Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[jboy19]

5 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

Blah blah blah. Get over it. He's our QB, he's gonna be our QB, and you're in the extreme minority of those who think he should go. 

What's your answer to replacing Joe? I've asked before, but you seem to be in short supply of actual solutions. 

Life Hack: If you see a post by Sami84... don't read it. 

[rmcjacket23]

23 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

tom brady on this team is an easy 5-0..no nail biters and you know it.

Of course, largely because of the personnel around him. Especially the defense.

[playlikeawhat]

13 minutes ago, DenverRaven said:

Blah blah blah. Get over it. He's our QB, he's gonna be our QB, and you're in the extreme minority of those who think he should go. 

What's your answer to replacing Joe? I've asked before, but you seem to be in short supply of actual solutions. 

I've yet to see a Joe hater answer this question (or something similar) credibly.  So, tell us again which overrated QB has consistently succeeded with Joe's quality of protection and/or 5 OCs in 9 years?

[flynismo]

20 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Can we just end this flacco stuff now?

He's a serviceable QB who's occasionally very good. Nothing more, nothing less.

Chances of finding a QB better than that ain't easy.

 

It will never end as long as people say inaccurate things like "He's a serviceable QB who's occasionally very good. Nothing more, nothing less."

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, playlikeawhat said:

I've yet to see a Joe hater answer this question (or something similar) credibly.  So, tell us again which overrated QB has consistently succeeded with Joe's quality of protection and/or 5 OCs in 9 years?

Spoiler alert: Your question will also be ignored, since answering it truthfully will fly in the face of their propoganda.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[The Mom Gene]

32 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

tom brady on this team is an easy 5-0..no nail biters and you know it.

THAT says more about the system than it does the QB.  If anything it actually diminishes Br*dy himself.   When your backup and your 3rd (Practice Squad) QB can win games when you and your oversized TE are out...  that questions everything about his abilties.....  I credit Belichick.

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

he was on course for interception madness last year until his injuries. Flaccos seasons are as follows

2008: C

2009: B-

2010: B+

2011: C-

2012: C-

2013: F

2014: B+

2015: D

2016: C-

 

he's an average QB with a big arm that has a spurt here or there. His spurt game in the post season in 2012. We also had to rely on some amazing plays from boldin and jones. Flacco should still be paying those guys some..

 

Ok. So in that super bowl run... Name a play where flacco deserves less credit than the wr aside from the pass to jacoby in the super bowl and the end of half pass to torrey against Denver...

Those passes were on the money and as dead on target as any qb could make, examples... All the TD passes vs NE, the first 2 vs SF, the 2 clutch throws to boldin and pitta vs denver late, the first td pass to torrey vs denver, all the passes vs Indy especially the deep back shoulder fade to boldin, the audible late in the super bowl where boldin made a great catch but flacco made an even greater throw and an audible more ballsy than just about any qb would make.. 

So, 2 throws he was bailed out on, mostly every other throw was either an equal effort or just an incredibly placed pass by Joe.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, The Mom Gene said:

THAT says more about the system than it does the QB.  If anything it actually diminishes Br*dy himself.   When your backup and your 3rd (Practice Squad) QB can win games when you and your oversized TE are out...  that questions everything about his abilties.....  I credit Belichick.

the statistics that brady puts up in that system compared to those other players in that same system tell an entire different story.

brisset looked horrible and did not even threw a single TD in 2 games.
garopollo had 460 yards and 2 TD in 2 games as the starter.

brady in an single game had 400 yards and 3 TD......

 

 

 

[Ravenseconbeast]

2 hours ago, playlikeawhat said:

I've yet to see a Joe hater answer this question (or something similar) credibly.  So, tell us again which overrated QB has consistently succeeded with Joe's quality of protection and/or 5 OCs in 9 years?

Ive answered this several times.   You draft a new QB.  

Ravens are perfectly capable of being patient to groom a new QB and give him time to develop. 

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Ive answered this several times.   You draft a new QB.  

Ravens are perfectly capable of being patient to groom a new QB and give him time to develop. 

Whew I feel better now. I never knew it was that easy, but my mind is now at ease. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Ok. So in that super bowl run... Name a play where flacco deserves less credit than the wr aside from the pass to jacoby in the super bowl and the end of half pass to torrey against Denver...

Those passes were on the money and as dead on target as any qb could make, examples... All the TD passes vs NE, the first 2 vs SF, the 2 clutch throws to boldin and pitta vs denver late, the first td pass to torrey vs denver, all the passes vs Indy especially the deep back shoulder fade to boldin, the audible late in the super bowl where boldin made a great catch but flacco made an even greater throw and an audible more ballsy than just about any qb would make.. 

So, 2 throws he was bailed out on, mostly every other throw was either an equal effort or just an incredibly placed pass by Joe.

Flacco superbowl run is one of the best.

That is fine and dandy.   But now he is a 120M QB.   His going near a decade of being a franchise QB and he isn't holding onto his own weight when it comes to how much he is getting paid. 

 

Flacco got plenty of money.  He will be fine.  Let's grab a QB from draft, get some solid picks from trade and finally start improving this offense.   

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Whew I feel better now. I never knew it was that easy, but my mind is now at ease. 

lmao! It's even funnier because he didn't even answer the question he quoted...

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[flynismo]

54 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

the statistics that brady puts up in that system compared to those other players in that same system tell an entire different story.

brisset looked horrible and did not even threw a single TD in 2 games.
garopollo had 460 yards and 2 TD in 2 games as the starter.

brady in an single game had 400 yards and 3 TD......

 

 

 

I don't suppose that has something to do with Gronk being out, and Blount being on fire, while Brady was out? Not like NE missed Brady while he was gone; they were pitching shutouts and scoring at will with a second year QB at the helm. Brisset, well, seriously? When you suck that bad, there's not much the system can do for you. It's really not a secret that the system over there is the reason for that team's success. That's not a knock on Brady, he still has to go out there and make the plays that are called.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Flacco superbowl run is one of the best.

That is fine and dandy.   But now he is a 120M QB.   His going near a decade of being a franchise QB and he isn't holding onto his own weight when it comes to how much he is getting paid. 

 

Flacco got plenty of money.  He will be fine.  Let's grab a QB from draft, get some solid picks from trade and finally start improving this offense.   

Trade flacco to make this offense better... Seems counterproductive. Plus I'm sure a team picking first overall in 2017 is willing to trade the top pick for Joe flacco and his contract rather than take a rookie with a rookie deal.

And I'm sure whatever qb we would take is automatically gonna be great, because rookie busts at qb never happen.

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I don't suppose that has something to do with Gronk being out, and Blount being on fire, while Brady was out?

That's the great thing about stats - they can always be presented to suit. 

 

[Tru11]

12 minutes ago, flynismo said:

I don't suppose that has something to do with Gronk being out, and Blount being on fire, while Brady was out?

you are arguing brisset would have thrown for 400 yards and 3 TD in 1 game if gronk would have played?

you seriously want to argue that the difference between brady and those 2 is just gronk?

i have a hard time believing either garoppolo or brisset would play on the same level brady has if they  had gronk....

i personally believe that most of it has to do with brady being a much and much better QB then either of them.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Tru11

[flynismo]

Just now, allblackraven said:

That's the great thing about stats - they can always be presented to suit. 

 

yep. Stats are for chumps and FF

[Tru11]

Just now, allblackraven said:

That's the great thing about stats - they can always be presented to suit. 

 

well if people cant see with their own 2 eyes that brady is a much better QB then garoppolo and brisset then well i guess stats are the next best thing other then suggesting they should get a pair of glasses .....

 

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, flynismo said:

yep. Stats are for chumps and FF

What I want to know is how accurate was ball pressure checking in Cleveland

[flynismo]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

What I want to know is how accurate was ball pressure checking in Cleveland

We'll never know since Queen Brady broke her phone right after the game

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[jazz1988]

10 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

the statistics that brady puts up in that system compared to those other players in that same system tell an entire different story.

brisset looked horrible and did not even threw a single TD in 2 games.
garopollo had 460 yards and 2 TD in 2 games as the starter.

brady in an single game had 400 yards and 3 TD......

 

 

 

True but the reality of it all is that Tom Brady excels in that offensive system. I don't think he will be the same type of player if he played in a different offensive system .  The system quarterback thing is somewhat overrated because Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and etc have all excelled and operated in a certain offensive system for majority of their career. I honestly wish The Ravens had got a offensive coordinator  during Joe Flacco rookie season who could set a offensive system in which Flacco could have grown into over the years and excel in.

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

True but the reality of it all is that Tom Brady excels in that offensive system. I don't think he will be the same type of player if he played in a different offensive system .  The system quarterback thing is somewhat overrated because Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and etc have all excelled and operated in a certain offensive system for majority of their career. I honestly wish The Ravens had got a offensive coordinator  during Joe Flacco rookie season who could set a offensive system in which Flacco could have grown into over the years and excel in.

why dont other players excel just as much as him in the same exact system?

neither cassel nor mallet nor garoppolo and certainly not brisset have even come close to excelling the way brady did in that system.

sure its a pretty good system but in the end the talent of the qb will eventually be the deciding factor into how much a person will excel in it.

its really no difference here.
put in mallet or schaub instead of flacco and we still won a game or 2 but neither played as good as flacco simply because they are not as good as flacco.

 

[flynismo]

37 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

you are arguing brisset would have thrown for 400 yards and 3 TD in 1 game if gronk would have played?

you seriously want to argue that the difference between brady and those 2 is just gronk?

i have a hard time believing either garoppolo or brisset would play on the same level brady has if they  had gronk....

i personally believe that most of it has to do with brady being a much and much better QB then either of them.

I didn't make any assertment, I asked a question. I have no clue what would have happened had Gronk been there for Garoppolo, neither do you.

What we do know is that NE did not skip a beat during Brady's absence. We also know that having the guy who some say is the best TE to ever play would have been nice for Garoppolo's stat line, if stats are supposed to be the end all for player evaluation.  

Fun fact: NE is 14-6 without Brady.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

the statistics that brady puts up in that system compared to those other players in that same system tell an entire different story.

brisset looked horrible and did not even threw a single TD in 2 games.
garopollo had 460 yards and 2 TD in 2 games as the starter.

brady in an single game had 400 yards and 3 TD......

 

 

 

How many games have they played in that system?  Or in the NFL for that matter.  'cmon, that's not a fair analogy/assessment.

I watched the highlights from the pats browns game.  I didn't see one pass completion where there was a defender within 5 yards of the receiver. That kinda makes things a bit easier. Wouldn't you agree?

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

How many games have they played in that system?  Or in the NFL for that matter.  'cmon, that's not a fair analogy/assessment.

I wasn't even going to go there...just the fact that we are legitimately having this discussion speaks volumes.

[balfan23]

This move has sent shock waves through the sports world. ESPN mentioned it as their 34th item on the NFL home page under a raft of Romo v. Prescott commentary and others such items as Antonio Brown's cleats and Joey Bosa getting 2 sacks. 

[Tru11]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

How many games have they played in that system?  Or in the NFL for that matter.  'cmon, that's not a fair analogy/assessment.

I watched the highlights from the pats browns game.  I didn't see one pass completion where there was a defender within 5 yards of the receiver. That kinda makes things a bit easier. Wouldn't you agree?

its the same system so going by that they should also must had receivers with no defender within 5 yards.

also are you really arguing that both of them are as good as brady and they only need more experience?

 

[hawkprey]

Not to interrupt the Flacco debates but I actually wasn't surprised by this move. I guess that Chicago beat writer who said year 2 under Trestman would be terrible was correct. It's just baffling how someone that smart can fail the same way twice. Too many screen passes and not enough run plays is exactly what got him fired from the Bears.

[flynismo]

7 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

This move has sent shock waves through the sports world. ESPN mentioned it as their 34th item on the NFL home page under a raft of Romo v. Prescott commentary and others such items as Antonio Brown's cleats and Joey Bosa getting 2 sacks. 

hey that actually is impressive considering the usual coverage we get from them:

[gtalk12]

man that was a poor showing offensively....at no point till the very end did he make any calls to protect Flacco a bit more to make some deep throws WHICH HE ENDED UP DOING...smh