[News] Ravens Fire Offensive Coordinator Marc Trestman

[Steve32]

Castillo needs to go too, clean house, let Marty bring his guys in so he can get a fair shot

No, no, no
You don't clean house in mid season.
Castillo will be fine.
He and Trestman butted heads over the blocking styles and now that too is over.

[riseNConquer81]

Pees you're on notice, your weak sauce blitzes don't work.....

no he's not. He hasnt done anything but consistently produce top 12 defenses.

[Steve32]

Nothing will change that much. The offensive line and special teams are bad.

Both fixable.

[krnraven]

  8 minutes ago, krnraven said:

Thank you!!!!

Its a good start but more coaches must go

Don't be so over dramatic. Trestman was the one holding us back. You'll see we'll get better moving forward. I am curious as to who else you want to see go. I can name two but Juan Castillo and the DB coach, not Leslie Frazier.

[jdynamite]

I hope the search for a new OC in the offseason extends long and far. Look at offensive position coaches in pros and college as well as a few guys that may go unnoticed behind Offensive minded HC  for example Andy Reid, Sean Payton, B.Arians  ( interview someone like Pete Carmichael see what he's learned behind Sean Payton offensively.  ) 

in college ranks someone like Josh Heupel maybe. 

Or Dan Werner Ole Miss OC

shoot my other candidate was Stanford's OC didn't realize Pep Hamilton is with the Browns now oh well. 

[reed20fence]

Some coaches never change. Others evolve in their outlook and knowledge. Kubiak was a pariah in his last year in Houston for being an extremely risk-averse playcaller and very unimaginative after Arian Foster went down. In fact, in O'Brien's intro presser the Texans' GM said they were happy to finally have a "smart, imaginative, original thinker."
Unfortunately for the rest of the league, Kubiak was listening. He evolved and added more quirks to his zone run schemes with us and then in Denver adapted the offense to fit around Peyton's dying arm.

Trestman didn't evolve. His playcalling was bland, unimaginative, and frustratingly unaware of situational needs during large patches of the game. We telegraphed runs in the shotgun and then wondered why the run game wasn't producing. We threw the ball 50+ times routinely out of the gun to where simply man coverage were sufficient to stifle us for quarters on end.

Hopefully Morningwheg has observed.

[stixfix69]

  12 minutes ago, stixfix69 said:

Pees you're on notice, your weak sauce blitzes don't work.....

no he's not. He hasnt done anything but consistently produce top 12 defenses.

If you really think not getting pressure on the QB is good enough, then good for you......But i'm not good with it at all...His pevent defense cost us last week, his lack of pressure in a lot of situations on Cousins was a joke, mean while, other defenses are dialing it up, and getting Joe killed....Film doesn't lie....

[jravens1313]

The O-Line can run block but they are horrible in pass protection.

So should we Run 19 times and drop back 50 when we are averaging 6+ yards per carry? Anything will be an improvement from Trestman. Trust me.

[riseNConquer81]

  25 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

for the best.

Agree but I ask this; when is Harbs going to be held accountable for his coaches? Doesn't he review the game plans? It's obvious from his press conference he didn't even realize Trestman abandoned the run yesterday. When is he going to learn how to manage a game and make the necessary in game changes?

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

[RavenLunatic]

Took long enough!!! I hope Marty has a better feel for the game than Trestman.

[stixfix69]

Break out Kubiaks playbook, and use it, we have it, and it worked, use it, it's that simple.....

[Popeye the sailor man]

All the preseason hype about how great the Ravens will be comes down to one thing " Execution " It starts with the Coaches and ends with the Players, I've never liked Trestman from the beginning, now it's not the time to replace him, let it go till the season's over, Marty is not a quick fix, we need to bring back a person of OC Cam Cameron quality, he was fire from LSU last week because of a lousy Head Coach they had, John Harbough needs to be careful, he could be next, I've been staying what is happening now for the last 3-4 years, now all the Ravens fan are realizing that my comments were on the button. Flacco is like one of the three blind mice on the field, if he cannot see how is he going to execute, the TE's and WR's are the other two blind mices, see how they run, where the heck are they running to. Bring back the Ground and Pound game, maybe Flacco can't hand a ball off either, perhaps maybe the Ravens need to back to just playing simple basic football...

[harfordravenfan]

3 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

To possibly clarify... As a fan, I was screaming "why did we stop running the ball" during the game. As a head coach, harbs should've walked over and asked trestman wth is he doing

[RavenLunatic]

  29 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

for the best.

Agree but I ask this; when is Harbs going to be held accountable for his coaches? Doesn't he review the game plans? It's obvious from his press conference he didn't even realize Trestman abandoned the run yesterday. When is he going to learn how to manage a game and make the necessary in game changes?

Harbaugh just used his one and only scapegoat. If things continue to fail, he should be put on the chopping block. But for him, there has to be a reasonable/respectable and wise replacement on hand before that is done. It is one thing to axe a coordinator. Entirely different for an HC.

[pocket]

5 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

11 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

To possibly clarify... As a fan, I was screaming "why did we stop running the ball" during the game. As a head coach, harbs should've walked over and asked trestman wth is he doing

Have to be balanced, obviously. Coaches are put there to hold players accountable, call plays and point things out, not help them learn how to play football all over again. Let flacco call his own plays, see what happens.

Edited October 10, 2016 by pocket

[riseNConquer81]

  6 minutes ago, riseNConquer81 said:

your question doesnt make sense.
you're basically asking him to be the offensive coordinator.
he's a special teams guy.

He made a hire, it didnt work, he replaced the guy.
what do you want?

To possibly clarify... As a fan, I was screaming "why did we stop running the ball" during the game. As a head coach, harbs should've walked over and asked trestman wth is he doing

and then what?
Trestman's still gonna be the one calling the plays.

[The Mom Gene]

Just a side note. We have a better team than what we have demonstrated this season so far. You can tell the offensive players are frustrated. Joe's comments yesterday said more than needed to be said. His "frustrated and embarrassing" comment was clear evidence of the above.... then when West commented during the locker room interview. You knew something had to happen.

[OUravensfan]

Why didn't you get your foot down? WHY

[thegooddoc456]

Harbaugh is still here? Bummer.

[harfordravenfan]

1 minute ago, pocket said:

Have to be balanced. Coaches control the play calling, the players control the performance. Maybe, let flacco call his own plays. See what happens.

Idk, working with flacco and or giving him the ability to audible is ok but I wouldn't have confidence that flacco could develop game plans to attack opponent's weaknesses and our strengths

[The Mom Gene]

  11 minutes ago, Crusader said:

Nothing will change that much. The offensive line and special teams are bad.

Will we stop throwing the football 45 times a game and running 20 times a game?

Will we stop running horrible route trees and designed plays where the WR caches the ball within 0-5 yards? These all sound improvements. As bad as we played our defense almost won that game single handedly. So happy we are giving someone else a shot to call plays!

With the receivers we have, we SHOULD be throwing at least 35 - 40 times a game and running between 25 and 30. Just sayin. I understand that the run sets up the pass, but we aren't using what we have to our advantage. We're just not. That's the message in this move.

[steelcityraven]

I have mixed emotions on this move:

First: I am happy that we made the move bc we may now be able to take the handcuffs off of the offense and really start to utilize the weapons and potential that we have.

Second: I like Morninweg's pedigree... plus he has the Andy Reid / Harbaugh connection

Third: I love that fact that he is a QB coach and has produced 5 pro bowl QBs- I think Marty will be good for Joe

Those are the positives:
Here are the negatives.

First: It is another new coordinator and another new system. I do think that the introduction of 5 new OC over the past 9 years limits what this offense can be. While I believe that it will be an upgrade... I hope that the learning curve isn't to steep and takes 8 weeks to start clicking

Second: We have drafted personal to fit into our current system... wonder how the transition will be for some players. (I get it sometimes you need to prune a tree for it to grow) But I wonder what that looks like in real life

Third: With offensive success being so hard to find through 5 different OC in the Harbaugh era (Kubiack really being the only one to have much sustained success) I am beginning to wonder if the problem is not systematic and bigger then an OC... I guess time will tell on this one.

Finally.... I am excited about the opportunity to grown and move forward. I am excited to finally take the handcuffs off of this offense and while I never thought Dean Pees would outlast Trestman... I am looking forward to what this brings.... last time we fired an OC in the middle of the season... we won the Super Bowl. Hope that history repeats itself!

[stixfix69]

Any good OC will sit and talk with his QB after a series to make adjustments, like Kubiak did, Flacco was always seen sitting on the bench by himself with his tablet, zero chemistry between the two, and it showed.....the move was written all over the wall.....The two obviously weren't on the same page, and when it comes down to your franchise QB and a OC, the franchise QB is going to be the one sticking around.....

[Halshayeji]

6 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Just a side note. We have a better team than what we have demonstrated this season so far. You can tell the offensive players are frustrated. Joe's comments yesterday said more than needed to be said. His "frustrated and embarrassing" comment was clear evidence of the above.... then when West commented during the locker room interview. You knew something had to happen.

I hate to admit this but I was actually happy when I saw those interviews. I actually commend the guys for sticking with Trestman this long before "semi giving up" on him.

 

I absolutely agree. I loved just about everything I saw yesterday except Trestman. Our WRs can get separation and make plays. Our TEs are great as a group. Our Oline proved that theyr not push overs. And our D played lights out! It's so unfortunate that we started the second half with 5 streight punts and only 2 first downs. That's just unimaginable. If we play that game again 100 times we'd probably win 99 of them. We were a far superior team but our coordinator couldn't get a FD of his life depended on it. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Halshayeji

[pocket]

"Game Plans" At the end of the day it is pitch and catch.  People aren't getting open, the ball isn't where it needs to be. Yes, having a competent play caller helps, as a gamer you'd want to have full control. Let Joe call based on what he sees. If he can't do that, then we got the wrong quarterback. Joe and and co. need to get their timing down. Comes down to the players, not the coaches. Coaches are there as a reminder. Not  to drastically alter football iq or ability. Things are as complicated as you let them. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by pocket

[omar586]

scheme wise i dont think we make a lot of change, i do think we need to play more ZBS, we were dominant

[steelcityraven]

Pees you're on notice, your weak sauce blitzes don't work.....

Im with you... I hope Pees is on notice.... at least bring him in an assistant to help him out!

[Ravenshine]

I thought he had a longer leash, and I think he actually did going into the Skins game. But after the poor showing of offense against a weak Wash D, his leash shortened to the point of nothing. While this may very well help the Ravens, it's not going to fix all things.

It will give a fresh start, and cause some big changes to be made. So hopefully they also can address the other issues that weren't coach related, thus attack this thing full force. I think they will. I think this is just one part of their strategy to get back on track. That game yesterday was just painful to watch. Had to do something major at this point, while it's early in season. But not early enough to just wait.

[ravens4life86]

Whaa?? Trestman fired. Oh miracles do happen.
Now its Mourningweig turn. And I keep hearing rumblings hes no different then Trashman, throw it 50x&run it 20x

Well hopefully not, someone better pull him aside and say Hey Marty
Around here the run pass ratio is something like 25-30 runs a game to 35 passes.

And If playcalling doesnt get back to some normalcy after Trashman firing
Harbs is on the hotseat

So Im going to watch Sunday with keen eye, and playcalling and ratio better be different. More balance&feel for the game

Anything has to be better then Trashman, right

[BiggMack91]

thank you very much an i told y'all lol