[News] Late For Work 10/10: Eight Takeaways From Ravens' Loss, Including 'Abandoned' Run Game

[NorthDakotaRaven]

Thanks man, appreciate the info! @stixfix69

[berad]

Touchback rule is fine, the only issue with that play was that Mosley lost the ball. ST coverage is an issue, Hester needs to figure out how to field a ball if that's all he's going to offer to the team - he cost us.

[BMORE = BEASTING]

  2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

OK FOLKS.....  Time to move the Trestman discussion to the appropriate board.  Thanks!

It's talked about in this article, so it's appropriate here, as well as the new one that directly addresses the firing.

Agreed!

[Dfence4champs2052]

Very Browns-esque stuff happened yesterday especially the fumble for a touchback. It was a really tough loss that didn't do us any favors. Hope Pittsburgh stumbles somewhere very soon.

[law215]

Poor decisions, dropped passes, mistakes, poor coverage on ST, poor pass protection adds up to a bad football team. Now injuries to Smith Sr, Mosley, Wagner, Stanley ?

Next Week the Ravens will face a desperate Giants team. It is a bad matchup for the Ravens next week. OBJ, Cruz, Shepard may light up this secondary if the pass rush is not excellent and offense has multiple 3 and outs.

This week was the ST and offense. Next week may be the defense's turn. This just does not look like a good football. Hopefully, we can see better football.

Otherwise Harbs is in the hot seat next year.

[huntrgathrr]

This was a true team loss....everyone contributed from the coaches on down. Almost a comedy of errors. The continued stupidity was really hard to watch. This was the perfect example of getting the absolute least out of a team and for that Harbaugh is totally responsible. A good coach gets the most out of his players and creates a team where the total is greater than the sum of the parts. The total here is remarkably lower than the sum of the parts as the Ravens have now lost 2 games in a row at home to teams that are less talented.
If this continues Harbaugh should step down and accept he is not doing the team any good. He appears to have lost the ability to guide the team in a winning direction. This despite 5 standout performances by a top 5 NFL defense. When you have a great defense the smart thing to do is take every point you can and run the ball to shorten the game. He has thrown away countless opportunities for points with stupid and unnecessary gambles.
Granted the players have made some stupid mistakes as well but these would not have mattered if the team had taken all the easy points it could have taken. Specifically the failed 2 point conversion against Oakland and the failed fake field goal against Washington.
Wake up or you will soon be unemployed John Harbaugh.

[BmoreRavensFan4Eva]

I don't understand why the Ravens kept substituting Terrance West after running for a 1st down on most plays. The guy averaged 8.6 yards a carry! Yes, this team has receivers that are capable of making big plays but it is not a passing team. The Ravens are a balanced football team. Joe is at his best when the running game is utilized more. He can certainly play better, but the way the o-line and receivers have performed so far this year has him seeing ghosts because nobody is protecting him, and when he throws a ball that's catchable, nobody catches it.

[dirtybird66]

I see no blame falling on HARBAUGH,what,he can't say,look TRESTMAN,no way were giving up the run and this is the second game he gave up points,3rd if you count not kicking the long field goal and it came back to haunt us,this team lacks FOCUS everywhere and thats the biggest job on the head coach and ultimately all game decisions go on the head coach,it starts and should end with him.

[bigcatfrank1]

This was a true team loss....everyone contributed from the coaches on down. Almost a comedy of errors. The continued stupidity was really hard to watch. This was the perfect example of getting the absolute least out of a team and for that Harbaugh is totally responsible. A good coach gets the most out of his players and creates a team where the total is greater than the sum of the parts. The total here is remarkably lower than the sum of the parts as the Ravens have now lost 2 games in a row at home to teams that are less talented.
If this continues Harbaugh should step down and accept he is not doing the team any good. He appears to have lost the ability to guide the team in a winning direction. This despite 5 standout performances by a top 5 NFL defense. When you have a great defense the smart thing to do is take every point you can and run the ball to shorten the game. He has thrown away countless opportunities for points with stupid and unnecessary gambles.
Granted the players have made some stupid mistakes as well but these would not have mattered if the team had taken all the easy points it could have taken. Specifically the failed 2 point conversion against Oakland and the failed fake field goal against Washington.
Wake up or you will soon be unemployed John Harbaugh.

very reasonable summary. John seems to have realized that Trestman was not on the same page. Im not sure that either of the last 2 teams are less talented, both had strong seasons last year for where they are. The Ravens are young, at least in terms of past Ravens teams. I didnt see the top 5 performance against the Raiders, and maybe a top 10 this last game. But the Offense must contribute more to the games. Again 5 drops yesterday is just too many! Also the Running game was doing better, the O-line was poor and it sure seemed play calls did not exploit the defense.
I think Harbaugh should hold those risky calls for when the Ravens are either so far up or so far down that the risk is worth the cost.

[bigcatfrank1]

Poor decisions, dropped passes, mistakes, poor coverage on ST, poor pass protection adds up to a bad football team. Now injuries to Smith Sr, Mosley, Wagner, Stanley ?

Next Week the Ravens will face a desperate Giants team. It is a bad matchup for the Ravens next week. OBJ, Cruz, Shepard may light up this secondary if the pass rush is not excellent and offense has multiple 3 and outs.

This week was the ST and offense. Next week may be the defense's turn. This just does not look like a good football. Hopefully, we can see better football.

Otherwise Harbs is in the hot seat next year.

agreed

[Ravenous_Ravens]

Poor decisions, dropped passes, mistakes, poor coverage on ST, poor pass protection adds up to a bad football team. Now injuries to Smith Sr, Mosley, Wagner, Stanley ?

Next Week the Ravens will face a desperate Giants team. It is a bad matchup for the Ravens next week. OBJ, Cruz, Shepard may light up this secondary if the pass rush is not excellent and offense has multiple 3 and outs.

This week was the ST and offense. Next week may be the defense's turn. This just does not look like a good football. Hopefully, we can see better football.

Otherwise Harbs is in the hot seat next year.

Pretty sure he is in the hot seat already. Whether firing Trestman was ultimately his decision or an ultimatum given to him, who knows or cares. Thing is he is overall responsible for this team and this recent move certainly hints at him feeling the heat rise to uncomfortable levels.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

No blame on Mosley for his effort, i will never throw a player under the bus for giving his maximum effort......

No blame, just advice, two hands on the ball if you dive through the air. Point is if your body will not touch the ground easily, your are just asking for someone to knock it loose. Again though no blame, he plays defense and that is advice mostly given to offensive ball carriers.

CJ Mosley's play and motor are flying high. Hopefully the injury is nothing too serious and just a tight muscle.

[FloridalovesRavens]

Poor decisions, dropped passes, mistakes, poor coverage on ST, poor pass protection adds up to a bad football team. Now injuries to Smith Sr, Mosley, Wagner, Stanley ?

Next Week the Ravens will face a desperate Giants team. It is a bad matchup for the Ravens next week. OBJ, Cruz, Shepard may light up this secondary if the pass rush is not excellent and offense has multiple 3 and outs.

This week was the ST and offense. Next week may be the defense's turn. This just does not look like a good football. Hopefully, we can see better football.

Otherwise Harbs is in the hot seat next year.

Guess we'll wait and see what happens next game. I don't believe for one moment that Harbaugh deserves to be on the "hot seat".

[FloridalovesRavens]

Still does not fix the offensive line and special teams,

One thing at a time. This is just the beginning I am sure.

[PersianRaven]

So I thought we had the best ST Unit. Hmm, Back to back weeks and we allow big Punt returns. That's a killer. Poor tackling, horrible offensive and defensive calls, bone headed plays, etc. Oh, and we dropped 2 in back to back weeks at home. Well done!

[drillem]

Offense this week, special teams next week. Neither are playing up to their potential. And when you got injuries in key places the coaching has got to be good enough to compensate. I don't think the issue end with the offense. I haven't felt good about this team for a while. I see more shake ups coming if things don't get much better. Pointing fingers at others won't save Harbaugh long term.

[Rav'n Maniac]

  21 hours ago, Crusader said:

Still does not fix the offensive line and special teams,

this may or may not matter to you but the OL started 2 second stringers in the first half and 4 second stringer in the second

What? Wrong! The only "second stringer" playing in the 1st half was Urschel, with 4 starters and one playing out of position. In the 2nd half, there were 2 "second stringers" with Urschel & Jensen at the guard positions along with 2 starters playing out of position.

[billiejean]

19 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

What? Wrong! The only "second stringer" playing in the 1st half was Urschel, with 4 starters and one playing out of position. In the 2nd half, there were 2 "second stringers" with Urschel & Jensen at the guard positions along with 2 starters playing out of position.

i would tell you to go look at the depth chart. A player can not be a first stringer in two positions.  It is not possible.  And you may not realize this but there is a big difference between playing guard and tackle.  You may have been able to do it in your two hand touch league, but it is not that easy in the pros.  In fact depending on your personal very often on most depth charts you will see that first stringers are listed as second stringers at other positions.  If you are going to start a sentence with What? Wrong! you should probably be sure that you are right.

Edited October 11, 2016 by billiejean

[Rav'n Maniac]

  3 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

What? Wrong! The only "second stringer" playing in the 1st half was Urschel, with 4 starters and one playing out of position. In the 2nd half, there were 2 "second stringers" with Urschel & Jensen at the guard positions along with 2 starters playing out of position.

i would tell you to go look at the depth chart. A player can not be a first stringer in two positions.  It is not possible.  And you may not realize this but there is a big difference between playing guard and tackle.  You may have been able to do it in your two hand touch league, but it is not that easy in the pros. Ridiculous. Have you ever looked at a depth chart  

LOL, you mad bro? Depth chart, really?

First and foremost, I hope you realize that the "depth chart" listed on the site is formulated by an IT person running this site. It's not the official "depth chart". Even if it was, the depth chart is not gospel. It is nothing more than a guide and means even less. As a matter of fact, the one listed on this site presently still has Williams and Canady listed on it when they are both on IR. Goes to show how important it really is. LOL

Secondly, if you start the game, you are a starter no matter the position you are playing. When you have a starter that can play multiple positions, ie: Lewis: guard/tackle, Zuttah: center/guard or Yanda: guard/tackle doesn't make you a "second stringer" when you flip between positions.

Have Fun!

[billiejean]

Um 

7 hours ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

LOL, you mad bro? Depth chart, really?

First and foremost, I hope you realize that the "depth chart" listed on the site is formulated by an IT person running this site. It's not the official "depth chart". Even if it was, the depth chart is not gospel. It is nothing more than a guide and means even less. As a matter of fact, the one listed on this site presently still has Williams and Canady listed on it when they are both on IR. Goes to show how important it really is. LOL

Secondly, if you start the game, you are a starter no matter the position you are playing. When you have a starter that can play multiple positions, ie: Lewis: guard/tackle, Zuttah: center/guard or Yanda: guard/tackle doesn't make you a "second stringer" when you flip between positions.

Have Fun!


 

    I will say that I do agree with you on the whole depth chart issue.  That was really weak argument.  I shouldn't have even brought it up. The terms "starter" and "first stringer" are not synonyms.  They have two totally different meanings and you seem to have used them interchangeably.  A starter by your definition is someone who starts the game.  A "first stringer" is the player who is the teams FIRST choice to play a certain position.  A second stringer is a player who is the teams SECOND choice to play a certain position. When you said "The only second stringer playing in the 1st half was Urschel" that was incorrect since both Lewis and Urschel would be considered second stringers, as neither of them would be the teams first choice to play those positions.  Then when you said "In the 2nd half, there were two second stringers with Urschel & Jensen at the guard positions along with 2 starters playing out of position",  that was also incorrect.  Urschel, Jensen, Yanda, and Lewis would all be considered second stringers.  And the second part of that statement contradicts your definition of starter ("if you start the game, you are a starter no matter the position you are playing").  Lewis, Zudda, and Urschel all started the second half at the same positions they started the first, which would make it 3 starters and not as you said 2.  And you have further contradicted your definition of the of a starter when you said "playing in the 1st half was Urschel, with 4 starters and one playing out of position".  But by your definition Urschle would in fact be a starter.  And what you are saying about switching positions is also hard to justify  Yesterday Mike Pierce played some fullback which by your definition makes him a first string fullback because he "flips positions".  In a pinch Yanda could play all five offensive line positions.  This does not mean he is a first stringer at all of those positions.  There is no one who believes that Anthony Levine is our first string middle linebacker just because he plays there in certain passing situations.  It is impossible for a player to be a first stringer at multiple positions in any singular phase of the game (OFF DEF ST).   All that said I reread my statement that I sent to you this morning and it was certainly had a nasty tone which was wrong of me and I apologize.  I can be a bit of a grumpy gus in the mornings..

Edited October 12, 2016 by billiejean

[OUravensfan]

Why is this team incapable of winning more than 4 games in a row. If we can win the next two somehow we can save our season. 

In a sick joke kind of way you know that game our offense puts up 40 our defense will allow 41

Edited October 11, 2016 by OUravensfan

[OUravensfan]

22 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

Guess we'll wait and see what happens next game. I don't believe for one moment that Harbaugh deserves to be on the "hot seat".

The Ravens are really like the Giants, they weren't looking so hot a few years after 2007 and then 2011 happened. Harbaugh will get us one more at least.

[btfan2]

  On ‎10‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 1:38 PM, law215 said:

Poor decisions, dropped passes, mistakes, poor coverage on ST, poor pass protection adds up to a bad football team. Now injuries to Smith Sr, Mosley, Wagner, Stanley ?

Next Week the Ravens will face a desperate Giants team. It is a bad matchup for the Ravens next week. OBJ, Cruz, Shepard may light up this secondary if the pass rush is not excellent and offense has multiple 3 and outs.

This week was the ST and offense. Next week may be the defense's turn. This just does not look like a good football. Hopefully, we can see better football.

Otherwise Harbs is in the hot seat next year.

agreed

me to

[jravens1313]

On 10/10/2016 at 10:37 AM, The Mom Gene said:

Marty Morningweg takes over....  Leslie Frazier has done wonders with our secondary.  I'm not throwing in the towel on them yet.  We've been rated the #1 defense for 2 weeks now.

Don't forget to give credit to Tavon Young, Eric Weddle, and Zach Orr. And obviously Sizzle is back.