Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[JO_75]

Just let me wake up to the headline, "Ravens fire Marc Trestman" and I can start my Monday off right. 

 

[flynismo]

39 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

That'd be 3 - he had a bye this week.

He's going to be pretty good, I think.

Maybe, maybe not, but the complete lack of common sense among some people is downright disturbing

[flynismo]

As far as Trestman goes, I thought he did a pretty decent job today. Today, it was all execution, or lack thereof. Absolutely no OC to have ever been in the league would have had much more success given the complete ineptitude of he entire offense today. This is the first time all year I've thought that way so...good job.

Edited October 3, 2016 by flynismo

[Inqui]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

Man, I can't believe Harbaugh and Bisciotti and Ozzie don't do that already. That's terrible. They don't vet guys prior to a hire? Man oh man.

Didn't you know? It's well known that when Harbaugh hires a new co-ordinator they spend all that "searching" time playing Scrabble in Ozzie's office. It's so Harbaugh can know if a candidate will be a good buddy of his and they like having good wordsmiths that they know can deflect questions at post-game pressers.

[Inqui]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Maybe, maybe not, but the complete lack of common sense among some people is downright disturbing

Carson Wentz is an elite bye-week QB, something Joe will clearly never achieve in his career.

[flynismo]

14 minutes ago, Inqui said:

Carson Wentz is an elite bye-week QB, something Joe will clearly never achieve in his career.

No wonder why. He's probably too busy riding skateboards in his driveway instead of getting in reps with the WRs.

[DomMcRaven]

27 minutes ago, flynismo said:

No wonder why. He's probably too busy riding skateboards in his driveway instead of getting in reps with the WRs.

Or going to McDonald's drive-thrus.

[cobrajet]

1 hour ago, Willbacker said:

I'm not going to get on Trestman for game calling but you gotta leave somebody in to chip block to help Hurst and I'm putting that squarely on the shoulders of Trestman.

That is my problem with the coaching. Why do we see the problem so early with Hurst and it takes so long for Trestman to get him some help. Same with Wright on defense, how come Pees can't give him some safety help. I mean how many TD's does he have to give up in a game.....5? You see a problem, you try to fix it....right? Our coaching leaves me scratching my head so often.

[52liveforever]

Until our oline doesn't play like crap I'm not willing to blame Trestman.

[52liveforever]

1 hour ago, flynismo said:

As far as Trestman goes, I thought he did a pretty decent job today. Today, it was all execution, or lack thereof. Absolutely no OC to have ever been in the league would have had much more success given the complete ineptitude of he entire offense today. This is the first time all year I've thought that way so...good job.

This should be hand delivered to each offensive player because it is right on the head. The offense hasn't come to play. They were given chance after chance from the amount of 3 and outs our defense gave them. Offense was absolute garbage.

[ravensnj]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

Just let me wake up to the headline, "Ravens fire Marc Trestman" and I can start my Monday off right. 

 

I concur

[flynismo]

30 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

This should be hand delivered to each offensive player because it is right on the head. The offense hasn't come to play. They were given chance after chance from the amount of 3 and outs our defense gave them. Offense was absolute garbage.

Indeed. And yes, there are most certainly some "What the heck?" calls that I personally didn't like. But overall, he did enough to make me happy (as if he cares about that lol). Plenty of deep shots -- more importantly, most of those deep shots were at the right time. Or at least not a bad time. Mixed up the playcalling pretty well, using all levels of the field. He wasn't able to use the TE since they had to sit back and earn Hurst's paycheck for him.

If I want to find something to whine about, I'll say that he could have done a better job rolling plays out from the guy that tormented the OL all afternoon long.

Again, good job Trestman. 

But this was just one game of four where I was happy with the job he did. I'm not getting my hopes up until I see this consistently. Until then, I'm still aboard that "Fire Trestman" bandwagon.

[Halshayeji]

Goodbeye Trestman.....

we gave you three weeks to get any kind of momentum going and you failed. Heck we even gave you a fourth week to convert and you failed. Again!

This 3 and out thing is on you! Absolutely you! Purely you! This 3 and out should be trestmans last. Get out of here! Let's get someone else in here before it's too late

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, flynismo said:

As far as Trestman goes, I thought he did a pretty decent job today. Today, it was all execution, or lack thereof. Absolutely no OC to have ever been in the league would have had much more success given the complete ineptitude of he entire offense today. This is the first time all year I've thought that way so...good job.

I disagree. Once Maxx went out in the second(?), it seemed like Hurst didn't get nearly as much help as he needed (Pitta or Crockett might chip, but nothing too much). Even having a running back stay in would have been extremely helpful because Jensen, Wagner, and Hurst got worked on the passing downs.

Also, in the first half, Trestman called 30 passes to seven runs. They scored a grand total of six points in the first half.

I can hold players accountable for terrible blocking and a lack of execution, but is it any surprise that the pass blocking was so horrid (again, needed help) when they passed 23 more times than they ran? When they got into the second half and found more balance with the running game, we saw Mack and Irvin tire out immensely and the game really slowed down for the offense.

With the way the defense played in the first, a faster start ensures a win. It's a huge issue for the offense.

[flynismo]

50 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I disagree. Once Maxx went out in the second(?), it seemed like Hurst didn't get nearly as much help as he needed (Pitta or Crockett might chip, but nothing too much). Even having a running back stay in would have been extremely helpful because Jensen, Wagner, and Hurst got worked on the passing downs.

Also, in the first half, Trestman called 30 passes to seven runs. They scored a grand total of six points in the first half.

I can hold players accountable for terrible blocking and a lack of execution, but is it any surprise that the pass blocking was so horrid (again, needed help) when they passed 23 more times than they ran? When they got into the second half and found more balance with the running game, we saw Mack and Irvin tire out immensely and the game really slowed down for the offense.

With the way the defense played in the first, a faster start ensures a win. It's a huge issue for the offense.

Yeah his 1st half was inexcusable if you ask me. I was ready to go on my usual "can't stand Trestman" rant in the game thread, but I was too distracted by the ineptitude of the rest of the offense.

But, he made up for it in the second half. He became a lot more balanced. Of course, that probably has a lot to do with us running the ball a lot better, but on the other hand, it doesn't excuse abandoning the run in the first half.

I do want to make one correction to my previous answer. After I thought about it, he actually didn't make nearly as many shots downfield as I originally said he did. There were some memorable plays (SSS TD which wasn't even a deep pass, the Moore shot into double coverage in the end zone, an incompletion to Wallace), and I think I got carried away in my generous mood of wanting to take something positive away from this game.

All things considered, I'm downgrading my original "good job" ( my equivalent of a B ) to a "you didn't suck today" ( my equivalent to a C )

[Bruce_Almty]

In praise of Kyle Shanahan ... and Julio. Perriman is wishing he had a OC with the imagination and 21st century schemes to allow him to excel.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

What plays are being designed to get the ball out of Joes hands quicker? Its a given the line cant hold water

[flynismo]

4 minutes ago, OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL said:

What plays are being designed to get the ball out of Joes hands quicker? Its a given the line cant hold water

Nearly every play that Trestman calls is designed for that. That's one of the primary points of contention with him. I understand Joe is just 9 months removed from the surgery, and we want to protect him for a while until we're certain he's back to 100%, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

For starters, he needs to cut the crap with abandoning the run at the first sign of struggles. Nothing negates a pass rush like a solid, consistent running game. I mean, this is stuff we figured out as little hooligans playing in the yard..."hey look, Fly's lined up over here, let's show pass, and run it over there away from that dummy!" Sure, that's a simplification, but you get the idea.

How about a bootleg once in a while, even if it's just a short, quick throw? Does he even know what a wheel route is? I assume he does, since the Bears fans were complaining that all he knows how to do is call passing plays to Forte. Has anyone told him that there's no law against using two TE sets more than once or twice a game? Etc etc etc...

[jimmypowder]

10 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

This should be hand delivered to each offensive player because it is right on the head. The offense hasn't come to play. They were given chance after chance from the amount of 3 and outs our defense gave them. Offense was absolute garbage.

Still scored 27 points. And that's with terrible field position good portions of the game . The Oakland punter was pinning us back deep a lot . 

Edited October 3, 2016 by jimmypowder

[rmcjacket23]

Can somebody tell me what indication John Harbaugh has given anybody that he's willing to fire a coordinator mid-season in their second year on the job?

I mean there's wishful thinking and then there's reality, and they don't seem to be close to each other at this point.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Bruce_Almty said:

In praise of Kyle Shanahan ... and Julio. Perriman is wishing he had a OC with the imagination and 21st century schemes to allow him to excel.

Didn't see a lot of people saying this after Julio's 1 catch, 16 yard game against that deathly tough Saints secondary just last week...

[Deflated Football]

15 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Can somebody tell me what indication John Harbaugh has given anybody that he's willing to fire a coordinator mid-season in their second year on the job?

I mean there's wishful thinking and then there's reality, and they don't seem to be close to each other at this point.

Plus we're 3-1. Might make a little more sense if we were 1-3. 

[RavensFanOfLA]

Fire Marc Trashman, never had one game i was impressed by him. Pass,pass,pass....oh and more passing

[rmcjacket23]

Its a fan fallacy, nothing more. Fans think because we fired a coordinator mid-season four years ago that its the solution to all of our problems every time, despite the fact that we couldn't wait to get rid of the replacement coordinator just 12 months later.

 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, RavensFanOfLA said:

Fire Marc Trashman, never had one game i was impressed by him. Pass,pass,pass....oh and more passing

So who is responsible for the 19 rushing attempts in the 2nd half yesterday?

[Dubs]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So who is responsible for the 19 rushing attempts in the 2nd half yesterday?

This should not be under emphasized. Trestman not only ran the ball but changed up how we were running it. Juice was in the game much more, the runs were more down hill too. Yes he did a couple of those odd shotgun flick tosses but they seemed to work decently well. As much as I loved Kubiak's stretch zone scheme I think it is clear that without him here we need to move on from it, as it just does not work without him. I feel like we finally got a taste for what a running game looks like under Trestmans scheme in the second half. I hope he keeps that up going forward as West can be a pounder and I expect it will open up much pf the big plays in time. On that note if we do follow Trestmans run scheme I expect Forsett has no place in it as he really does not fit it too well. Buck Allen did well in his chances, and I think we are all excited to see Kenneth Dixon in the future too

[Tiznut]

37 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Didn't see a lot of people saying this after Julio's 1 catch, 16 yard game against that deathly tough Saints secondary just last week...

That's because it's only something used when it's convenient for them. 

 

 

[cobrajet]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Can somebody tell me what indication John Harbaugh has given anybody that he's willing to fire a coordinator mid-season in their second year on the job?

I mean there's wishful thinking and then there's reality, and they don't seem to be close to each other at this point.

You are absolutely right, it is not going to happen. Even with the very poor offensive performances, mostly in the first half, we are still 3-1 and Harbaugh is not going to fire Trestman. With that said, most of us fans are extremely frustrated and have seen enough to know that there is a problem with the playcalling and adjustments and that falls on the OC. The bottom line is he is not getting the most out of our players and we have enough talent on this team that the poor performance on offense means something is definitely wrong. The more ramped up the "Fire Trestman" stuff continues to gain momentum from us Ravens fans, I have a feeling that will translate to things getting back to Harbaugh and just may put a little pressure on him light a fire under Trestman and his offense. It seemed like Harbaugh was unhappy with the current offensive situation in his press conference yesterday, so just maybe he learned a lesson after the Cam Cameron fiasco. He has to remember that after he fired him (or was told to fire him) we went on to win a Super Bowl. Hopefully, Trestman will not get to enjoy the longevity that Cam had here, if our offense struggles in the same manner as it did under Cam. The bottom line is, some players were not getting the job done yesterday and need to be held accountable but it was plain to see we were out-coached yesterday. I will give them credit for one thing and that was sitting Forsett and promoting West and Allen seemed to improve our run game over the first 3 games.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

You are absolutely right, it is not going to happen. Even with the very poor offensive performances, mostly in the first half, we are still 3-1 and Harbaugh is not going to fire Trestman. With that said, most of us fans are extremely frustrated and have seen enough to know that there is a problem with the playcalling and adjustments and that falls on the OC. The bottom line is he is not getting the most out of our players and we have enough talent on this team that the poor performance on offense means something is definitely wrong. The more ramped up the "Fire Trestman" stuff continues to gain momentum from us Ravens fans, I have a feeling that will translate to things getting back to Harbaugh and just may put a little pressure on him light a fire under Trestman and his offense. It seemed like Harbaugh was unhappy with the current offensive situation in his press conference yesterday, so just maybe he learned a lesson after the Cam Cameron fiasco. He has to remember that after he fired him (or was told to fire him) we went on to win a Super Bowl. Hopefully, Trestman will not get to enjoy the longevity that Cam had here, if our offense struggles in the same manner as it did under Cam. The bottom line is, some players were not getting the job done yesterday and need to be held accountable but it was plain to see we were out-coached yesterday. I will give them credit for one thing and that was sitting Forsett and promoting West and Allen seemed to improve our run game over the first 3 games.

Right, but he also realizes that the same coordinator that we promoted in 2012 was also here in 2013. How do you think the fanbase felt about that offense?

Like I said, literally less than 12 months later, fans were calling for yet another offensive coordinator firing. Didn't even take a year... that's what fans do.

I'd say there's about a zero percent chance that Harbaugh makes coaching decisions based on how angry fans are. I would certainly bet he doesn't care one bit. Frankly, I'd be disappointed if he did. 

Like Bill Parcells once said... when you start listening to fans, you'll be sitting with the fans.

[PurpleCity5]

Joe sounded frustrated with the play-calling and I honestly think that Trestman is going to have to adjust what he usually does. Offense needs to start faster and Joe sounds pretty annoyed right now with what the team is doing. Not a good OL but lets not act like we never played with a bad OL and yet don't take our deep shots because we rarely did this game.