Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[kpfeiffe]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

except we've only fired two of the four we've had. The other two were hired as head coaches. Nice try though.. 

Oh - sorry. Jim Caldwell was the OC for the 8-8 2013 season. We were an offensive juggernaut (just kidding, we sucked that year on offense too). He was going to be fired and was mysteriously hired by the Lions. Enter Kubiak - the only OC that had any success here. He was OC for 1 year. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

6 minutes ago, berad said:

We've only 'fired' two offensive coordinators in the past 8 years. Two moved up to HC jobs, on the shoulder of the supposed 'problem'

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Is-Joe-Flacco-Elite-Gary-Kubiaks-Awesome-Answer/6de274e6-b58d-4ec7-ac7e-acb0fed583d4

Even with Ryan Tannenhill former coaches will not say bad thing about them.  That's just business and being professional.   

 

And Gary is having a great time with Denver.  Whole Ravens experience for him was great.  He also had great thing to say about Matt(ex-texan QB)  Why would he say anything negative?   

[JoeyFlex5]

52 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Eh, I liked the zone blocking. It's a simpler scheme with simple blocking rules. Considering we averaged 8 yards a clip...

Bouncing runs is a built-in part of the scheme, so I wouldn't say that's a failure.

stretch zone is simple, inside is not. 

bouncing runs is a built in part of the scheme as a last resort, when none of the 4 lanes between the tackles materialize, and it also can have a high failure rate because often the TE is singled up on the farthest edge defender. it also makes smaller running lanes and very cluttered front seven, and if the holes form slowly then the RB is stuck shuffling around and if he hits the line early the play is doomed for failure because the defenders get to play with more power and leverage than they would against a gap scheme because you arent trying to blast them off of the line, its not like a gap or power scheme where the defenders are on their heels and the RB gets a head of steam, or a stretch scheme where every defender has to maintain gap discipline and the RB can challenge both edges by staying mobile. 

we also faced a horrible defense, and west was embarrassing defenders. he deserves a lot more credit than the OL or the scheme for the past 2 weeks.

[berad]

3 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Even with Ryan Tannenhill former coaches will not say bad thing about them.  That's just business and being professional.   

 

And Gary is having a great time with Denver.  Whole Ravens experience for him was great.  He also had great thing to say about Matt(ex-texan QB)  Why would he say anything negative?   

Why would he be so effusive if he did not believe it?

Gary said he would only leave Baltimore for 1 job and it just so happened he was offered it. About a year later, he's hoisting a Lombardi trophy. Hard not to feel good for Gary!

[rmcjacket23]

22 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

We fire OCs like Browns fire HCs and QBs.   

It's clear to me where problem lies. Marty will be the next scapegoat if production won't pan out. 

The next OC(whoever/however great he past repetoir)  will be the scapegoat.   

I am however glad Trestman  is gone.  Never thought he was a good hire.  

I wonder who we will pick as our new OC next year,  but it's not going to be easy knowing that we have a history of firing OCs abruptly when Flacco stinks it up.   Hard to trust Ravens organization that his job will be secure. 

A good attempt by you, but doesn't really hold up logically.

Specifically, 2010-2012 were three of the better seasons in Joe's career, and good seasons by just about any QB metric, so wouldn't make sense that Cam were fired because of Joe.

 

[TSizzle00]

Hopefully no more 5-10 yard routes on 3rd/4th and 20.

[FerrariFan87]

This had to be done. The offense was stagnant and the players looked clueless and lethargic. Now, some of that has to be on Harbaugh, who has cost us the last two games, basically by himself. I don't see him surviving much longer, assuming we miss the playoffs again. Too many critical coaching errors.

[ravens rule]

I tried to defend Trestman last week but the last 3 quarters of yesterdays game got me heated. I'm glad this was done now but we are still leaving too many plays on the field. That stuff is not Trestman.

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

8 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

A good attempt by you, but doesn't really hold up logically.

Specifically, 2010-2012 were three of the better seasons in Joe's career, and good seasons by just about any QB metric, so wouldn't make sense that Cam were fired because of Joe.

 

 

 

 

 

urrr.. 2011 and 2012 ( not in post-season) were pretty mediocre. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Sami84

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

 

urrr.. 2011 and 2012 ( not in post season) were pretty mediocre. 

All I care about is the postseason. You can have a blind monkey at QB and make the playoffs... that happens annually.

Nothing impressive about big time stats in October against the Lions.

 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

25 minutes ago, kpfeiffe said:

Oh - sorry. Jim Caldwell was the OC for the 8-8 2013 season. We were an offensive juggernaut (just kidding, we sucked that year on offense too). He was going to be fired and was mysteriously hired by the Lions. Enter Kubiak - the only OC that had any success here. He was OC for 1 year. 

Poor personel was a bigger culprit that season imo. I wasn't an advocate to fire Caldwell. Remember, that season the oline was historically bad(we had Gino and AQ starting at one point, with Oher who's a turnstile). Gary was a lot better but Caldwell didn't really have much to work with.

[BSHU_Miami]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

True.  I know it would never happen, but imagine if Jim came in as OC...

Zorn? 

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, TSizzle00 said:

Hopefully no more 5-10 yard routes on 3rd/4th and 20.

Well, in his defense, that's not going to change. Pretty standard for teams league-wise. You're just not going to convert 3rd and 20 very often without some sort of penalty, and turnovers happen often when teams just throw deep just for the sake of it.

There's a reason why when its 3rd and 10, the defenders sit right at about 9-10 yards off the ball.

[loveravensfootball]

Just now, BSHU_Miami said:

Zorn? 

I think he meant Harbaugh. 

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

All I care about is the postseason. You can have a blind monkey at QB and make the playoffs... that happens annually.

Nothing impressive about big time stats in October against the Lions.

 

 

yeah but now joe cant seem to get to the post season because his regular season form is sheer c-rap

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

yeah but now joe cant seem to get to the post season because his regular season form is sheer c-rap

1 of 53 guys on a roster folks. Try to keep up. Tom Brady and 52 other bad football players ain't making the playoffs kids. Its 2016. Time to get with the program.

If he's not playing well, I guess somebody else on the team may just have to do better at their position. You know, maybe act like a team?

Lord knows Joe has bailed out this defense many times in the past, and vice versa. Welcome to the NFL.

Edited October 10, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[callahan09]

After watching the games and analyzing what's really happening on the field, my controversial statement that I want to make is that Joe Flacco is playing some of the best football of his career.  It isn't showing up in the stats for multiple reasons.  Horrible play calling, receivers not getting any separation, receivers dropping key passes, and awful pass protection.  He's doing everything you could really ask of him.  He was making pinpoint accurate throws with plus pocket awareness and a quick release yesterday.  He did so on the vast majority of his passing attempts.  8 out of 16 incompletions were in and out of the hands of his recivers.  Most of the rest were under pressure and with tight downfield coverage.  He's doing his job in the most clutch situations where he needs to put the ball where it needs to be, and his receivers are letting him down.  The stats don't tell you a damn thing about Joe Flacco.  You have to watch each and every play and analyze what transpired on the merits of how was his protection, how was the coverage, did his receiver run the route correctly, did his receiver catch the ball when it was in his radius?  And the answer to all of our problems is that more often than not, one or more of those things is not helping Joe out.  If some of those dropped passes yesterday were caught, we're having a completely different conversation today.  How is that Joe's fault?  He's quietly showing great improvement in his pocket presence, quickness of release, decision-making, and accuracy, and none of it is showing up in the stat sheet, except for a couple of key areas: He's having the best year of his career in interception percentage, and if you account for dropped passes, then accuracy percentage as well (raw completion percentage is up there as well, only behind last year so far).

Edited October 10, 2016 by callahan09

[flynismo]

47 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

you dont have to convince me lol im joes biggest fan. sami just seems to think that because flacco isnt putitng up drew brees/tom brady numbers that hes just average. when i said he isnt a top qb i meant nobody is putting him in the discussion for best qb in the league, not even close, ravens fans dont even do that. 

i was just pointing out that flacco is a very good qb who has inconsistencies and requires a bit more help from the team than those other qb's who throw for 4500+ yards every year, which is fine, you can win with joe flacco, and you can win big, and he can do us a lot of favors come playoff time when we really need him to play smart and sound, so calling him just average and saying he holds us back when he has very little talent around him and a god awful OC is just way off base.

Hey, no, that was more for the person you were talking to, not directed at you. The only part directed at you was the "he is a top QB" part.

[flynismo]

3 minutes ago, callahan09 said:

After watching the games and analyzing what's really happening on the field, my controversial statement that I want to make is that Joe Flacco is playing some of the best football of his career.  It isn't showing up in the stats for multiple reasons.  Horrible play calling, receivers not getting any separation, receivers dropping key passes, and awful pass protection.  He's doing everything you could really ask of him.  He was making pinpoint accurate throws with plus pocket awareness and a quick release yesterday.  He did so on the vast majority of his passing attempts.  8 out of 16 incompletions were in and out of the hands of his recivers.  Most of the rest were under pressure and with tight downfield coverage.  He's doing his job in the most clutch situations where he needs to put the ball where it needs to be, and his receivers are letting him down.  The stats don't tell you a damn thing about Joe Flacco.  You have to watch each and every play and analyze what transpired on the merits of how was his protection, how was the coverage, did his receiver run the route correctly, did his receiver catch the ball when it was in his radius?  And the answer to all of our problems is that more often than not, one or more of those things is not helping Joe out.  If some of those dropped passes yesterday were caught, we're having a completely different conversation today.  How is that Joe's fault?  He's quietly showing great improvement in his pocket presence, quickness of release, decision-making, and accuracy, and none of it is showing up in the stat sheet, except for a couple of key areas: He's having the best year of his career in interception percentage, and if you account for dropped passes, then accuracy percentage as well (raw completion percentage is up there as well, only behind last year so far).

The only thing that makes that controversial is that too many people don't know their heads from their rears. If more people had any sense, there would be no controversy to what you said, just mild disagreements here and there. For the record, count me among those who mildly disagree, but I acknowledge that you present a strong case.

[PurpleCity5]

Trestman seems like the kind of guy who makes things more difficult than they need be. . 

[jboy19]

22 minutes ago, callahan09 said:

After watching the games and analyzing what's really happening on the field, my controversial statement that I want to make is that Joe Flacco is playing some of the best football of his career.  It isn't showing up in the stats for multiple reasons.  Horrible play calling, receivers not getting any separation, receivers dropping key passes, and awful pass protection.  He's doing everything you could really ask of him.  He was making pinpoint accurate throws with plus pocket awareness and a quick release yesterday.  He did so on the vast majority of his passing attempts.  8 out of 16 incompletions were in and out of the hands of his recivers.  Most of the rest were under pressure and with tight downfield coverage.  He's doing his job in the most clutch situations where he needs to put the ball where it needs to be, and his receivers are letting him down.  The stats don't tell you a damn thing about Joe Flacco.  You have to watch each and every play and analyze what transpired on the merits of how was his protection, how was the coverage, did his receiver run the route correctly, did his receiver catch the ball when it was in his radius?  And the answer to all of our problems is that more often than not, one or more of those things is not helping Joe out.  If some of those dropped passes yesterday were caught, we're having a completely different conversation today.  How is that Joe's fault?  He's quietly showing great improvement in his pocket presence, quickness of release, decision-making, and accuracy, and none of it is showing up in the stat sheet, except for a couple of key areas: He's having the best year of his career in interception percentage, and if you account for dropped passes, then accuracy percentage as well (raw completion percentage is up there as well, only behind last year so far).

The "stats is bae" population is a vast, vicious group of people. You're brave for taking them on. I commend you. 

My only big criticism of Flacco is that he's becoming king of the checkdown too often because I don't think he trusts his receivers to make difficult catches (which is reasonable to believe), but I think he needs to give them some chances if the offense is really going to take off. Overall I think he's played pretty well though. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, redrum52 said:

True.  I know it would never happen, but imagine if Jim came in as OC...

Id give it til the coin toss before jim has John in a headlock yelling "I'm the head coach now!"

[Sami84]

33 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1 of 53 guys on a roster folks. Try to keep up. Tom Brady and 52 other bad football players ain't making the playoffs kids. Its 2016. Time to get with the program.

If he's not playing well, I guess somebody else on the team may just have to do better at their position. You know, maybe act like a team?

Lord knows Joe has bailed out this defense many times in the past, and vice versa. Welcome to the NFL.

 

tom brady on this team is an easy 5-0..no nail biters and you know it.

[Edug27]

2 hours ago, Sami84 said:

yeah...we havent exactly got a high benchmark in those years prior..its not like it be hard to beat..

Flaccos job is to lead this offense and do whatever it takes to win ball games. Might not be pretty, but he's been pretty successful at doing so in his 8.5 seasons here. 

Post Super Bowl, he's had 2 rough seasons in 2013 and 2015 and 1 really good one in 2014. There's plenty of blame to go around. Too early to write this season off... Still a game out of the division. One week at a time.

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Hey, no, that was more for the person you were talking to, not directed at you. The only part directed at you was the "he is a top QB" part.

Gotcha lol

[Sami84]

2 minutes ago, Edug27 said:

Flaccos job is to lead this offense and do whatever it takes to win ball games. Might not be pretty, but he's been pretty successful at doing so in his 8.5 seasons here. 

Post Super Bowl, he's had 2 rough seasons in 2013 and 2015 and 1 really good one in 2014. There's plenty of blame to go around. Too early to write this season off... Still a game out of the division. One week at a time.

 

he was on course for interception madness last year until his injuries. Flaccos seasons are as follows

2008: C

2009: B-

2010: B+

2011: C-

2012: C-

2013: F

2014: B+

2015: D

2016: C-

 

he's an average QB with a big arm that has a spurt here or there. His spurt game in the post season in 2012. We also had to rely on some amazing plays from boldin and jones. Flacco should still be paying those guys some..

 

[Cillmatic]

Can we just end this flacco stuff now?

He's a serviceable QB who's occasionally very good. Nothing more, nothing less.

Chances of finding a QB better than that ain't easy.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Cillmatic

[DenverRaven]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

he was on course for interception madness last year until his injuries. Flaccos seasons are as follows

2008: C

2009: B-

2010: B+

2011: C-

2012: C-

2013: F

2014: B+

2015: D

2016: C-

 

he's an average QB with a big arm that has a spurt here or there. His spurt game in the post season in 2012. We also had to rely on some amazing plays from boldin and jones. Flacco should still be paying those guys some..

 

Blah blah blah. Get over it. He's our QB, he's gonna be our QB, and you're in the extreme minority of those who think he should go. 

What's your answer to replacing Joe? I've asked before, but you seem to be in short supply of actual solutions. 

[Edug27]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

he was on course for interception madness last year until his injuries. Flaccos seasons are as follows

2008: C

2009: B-

2010: B+

2011: C-

2012: C-

2013: F

2014: B+

2015: D

2016: C-

 

he's an average QB with a big arm that has a spurt here or there. His spurt game in the post season in 2012. We also had to rely on some amazing plays from boldin and jones. Flacco should still be paying those guys some..

 

2012 was higher than a C-. Don't be a clown. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, DenverRaven said:

Blah blah blah. Get over it. He's our QB, he's gonna be our QB, and you're in the extreme minority of those who think he should go. 

What's your answer to replacing Joe? I've asked before, but you seem to be in short supply of actual solutions. 

Because he thinks his opinion is more valid..

 

Im all the more glad he and other fans do not run this team. We've had slip ups recently, but my god. His eye test doesn't account for a good history in the playoffs, and football is a TEAM sport. Flacco isn't the reason we didn't make it last year. 

 

Smh