[Edug27]

31 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Long history of success? What history is that exactly? He certainly didn't have any success in Detroit almost identical to lackluster stint Trestman had in Chicago. I think this saying truly fits here with this coaching staff-- " if you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas" ! Biscotti needs to stop putting band-aids on bullet wounds. Our whole team in racked with average players producing below average results. Nobody is playing lights out. That's directly on John Har-ball.

We can rebuild it and we can make it better!

So.. In your perfect world, we fire Harbaugh. Sign Mcdaniels as coach. Trade Flacco and draft a QB in the first round. ... ? Or is that Sami who loves him some Mcdaniels. Get the 2 of you confused sometimes.

[BmoreBird22]

49 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Are you familiar with the phrase " better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" ?

The irony

[BmoreBird22]

22 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Sweet, sweet irony.

I see someone beat me to it...

[trevorsteadman]

I mean.. It can't be worse than last week when you only put up 10 points... Right? At least Perriman proved he can get open now he needs to figure out what his hands and feet are used for but he sure can fly and get open.

[RavensFanMania]

51 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Long history of success? What history is that exactly? He certainly didn't have any success in Detroit almost identical to lackluster stint Trestman had in Chicago. I think this saying truly fits here with this coaching staff-- " if you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas" ! Biscotti needs to stop putting band-aids on bullet wounds. Our whole team in racked with average players producing below average results. Nobody is playing lights out. That's directly on John Har-ball.

We can rebuild it and we can make it better!

Do you certainly can dish it out but you certainly can't take it.  Btw, you should take your own advice and keep Silent.

 

7 of his 15 yrs as OC were top 10.

[harfordravenfan]

9 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

Do you certainly can dish it out but you certainly can't take it.  Btw, you should take your own advice and keep Silent.

 

7 of his 15 yrs as OC were top 10.

Probably already been mentioned but he was the HC in Detroit so bringing that up makes no sense

[wizard1]

45 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So.. In your perfect world, we fire Harbaugh. Sign Mcdaniels as coach. Trade Flacco and draft a QB in the first round. ... ? Or is that Sami who loves him some Mcdaniels. Get the 2 of you confused sometimes.

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

[wizard1]

19 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Probably already been mentioned but he was the HC in Detroit so bringing that up makes no sense

It makes perfect sense except to those who refuse to remember the past and those are the ones that are condemned to repeat it.

In the last analysis it's fruit from the poisoned tree.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

If we let Flacco go after this season, we wouldn't have been able to afford to keep KO, and probably not be able to afford to sign a #1 draft pick either.

I know you're not familiar one bit with the salary cap or how it works, but its kind of a big deal in the NFL. You can't just cut a guy one year into a monster, guaranteed deal and just get away with not having to face cap consequences for it.

There is no scenario where cutting Flacco and signing KO could even vaguely happen in the same offseason. 

[Edug27]

7 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

So what happens when Wentz is done with his rookie contract and is due 25+ mil per season based on the QB market? Trade him and draft another QB? Rinse wash repeat?

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

crazy thing about all this is that at 5-0 which looked very doable in the last two games...trestman would be chilling...all perriman had to do was make a simple play..all mosely had to do was just walk out of bounds..

 

all joe had to do was make 10-15 yards for a field goal attempt vs the raiders.

 

if we were 5-0 and we fired trestman i'd actually be  a lot happier as this is more about desperation rather than not being blinded by reality

John Harbaugh confidence in Marc Trestman wasn't really all that high even before the season started...Harbaugh knew from the start that this may have been Trestman last year as The Ravens offensive coordinator but he had to give him fair shot to prove him wrong. The reality of it all is that Marty Mornhinweg probably fits Joe Flacco and what John Harbaugh wants than Marc Trestman.I kind of wish that Marty was named the offensive coordinator from the start and have Marc Trestman as the quarterback coach.

Edited October 11, 2016 by jazz1988

[MTRavensFan]

1 minute ago, wizard1 said:

It makes perfect sense except to those who refuse to remember the past and those are the ones that are condemned to repeat it.

In the last analysis it's fruit from the poisoned tree.

So let's remember the past, when Josh McDaniels went 8-8, then 3-9, before being run out of Denver where a fan petition for his firing gathered over 17,000 signatures,  and spawned the website JoshMcDanielsSucks? That's the guy you want? No thanks. 

[wizard1]

2 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

So what happens when Wentz is done with his rookie contract and is due 25+ mil per season based on the QB market? Trade him and draft another QB? Rinse wash repeat?

Rookie QB's almost always agree to at least a smaller 3 year deal with incentives.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Rookie QB's almost always agree to at least a smaller 3 year deal with incentives.

Umm, no. This isn't even remotely true. Actually its just completely false. 

Yet to see a quality, franchise-level QB accept less than a 4 year, highly guaranteed deal after their rookie deal is over.

 

Edited October 11, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[Sami84]

5 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

John Harbaugh confidence in Marc Trestman wasn't really all that high even before the season started...Harbaugh knew from the start that this may have been Trestman last year as The Ravens offensive coordinator but he had to give him fair shot to prove him wrong. The reality of it all is that Marty Mornhinweg probably fits Joe Flacco and what John Harbaugh wants than Marc Trestman.I kind of wish that Marty was named the offensive coordinator from the start and have Marc Trestman as the quarterback coach.

 

would this have happened though if we squeaked out these two wins? Did CJ mosley/Perriman cost trestman his job? OR was Harbs going to do the right thing regardless?

[harfordravenfan]

8 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

It makes perfect sense except to those who refuse to remember the past and those are the ones that are condemned to repeat it.

In the last analysis it's fruit from the poisoned tree.

As I look back into the past/recent post... I realize I'm just wasting my time but anyway.

Can you elaborate as to why you think his term as HC factors into how he'll perform as an OC?

[wizard1]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we let Flacco go after this season, we wouldn't have been able to afford to keep KO, and probably not be able to afford to sign a #1 draft pick either.

I know you're not familiar one bit with the salary cap or how it works, but its kind of a big deal in the NFL. You can't just cut a guy one year into a monster, guaranteed deal and just get away with not having to face cap consequences for it.

There is no scenario where cutting Flacco and signing KO could even vaguely happen in the same offseason. 

There are several teams out there with the money to absorb Flacco's contract. Actually more than several. Cleveland gladly would have traded it's pick for our first and second rounder. I'm not sure what you are talking about actually. You are the one that doesn't understand salary cap space. You keep saying we have plenty and we don't. Currently we are 27th in the league with about 4.5 mil which isn't much and basically $27 mil of that goes to Flacco.

[berad]

Josh McDaniels traded up and drafted Tebow in the 1st round. His players turned on him and his team tanked, even his punter calling him a "little punk" in the media. Harbaugh could go for it on every 4th down from now until 2020 and still be a superior coach.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, wizard1 said:

There are several teams out there with the money to absorb Flacco's contract. Actually more than several. Cleveland gladly would have traded it's pick for our first and second rounder. I'm not sure what you are talking about actually. You are the one that doesn't understand salary cap space. You keep saying we have plenty and we don't. Currently we are 27th in the league with about 4.5 mil which isn't much and basically $27 mil of that goes to Flacco.

No...

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/

Cap hit would increase by $43.3M if you traded Flacco prior to the 2016 season. $65.85M would be the 2016 cap hit for Flacco. You can trade away future salaries all you want... you can't trade away prior paid signing bonuses.

Don't bother commenting on this... this article is right, and you are wrong. Not a debatable topic. 

And I don't care about our current year cap situation... the year has already started. I care about future years, where we have plenty of cap space. That same website will show you that, as well as point out some of the obvious cap space we can create by cutting non-valued added players. 

[DenverRaven]

27 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

I definitely think its time to show Harbaugh the door. Yes, I do think Josh McDaniels is an ideal replacement and yes I did suggest before the draft that we let Flacco go, we keep Kelechi Oselmele, we trade our first and second round pick, ( which turns out to be to be Stanley and Correa ) and move up in the draft and select Carson Wentz and save ourselves about $80 mil. But as always my suggestion was met with a few guffaws. I might add the exact same people who were laughing at that idea are the same ones who had their pom poms out for Marc Trestman and even Ray Rice.

Is this a joke? You must be trollin...

 

Your suggestion was met with a few guffaws because it's a poor suggestion.

[Tru11]

josh mcdaniels is a good OC , god awful HC.

 

 

[RavensFanMania]

50 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

Probably already been mentioned but he was the HC in Detroit so bringing that up makes no sense

Absolutely does.  He's served 15 years as an offensive coordinator in this league.  7 have been in the top 10.  Why is this so hard to understand?

28 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

It makes perfect sense except to those who refuse to remember the past and those are the ones that are condemned to repeat it.

In the last analysis it's fruit from the poisoned tree.

 

[Moderator 3]

13 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

There are several teams out there with the money to absorb Flacco's contract. Actually more than several. Cleveland gladly would have traded it's pick for our first and second rounder. I'm not sure what you are talking about actually. You are the one that doesn't understand salary cap space. You keep saying we have plenty and we don't. Currently we are 27th in the league with about 4.5 mil which isn't much and basically $27 mil of that goes to Flacco.

You obviously have no clue how the cap actually works.  Please stop before you confuse the poor noobs.  They don't need to be exposed to this kind of misinformation.

[trevorsteadman]

I'm glad Harbaugh knows his team well enough to know it is going in the wrong direction to make a bold move now. It is hard and most teams would've waited another two weeks until the bye week but he did it now to try to save one of the couple games before the bye week.

[RavensFanMania]

24 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Rookie QB's almost always agree to at least a smaller 3 year deal with incentives.

not even remotely close.  Even Kirk Cousins didn't want to agree to a short deal.  lol

Edited October 11, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

You obviously have no clue how the cap actually works.  Please stop before you confuse the poor noobs.  They don't need to be exposed to this kind of misinformation.

To add onto this. He's been doing this and has been proven wrong each time for 5 + years. We all know what he is. Ignore him

[wizard1]

11 minutes ago, berad said:

Josh McDaniels traded up and drafted Tebow in the 1st round. His players turned on him and his team tanked, even his punter calling him a "little punk" in the media. Harbaugh could go for it on every 4th down from now until 2020 and still be a superior coach.

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, wizard1 said:

Long history of success? What history is that exactly? He certainly didn't have any success in Detroit almost identical to lackluster stint Trestman had in Chicago. I think this saying truly fits here with this coaching staff-- " if you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas" ! Biscotti needs to stop putting band-aids on bullet wounds. Our whole team in racked with average players producing below average results. Nobody is playing lights out. That's directly on John Har-ball.

We can rebuild it and we can make it better!

Kubiak had mediocre success as a HC in houston, matter of fact his team was bad for quite some time. Cam went 1-15 as a HC and ended up a brilliant coordinator for a rookie qb. Mcdaniels was one of the biggest disasters ever as a HC. Lebeau was a bad head coach. Nothing you say comes within a mile of supporting your stance

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

The awesome thing about life is some people learn by their mistakes and grow and end up becoming better human beings because of them. I think if he was a "little punk" he wouldn't have lasted very long with Bill Bellichek. He is an offensive genius. Don't you think we need a HC with an offensive mindset? Obviously Harbaugh doesn't have it.

You mean like Brian Billick?

[wizard1]

10 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

No...

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/

Cap hit would increase by $43.3M if you traded Flacco prior to the 2016 season. $65.85M would be the 2016 cap hit for Flacco. You can trade away future salaries all you want... you can't trade away prior paid signing bonuses.

Don't bother commenting on this... this article is right, and you are wrong. Not a debatable topic. 

And I don't care about our current year cap situation... the year has already started. I care about future years, where we have plenty of cap space. That same website will show you that, as well as point out some of the obvious cap space we can create by cutting non-valued added players. 

You are right-I don't have to respond that link proved my point entirely-Thank you