Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[Inqui]

1 minute ago, Wisdom said:

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!

 

START TYRO..... oh wait.

[gtalk12]

Just now, Wisdom said:

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!

 

 

Actually offensive line....but whatever. You are watching a completely different game then the rest of us....Flacco gets the ball out much faster than most Qb's in this league to make up for the fact his line gives out on him quickly....at no point until the very end did they call a play and ACTUALLY bring in more protect for flacco...

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!

 

1. Accepting the penalty was the smart move. The defense giving up a 3rd and 17, followed by jumping offsides on a hard count like some 10th graders, followed by giving up another 20 yards for a TD was the problem. Basically 11 guys actively trying to suck.

2. True, but it was Joe who was hitting his receivers left and right in the hands last week and the ball simply falling to the ground for some odd reason, just like it was Joe who put it on a dime to Perriman in the corner for the game winning score.

He can't throw passes to himself. I guess Trestman could take him with him, but I'm not the type of fan who enjoys being the Buffalo Bills for a decade either. I guess that's your own personal prerogative. 

[Wisdom]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Accepting the penalty was the smart move. The defense giving up a 3rd and 17, followed by jumping offsides on a hard count like some 10th graders, followed by giving up another 20 yards for a TD was the problem. Basically 11 guys actively trying to suck.

2. True, but it was Joe who was hitting his receivers left and right in the hands last week and the ball simply falling to the ground for some odd reason, just like it was Joe who put it on a dime to Perriman in the corner for the game winning score.

He can't throw passes to himself. I guess Trestman could take him with him, but I'm not the type of fan who enjoys being the Buffalo Bills for a decade either. I guess that's your own personal prerogative. 

Oh, here you go again.  I knew it would be only a matter of seconds before you and a few others come of calling.  LOL, Hilarious. 

[Inqui]

1 minute ago, Wisdom said:

Oh, here you go again.  I knew it would be only a matter of seconds before you and a few others come of calling.  LOL, Hilarious. 

Shouldn't you be posting on Facebook or something? Something more at your level?

[The Raven]

11 minutes ago, Wisdom said:

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!

 

It was Trestman who called four straight tight end flat routes and a tight end screen on the same drive. He should put his law degree to use and leave football.

[kjbmore]

10 hours ago, Daft Classic said:

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the offseason we have on our wish list for OC? In the event Mornhinweg doesn't workout

might be looking for more than just an OC if MM doesnt work out, prob a few jobs on the line on the back of the rest of this season

pretty sure harbs is on the hot seat and has a lot riding on this season, hence why he wasnt shy pulling the plug on trestman

why did we hire trestman to begin with??

 

[jazz1988]

49 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

might be looking for more than just an OC if MM doesnt work out, prob a few jobs on the line on the back of the rest of this season

pretty sure harbs is on the hot seat and has a lot riding on this season, hence why he wasnt shy pulling the plug on trestman

why did we hire trestman to begin with??

 

 

Last year was the worst ever in Harbaugh career as The Ravens head coach other than that he has been pretty successful. The Ravens 3-2 right now not 0-5 I doubt Harbaugh has been put on the hot seat already .  Harbaugh decision to fired Trestman in my opinion wasn't because he was on the hot seat but because it's his job to win games and after seeing how the offense preformed on sunday especially against a poor defense it gives Harbaugh every reason to let go Trestman now rather than later. Trestman on the other hand was hired because the guy was a respected offensive coordinator in the league  and after losing Gary Kubiak after one season, I think Harbaugh probably was lost on  who to hired as his replacement.

 

I honestly was surprised Gary Kubiak left after one season with The Ravens but  I believe Trestman was  highly suggested by Ozzie Newsome since they worked together before in the past. I was skeptical about Harbaugh  faith in Trestman  because I seen some reports during the offseason that  The Ravens were interested in Pat Shurmur (link) but for the most part I honestly don't think Trestman was totally a Harbaugh hire .

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, The Raven said:

It was Trestman who called four straight tight end flat routes and a tight end screen on the same drive. He should put his law degree to use and leave football.

Anyone who blames this on flacco wasn't watching. The play designs were atrocious. The situational play calling was a even worse. The lack of commitment or identity was apparent. And the total inability to play to the players strengths was infuriating. All this plus bad pass protection. 

This is so far from Joe's fault that even his haters should be understanding of his 3 off mark throws a game.

[PurpleCity5]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Anyone who blames this on flacco wasn't watching. The play designs were atrocious. The situational play calling was a even worse. The lack of commitment or identity was apparent. And the total inability to play to the players strengths was infuriating. All this plus bad pass protection. 

This is so far from Joe's fault that even his haters should be understanding of his 3 off mark throws a game.

The two straight pass and run play on 3rd and 9 really pissed me off. What you all stated were severe flaws when it came to him. You know what else, it's said that Trestman always has a good first year, but goes really down hill his second for some reason.

[Passepartout]

Really Trestman will have his coaching days as an assistant. Not a H.C. as someone said.

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

The two straight pass and run play on 3rd and 9 really pissed me off. What you all stated were severe flaws when it came to him. You know what else, it's said that Trestman always has a good first year, but goes really down hill his second for some reason.

I can't think of anything that makes me more angry than watching the ravens throw a screen. They don't work for us, scrap them harbaugh, wasted down. 

But a freaking tight end screen.. Honestly. What good could come of that in any situation outside of 3rd and goal from the 1? When has any coach expected a tight end to gain a full 10 yards to convert a 3rd down? They aren't built to make defenders miss in the open field, they're a coverage mismatch. Not a running back or return specialist. Those made me so mad yesterday.

[harfordravenfan]

55 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I can't think of anything that makes me more angry than watching the ravens throw a screen. They don't work for us, scrap them harbaugh, wasted down. 

But a freaking tight end screen.. Honestly. What good could come of that in any situation outside of 3rd and goal from the 1? When has any coach expected a tight end to gain a full 10 yards to convert a 3rd down? They aren't built to make defenders miss in the open field, they're a coverage mismatch. Not a running back or return specialist. Those made me so mad yesterday.

Haven't seen good screens since ray rice but you wasn't the only one screaming about TE screens and of coarse the passes on third down constantly 2-3 yards short of the marker

[BmoreRavens732]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

The two straight pass and run play on 3rd and 9 really pissed me off. What you all stated were severe flaws when it came to him. You know what else, it's said that Trestman always has a good first year, but goes really down hill his second for some reason.

Oh man!!! I almost punch my TV over that 3rd and 9 run in the red zone! Then what really took the cake was literally 1 second on the clock before halftime and they line up for a hail Mary just for Wagner to get hurt and flacco to get sacked or potentially injured as well. That right there sir is lack of a brain by trestman!!! If I was on the sideline I would have been arrested for all kinds of assault charges on him ?

[Maryland]

18 hours ago, Tru11 said:

yawn.

at some point we need to stop blaming the OC only and also look at the players and if you want to blame the coaches then have a look at all of them and not just the 1 that is easy to target.

O-line is a mess, well who is the o-line coach?
WR are dropping passes, well who is the wr coach?
QB has sloppy mechanics, well who is the QB coach?

most of the issues the ravens have are pretty much been around over numerous OC.

If some passes where caught we wont be complaining about the OC.
if the o-line could block for longer then a second we wont be complaining about the OC.

doubt an OC can come in and magically make the o-line become that much better or have the wrs hang on to balls better.

seems people forget that positions coaches also have a job as well they should be doing....

I think that's kind of the point I was trying to make: there were many problems with execution on the field that not even the best OC can fix just through coaching (though a more balanced run/pass ratio should help).

At this point, the fans and players got what they wanted in firing Trestman. It's time for the players to execute. There's no excuses left. OL needs to block better; WRs need to get separation and actually catch the ball; Flacco needs to improve his mechanics and accuracy--these things aren't absolved just because Trestman was fired.

17 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

If I'm not mistaken, Marty still ran a WCO style so the short/quick passes and checkdowns likely won't stop, but you have to assume he won't ignore the run like Marc did.

This is a point I think a lot of people are ignoring. Like Reid's WCO, there are probably going to be a lot of short passes and pass-first sets of downs. Hopefully he keeps it more balanced than Trestman while also managing to take more shots downfield, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's still a frustrating offense to watch, especially considering Mornhinweg can only change but so much with the playbook mid-season. It would not surprise me in the least if they are looking for a new OC in the off-season (though it also wouldn't surprise me if they stick with Mornhinweg if he does even just okay, since he's a Harbaugh guy). 

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

 

This is a point I think a lot of people are ignoring. Like Reid's WCO, there are probably going to be a lot of short passes and pass-first sets of downs. Hopefully he keeps it more balanced than Trestman while also managing to take more shots downfield, but I'm not going to be surprised if it's still a frustrating offense to watch, especially considering Mornhinweg can only change but so much with the playbook mid-season. It would not surprise me in the least if they are looking for a new OC in the off-season (though it also wouldn't surprise me if they stick with Mornhinweg if he does even just okay, since he's a Harbaugh guy). 

Not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. We committed to the WCO with Kubiak's success and don't see why anyone would expect a change. Obviously the PB won't change much mid season but there will be tweaks and adjustments that Marty will make to adjust to his style.  For much the same reasons I don't know why you would already think we would be looking for an off season OC change.

Marty's been here for a couple of years and has a close working relationship with Joe. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the offense improves almost immediately, but a lot of that depends on the health and performance of the O line.

[ravensdfan]

15 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Not sure why this would be a surprise to anyone. We committed to the WCO with Kubiak's success and don't see why anyone would expect a change. Obviously the PB won't change much mid season but there will be tweaks and adjustments that Marty will make to adjust to his style.  For much the same reasons I don't know why you would already think we would be looking for an off season OC change.

Marty's been here for a couple of years and has a close working relationship with Joe. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the offense improves almost immediately, but a lot of that depends on the health and performance of the O line.

Which is why I think Joe will have a lot more say in how the offense rolls with this change. I don't know about anyone else, but I felt from the first game that in his pressers it was obvious Joe was not pleased with Trestman's offensive vision. Sure, the OL has a lot to do with things as well, but our two losses were very winnable and while there are things that one can point to that cost us the game, the mind boggling play calling bears most of the burden.

[flynismo]

All I can say is, thank the gods that Harbaugh had enough sense to do this now. and not wait until it was too late.

On a side note, after Cameron and now Trestman, people can shut the bleep up about Harbaugh having favorites and buddies that he tries to protect.

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo

[ravensdfan]

9 hours ago, Wisdom said:

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!

 

It also wasn't Flacco who didn't haul in a perfectly placed ball that went right through his hands or drag a toe in the endzone. Or hold into a ball placed right there in his hands like Aiken and Wallace. Here's a newsflash: If you truly watched other teams you'd see that there isn't a QB out there that doesn't have two, three or more over/under throws per game. Sometimes, by design, as two of Flacco's passes were in this last game,, or the defender has the ball.

[Ravensdoordie]

Who is the genius behind running back by committee when West should clearly be the man.... He only gets better

and better as the game goes on.... He was doing extremely well in the redskins game only to be pulled after a play or two 

and just because some genius had a plan to utilize all 3 running backs.... Dixon wasn't doing anything other then falling down after a

half yard gain if that... Allen couldn't move the ball either.... West was doing great.... At least he can find a whole to plow through... 

That to me is the problem...  Whoever designs a game plan doesn't know when to make adjustments... And testerman always 

abandoned the run too quickly...   We need an offensive coordinator that can go in at halftime and make adjustments and not 

just go in to take a leak and then come back out doing the same things over and over again.....

maybe be we finally get someone who can design crossing routes for receivers and design plays that actually gets a receiver to at least make it to the first down marker to catch a ball on third downs instead of always being short by 3 or more yards.... 

[berad]

The commonality between Cameron and Trestman being fired is baffling play calling, misuse of talent, and mounting frustration from players. I've also seen suggestions that Bisciotti actually fired Trestman over Harbaugh's head - haven't we gotten over those lies the first time around? This is some lazy, Mike Preston-level filler nonsense.

[ravensdfan]

29 minutes ago, berad said:

The commonality between Cameron and Trestman being fired is baffling play calling, misuse of talent, and mounting frustration from players. I've also seen suggestions that Bisciotti actually fired Trestman over Harbaugh's head - haven't we gotten over those lies the first time around? This is some lazy, Mike Preston-level filler nonsense.

I never understand why that even matters but in this case, I'm not getting that vibe in the least anyway. From Harbaugh's demeanor and his statement, feels like this was his decision to me.

[Tank 92]

31 minutes ago, berad said:

The commonality between Cameron and Trestman being fired is baffling play calling, misuse of talent, and mounting frustration from players. I've also seen suggestions that Bisciotti actually fired Trestman over Harbaugh's head - haven't we gotten over those lies the first time around? This is some lazy, Mike Preston-level filler nonsense.

 

Just now, ravensdfan said:

I never understand why that even matters but in this case, I'm not getting that vibe in the least anyway. From Harbaugh's demeanor and his statement, feels like this was his decision to me.

The only people it matters to are the ones that don't like Harbaugh to begin with. While I'm sure the decision was vetted by Bisciotti prior to him pulling the trigger, who the heck cares. They're a management team, that's how things work.  

It will only be a matter of time before the "Marty cronyism" talk starts.

[flynismo]

11 hours ago, Inqui said:

Shouldn't you be posting on Facebook or something? Something more at your level?

That's truly uncalled for. Why do you want to ruin Facebook by sending him over there? It's bad enough we have to deal with him here.

Not that I use FB or Twitter much at all, but dang...

Edited October 11, 2016 by flynismo

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, Wisdom said:

Oh, here you go again.  I knew it would be only a matter of seconds before you and a few others come of calling.  LOL, Hilarious. 

My mistake. I forgot you're baseless opinion guy. Things like facts and logic have no business being in your world.

Troll on.

[January J]

I think bisciotti/ harbaugh and Ozzie are all in constant communication and very much on the same page. The writing was on the wall and they probably already had discussed this before the season even started. Harbaugh pulled the trigger and said enough is enough- but obviously Ozzie and Steve both felt the same and gave him the go ahead. They just all 3 seem to have a really good relationship. Harbaugh is not on the hotseat. If we miss the playoffs this year- next year might be his last chance to turn it around , and if he fails to do so they will probably mutually part ways... But that's all irrelevant and moot anyway BC I don't see anyway we miss the postseason two years in a row.

[BmoreRavens732]

I'm just waiting for us to drop this next game under Marty (not that I want us to or expect that) but Marty has less then a week to get some what settled in, but I guarantee if we some how lose there will be a huge uproar of fans saying Marty sucks we made a bad move blah blah blah. Remember folks, we dropped the first game under Caldwell before making that Superbowl run.

[ravensnick]

Trestman just needs to go back to Canada and stay there.

[jar2260]

14 hours ago, gtalk12 said:

 

Actually offensive line....but whatever. You are watching a completely different game then the rest of us....Flacco gets the ball out much faster than most Qb's in this league to make up for the fact his line gives out on him quickly....at no point until the very end did they call a play and ACTUALLY bring in more protect for flacco...

This is the same problem we have had for the last three years, I keep hoping that Ozzie find more dept in the OL!

[kpfeiffe]

14 hours ago, kjbmore said:

might be looking for more than just an OC if MM doesnt work out, prob a few jobs on the line on the back of the rest of this season

pretty sure harbs is on the hot seat and has a lot riding on this season, hence why he wasnt shy pulling the plug on trestman

why did we hire trestman to begin with??

 

I agree. Biscotti isn't going to stand for having the team (really the offense) booed off the filed at home on a regular basis. Harbaugh and Flacco will be sent packing if the offense can't improve.