Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[balfan23]

What is really critical is how the players respond to a coach and you can get the sense that the players were none too happy. I don't expect a dramatic change in offense out of the gate in terms of playbook - though I would expect some significant differences regarding the balance of plays and the number of long strikes we attempt. However, I will not be surprised if we see a significant difference in the results. If that's the case, you can bet it will be because the players will feel like they have gotten a breath of fresh air. 

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, playlikeawhat said:

I've yet to see a Joe hater answer this question (or something similar) credibly.  So, tell us again which overrated QB has consistently succeeded with Joe's quality of protection and/or 5 OCs in 9 years?

Exactly if Joe had the weapons Matt Ryan had with Jones, White, and Gonzalez he would have 3 rings. Everyone always has said we never have a number 1 WR or Pro Bowlers so how can anyone crush Joe over it. 

[Tank 92]

21 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

its the same system so going by that they should also must had receivers with no defender within 5 yards.

also are you really arguing that both of them are as good as brady and they only need more experience?

 

eh, has nothing to do with our convo, but I'm invoking a new self imposed rule to not talk about brady. I don't think he does anything that many QBs couldn't do, and many think otherwise, so I just get tired of having to repeat the same things over and over. 

[Wildabeast88]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

eh, has nothing to do with our convo, but I'm invoking a new self imposed rule to not talk about brady. I don't think he does anything that many QBs couldn't do, and many think otherwise, so I just get tired of having to repeat the same things over and over. 

Yep system QB even Matt Cassel was good in Belichick's system

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I don't think he does anything that many QBs couldn't do

Ever see Brady throw a perfect strike into triple coverage? Evade a pass rush for 6 seconds then either hit a bomb or break off a long scramble?

Me neither...

I have seen someone do both those things, more times than I can count...his name rhymes with Grow Tobacco

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[The Raven]

On 9/7/2016 at 10:03 AM, Tank 92 said:

Mike Preston.....smh.  What makes him write crap like this? 

 

On 9/7/2016 at 10:46 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

Pressure on Trestman and not Pees? That's ridiculous, I'd give Trestman another shot before Pees unless the offense is a complete disaster and that seems very bold given the talent on this offense. This honestly could be the best offense we've ever had which is why he would get fired if we do terribly bad. 

 

On 9/7/2016 at 11:02 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Preston's Baltimore sports version of TMZ. No real substance, just throws flaming doo doo at the wall and hopes it sticks with someone. 

Theres literally nothing to suggest Trestman's job is in jeopardy and the logic used to arrive at that conclusion... Well just isn't filled with much logic. 

Huh. Crazy how fast things change.

[gtalk12]

I do not really see what the issue is, Flacco needs help....when he got some protection during a post season he ended up winning a superbowl. Every QB in the league either needs weapons or an O-line. Since the SB, he's lost probably the most reliable set of hands he's ever had in Boldin, a healthy Pitta, and Ray Rice......that was alot to overcome....especially since the defense went downhill for a while and the offensive line losing Birk....As to how people expect him to be better or maintain with less is beyond me...

[Tank 92]

On 9/6/2016 at 7:31 PM, The Raven said:

Undeniably and unquestionably, yes, this is most definitely true. And we point fingers at defensive coordinators too. Hell, we point fingers at just about everyone that isn't a player. If something goes wrong, it's on the coordinator or position coach, not the player, unless the player's name is Joe Flacco, Michael Oher, Gino Gradkowski, or Cary Williams. Those are just about the only players that I remember getting routinely pointed out the past few years.

For whatever reason, our fans hate calling out players, but don't hesitate to call for a coach to be fired for a player's mistake.

 

9 minutes ago, The Raven said:

 

 

Huh. Crazy how fast things change.

yeah, no kidding. Who knew The T Man would suck so bad? Bears fans I guess.   lol

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, flynismo said:

I don't suppose that has something to do with Gronk being out, and Blount being on fire, while Brady was out? Not like NE missed Brady while he was gone; they were pitching shutouts and scoring at will with a second year QB at the helm. Brisset, well, seriously? When you suck that bad, there's not much the system can do for you. It's really not a secret that the system over there is the reason for that team's success. That's not a knock on Brady, he still has to go out there and make the plays that are called.

Also think it might have something to do with Brady starting for like 13 years and Jimmy G and Brissett never starting in their life? Crazy how experience changes things.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

why dont other players excel just as much as him in the same exact system?

neither cassel nor mallet nor garoppolo and certainly not brisset have even come close to excelling the way brady did in that system.

Well, in the case of Cassel, he had thrown like 50 passes in college and maybe 10 in regular season games since he was drafted. I mean really, no one expected a seventh round pick to even perform remotely well, but he had arguably his best season as a pro and played himself into a good contract.

Garoppolo has played in preseason games and never had a start before, yet in his first ever start, he embarrassed the Cardinals defense.

Brisset was a rookie who was widely viewed as a project.

I mean crazy that a player who had started for the 14 games or more in 14 seasons would perform better than players who had never started before in the NFL and one that had never even taken a meaningful NFL snap.

[K-Dog]

So my wife was asking about Mornhinweg. I told her as much as I could based on info gathered here.
My wife replied with "... Oh, so he is going to be a head coach somewhere else next year hunh ? " 
" Too early to tell babe, but I think this guy might make some cool things happen.... so I hope you are wrong. "

So we switched O.C's after a loss to the Skins.  Now we just need Steve Smith to step to the podium and say
"Today I told my team mates.... that this would be my last ride. "

 

[jazz1988]

38 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

why dont other players excel just as much as him in the same exact system?

neither cassel nor mallet nor garoppolo and certainly not brisset have even come close to excelling the way brady did in that system.

sure its a pretty good system but in the end the talent of the qb will eventually be the deciding factor into how much a person will excel in it.

its really no difference here.
put in mallet or schaub instead of flacco and we still won a game or 2 but neither played as good as flacco simply because they are not as good as flacco.

 

 

I'm not saying the system made Tom Brady what he is or suggesting that he isn't great . What i'm saying is by the time he was bought in the league he was place in a offensive system that he was able to grow into for many years of his career. Out of all the offensive coordinator Tom Brady has work with the offensive system has stayed the same and it's totally catered to his strength.  If you take Brady out of that system and put him in a Cam Cameron offense then I don't think he's  nearly as  successful because it doesn't fit his strength especially not today.

 

The reality of it all is I think every quarterback needs a set offensive system inorder to grow into and one that  can evolve around their strengths. I think that's one of the reason why  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady consistently  became the better quarterbacks in the league. Look at Alex Smith he was terrible before Jim Harbaugh came around but once he got into a offense that fit's his strength the guy started playing like a solid starting quarterback and even into this day he's playing in offensive schemes that fits him.

 

I wish Joe Flacco had a system that was staple and consistent throughout his career so far. It's one of the reason why I'm not feeling the firing of Marc Trestman so much especially if the new offensive coordinator doesn't work out. Even though Joe Flacco has been a solid starting quarterback and one of the best in league in my opinion it has been troubling for The Ravens to find a offensive coordinator to set a offensive system that we all can see being run for many years to come. I thought Gary Kubiak could be that guy but he wasn't around long enough to do so and it was no other candidate at the time already on the coaching staff that could replace him. 

[kpfeiffe]

1 minute ago, jazz1988 said:

 

I'm not saying the system made Tom Brady what he is or suggesting that he isn't great . What i'm saying is by the time he was bought in the league he was place in a offensive system that he was able to grow into for many years of his career. Out of all the offensive coordinator Tom Brady has work with the offensive system has stayed the same and it's totally catered to his strength.  If you take Brady out of that system and put him in a Cam Cameron offense then I don't think he's  nearly as  successful because it doesn't fit his strength especially not today.

 

The reality of it all is I think every quarterback needs a set offensive system inorder to grow into and one that  can evolve around their strengths. I think that's one of the reason why  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady consistently  became the better quarterbacks in the league. Look at Alex Smith he was terrible before Jim Harbaugh came around but once he got into a offense that fit's his strength the guy started playing like a solid starting quarterback and even into this day he's playing in offensive schemes that fits him.

 

I wish Joe Flacco had a system that was staple and consistent throughout his career so far. It's one of the reason why I'm not feeling the firing of Marc Trestman so much especially if the new offensive coordinator doesn't work out. Even though Joe Flacco has been a solid starting quarterback and one of the best in league in my opinion it has been troubling for The Ravens to find a offensive coordinator to set a offensive system that we all can see being run for many years to come. I thought Gary Kubiak could be that guy but he wasn't around long enough to do so and it was no other candidate at the time already on the coaching staff that could replace him. 

Too bad we couldn't have Kubiak as the HC. 

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, kpfeiffe said:

Too bad we couldn't have Kubiak as the HC. 

Because that worked out so well last time he was a HC.

[Cillmatic]

5 hours ago, flynismo said:

 

It will never end as long as people say inaccurate things like "He's a serviceable QB who's occasionally very good. Nothing more, nothing less."

So now Joe's not serviceable? Him being in the league for 8 years says otherwise... 

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Too bad we couldn't have Kubiak as the HC. 

Worked out well for the Texans didn't it?

 

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Cillmatic said:

So now Joe's not serviceable? Him being in the league for 8 years says otherwise... 

No he's an overpaid, mediocre scrub.

It's not like Flacco has broken dozens of records, led this team to a SB, won a SB MVP, garnered a reputation as THE qb you don't want to see facing your team when it matters, put together the single greatest postseason run of all time, along with Ryan is the reason why rookie QBs are expected to make an immediate impact now and won more games than all but a handful of QBs to ever play the game in his short time here.

Trestman should have taken him with him. Start Mallet.

[jazz1988]

2 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Too bad we couldn't have Kubiak as the HC. 

The last time I checked Harbaugh and Kubiak have the same amount of super bowl rings. It's just that Harbaugh record is better and he has more playoff success.

[loveravensfootball]

2 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Too bad we couldn't have Kubiak as the HC. 

 

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Because that worked out so well last time he was a HC.

I'm inclined to believe that Kubiak actually learned something from his short stay in Baltimore because he clearly isn't the same coach that he was in Houston. Either that or Elway has something to do with it.

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, loveravensfootball said:

 

I'm inclined to believe that Kubiak actually learned something from his short stay in Baltimore because he clearly isn't the same coach that he was in Houston. Either that or Elway has something to do with it.

If he learned something during his time here, he learned it from Harbaugh.

Really, who cares anyway? We already have one of the best in the business.

[rmcjacket23]

44 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

So my wife was asking about Mornhinweg. I told her as much as I could based on info gathered here.
My wife replied with "... Oh, so he is going to be a head coach somewhere else next year hunh ? " 
" Too early to tell babe, but I think this guy might make some cool things happen.... so I hope you are wrong. "

So we switched O.C's after a loss to the Skins.  Now we just need Steve Smith to step to the podium and say
"Today I told my team mates.... that this would be my last ride. "

 

I don't think Marty is the kind of guy we have to worry about being snagged for a HC gig, probably regardless of how well he does.

He's in the Todd Haley class of coaches. Good offensive mind, but a really poor HC.

 

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, loveravensfootball said:

 

I'm inclined to believe that Kubiak actually learned something from his short stay in Baltimore because he clearly isn't the same coach that he was in Houston. Either that or Elway has something to do with it.

Or the team he coached in Denver as opposed to Houston.

[loveravensfootball]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

If he learned something during his time here, he learned it from Harbaugh.

Really, who cares anyway? We already have one of the best in the business.

 

I don't disagree. Just pointing out to the previous poster that Kubiak wouldn't have been the same coach without coming here and learning from one of the best head coaches in the business. 

[flynismo]

Just now, loveravensfootball said:

I don't disagree. Just pointing out to the previous poster that Kubiak wouldn't have been the same coach without coming here and learning from one of the best head coaches in the business. 

Ah sorry, I misinterpreted...I basically just repeated what you said..

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Or the team he coached in Denver as opposed to Houston.

Still today, I have zero idea what I was supposed to be impressed by from Kubiak last season. 

The offense, which is supposed to be his specialty, gets worse in just about every area last season. Yet, he's a great coach because his team won a SB.

Very odd way of evaluating a coach. In fact, I'd call him Trent Dilfer of head coaches.

Edited October 11, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Still today, I have zero idea what I was supposed to be impressed by from Kubiak last season. 

The offense, which is supposed to be his specialty, gets worse in just about every area last season. Yet, he's a great coach because his team won a SB.

Very odd way of evaluating a coach.

Well, he showed in Baltimore what he can do with the offense. In Denver he had to play with QB who wasn't at the NFL level any longer.

 

[loveravensfootball]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Ah sorry, I misinterpreted...I basically just repeated what you said..

It happens, I could have phrased it more explicitly. 

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Well, he showed in Baltimore what he can do with the offense. In Denver he had to play with QB who wasn't at the NFL level any longer.

 

And his offensive line played worse and they were ineffective at running the ball...which are supposed to his two biggest strengths. Improvement there this season, but I didn't see anything great offensively last season, and with no shortage of offensive talent.

[gtalk12]

28 minutes ago, loveravensfootball said:

 

I'm inclined to believe that Kubiak actually learned something from his short stay in Baltimore because he clearly isn't the same coach that he was in Houston. Either that or Elway has something to do with it.

that and the fact he went to a team that had A MONSTER DEFENSE and was ALREADY considered the team to beat....that team was ready, Kubiak or not

[Wisdom]

They can make Trestman the scapegoat if they want to but it wasn't Trestman who accepted the penalty against the raiders and it wasn't Trestman who called for the fake field goal with Tucker lined up on the opposite side.......it was Harbaugh.........and it wasn't Trestman throwing the ball high and late to receivers a few yards in front him it was slow below average Flacco....

You guys talked out of both sides of your mouth always looking for a scapegoat for the Ravens inept offense.  Seems to me the common denominator in the Cam and Trestman firing is none other than Flacco.   It's a shame trestman didn't take flacco with him!