Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[JoeyFlex5]

Quote from Russell street report: 

Ozzie: "we have to let you go, run Marc... Run away and never come back"

Marc: "no thanks, I'll pass" 

 

Ohhhhhhh God too much

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, BSHU_Miami said:

I never said mid-season. I was replying to the person that said we'll end up blaming morningwig. We should be looking for upgrades regardless.

True.  I know it would never happen, but imagine if Jim came in as OC...

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, The Raven said:

It looked a lot better yesterday than it has looked previously, I'll say that. I think we're starting to mesh.

Also, thank god Trestman's gone. He's just a disaster of a coordinator.

Yeah it did look good but you also saw the scheme itself fail and West bounced outside and made guys miss often. It came together a good bit but it's a really complicated scheme and the run game is supposed to be simple. 

Personally with our backup patchwork line we had by the 4th quarter, power man blocking would've been the best bet, we had zero athleticism out there but tons of mauling power.

[flynismo]

11 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he's not a top qb who can throw it 50 times a week and win every time

He absolutely is a top QB; and also, I'd love to see any QB throw it 50 times a week and win with any consistency. The great QBs become great when you put them in an environment that breeds success. 

A lot of people here have long said that Joe plays at his best when the running game is working (well, duh) and he is only throwing 27 - 32 times a game. That does not mean he isn't talented, it simply means throwing the ball too much makes the entire offense too predictable, too easy to defend.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

The problem with Trestman is, he did not draw up a game plan, knowing the Oline sucks. Never knew when to run. How often to run, when to play action, or what routes to call on pass plays to get the ball out quick....every team runs crossing routes but us

[The Raven]

13 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah it did look good but you also saw the scheme itself fail and West bounced outside and made guys miss often. It came together a good bit but it's a really complicated scheme and the run game is supposed to be simple. 

Personally with our backup patchwork line we had by the 4th quarter, power man blocking would've been the best bet, we had zero athleticism out there but tons of mauling power.

Eh, I liked the zone blocking. It's a simpler scheme with simple blocking rules. Considering we averaged 8 yards a clip...

Bouncing runs is a built-in part of the scheme, so I wouldn't say that's a failure.

Edited October 10, 2016 by The Raven

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Kubiak brought us the Stretch Zone scheme ...... Not Trestman... trestman brought us oh heck I am not sure what he brought us besides the need for a cardiologist on staff for the fans and announcers....

[terrynjulia03]

28 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

really..it will happen..eventually when theres 3 more OC's that come and go in the next 3 years people here who love flacco will say..''maybe its joe...;(''

 

wont matter though..he'll have 4 more babies and have his hundreds of millions and laugh it off in happy retirement and with no more SB appearances to show for it.

At least check your stats. Damn, as bad as NFL.com. The Ravens with Joe since he came in are, in order of years, 11th, 9, 16, 12, 10, 25, 8, 25(injured).  2013 when we were 25th was the purge year, so besides that we've been on average 11th in the league over his span. 

[RavensFan34950]

So does that mean no more empty backfields on 3rd and 2?

[TheRavenouseD2008]

1 minute ago, RavensFan34950 said:

So does that mean no more empty backfields on 3rd and 2?

no this means medic units will have less work on 3rd and 2 ........ or in the 4th quarter .... and less tvs will need to be replaced.....

[Rav'n Maniac]

You know although this was a good move, i still feel really bummed. It's great to see Harbs show he has a pair and to see him make the move before the locker room was lost. I'm just disappointed it didn't happen sooner, like maybe 2 weeks ago or better yet, 5 weeks ago. Knowing we were in the driver's seat and so close to being 5-0 really sucks. I hope moving Marty in gives us the results we need in the short term and allows us a shot at making the playoffs.

[cobrajet]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Wallace wasnt being used properly. Perriman still needs time. Running the ball more makes everyone better in the pass game. TE screens don't work. Getting rid of trestman could very well fix all of this. Hopefully harbs tells Marty to stick with the hot hand at all times, if West is getting 8 YPC then give him the ball, use that for play action and take advantage of the good run game, that's how you turn an offense into a system, keep different parts feeding off of each other.

I agree, if something is working well you don't abandon it. If you got a good rhythym going you do your best to keep it going, not disrupt it. IMHO, this is simple Coaching 101.

[rmcjacket23]

2 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

You know although this was a good move, i still feel really bummed. It's great to see Harbs show he has a pair and to see him make the move before the locker room was lost. I'm just disappointed it didn't happen sooner, like maybe 2 weeks ago or better yet, 5 weeks ago. Knowing we were in the driver's seat and so close to being 5-0 really sucks. I hope moving Marty in gives us the results we need in the short term and allows us a shot at making the playoffs.

As bad as our offense has been, there's a lot of other mistakes and missed plays that were made in the last few weeks that had nothing to do with the offense.

ST has been bad for weeks now.

[PuRock]

7 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

So does that mean no more empty backfields on 3rd and 2?

There were too many of these this season.  Not even an ounce of guessing is needed by the defense when Joe is in shotgun in an empty backfield.  At least present the notion you might run, maybe even QB sneak.  Who knows?  Try and figure it out.  But Trestman thought it would be best to let the defense know our plans.      

[PuRock]

4 minutes ago, Rav'n Maniac said:

You know although this was a good move, i still feel really bummed. It's great to see Harbs show he has a pair and to see him make the move before the locker room was lost. I'm just disappointed it didn't happen sooner, like maybe 2 weeks ago or better yet, 5 weeks ago. Knowing we were in the driver's seat and so close to being 5-0 really sucks. I hope moving Marty in gives us the results we need in the short term and allows us a shot at making the playoffs.

It would be hard to fire a coordinator after starting 3-0.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I think they wanted to be sure...

 

[RavensFan34950]

Just now, PuRock said:

There were too many of these this season.  Not even an ounce of guessing is needed by the defense when Joe is in shotgun in an empty backfield.  At least present the notion you might run, maybe even QB sneak.  Who knows?  Try and figure it out.  But Trestman thought it would be best to let the defense know our plans.      

It's been outrageous. Marty better learn from Trestmans mistakes real soon. 

[RavensFan34950]

11 minutes ago, TheRavenouseD2008 said:

no this means medic units will have less work on 3rd and 2 ........ or in the 4th quarter .... and less tvs will need to be replaced.....

Lol I have always said that the Ravens do more damage to their fans due to high stress levels, than they do to the opponents. Hopefully that changes now.

[Rav'n Maniac]

3 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

As bad as our offense has been, there's a lot of other mistakes and missed plays that were made in the last few weeks that had nothing to do with the offense.

ST has been bad for weeks now.

No doubt, i agree wholeheartedly. After reading today that they considered making this move before the season, I just got a case of the what if's.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

5 minutes ago, TheRavenouseD2008 said:

I think they wanted to be sure...

 

I think they actually needed my approval first.  Ya'll are welcome.

[Rav'n Maniac]

5 minutes ago, PuRock said:

It would be hard to fire a coordinator after starting 3-0.

You are right. I guess I was just hoping for more out of the offense from the beginning and it never really materialized. 

[DenverRaven]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

It's sad, but these last 2 games actually had me missing Cam... just a little bit though.

Ok, glad I'm not losing my mind. I felt the same way.

[Ravenseconbeast]

20 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

It's been outrageous. Marty better learn from Trestmans mistakes real soon. 

We fire OCs like Browns fire HCs and QBs.   

It's clear to me where problem lies. Marty will be the next scapegoat if production won't pan out. 

The next OC(whoever/however great he past repetoir)  will be the scapegoat.   

I am however glad Trestman  is gone.  Never thought he was a good hire.  

I wonder who we will pick as our new OC next year,  but it's not going to be easy knowing that we have a history of firing OCs abruptly when Flacco stinks it up.   Hard to trust Ravens organization that his job will be secure. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

We fire OCs like Browns fire HCs and QBs.   

It's clear to me where problem lies. Marty will be the next scapegoat if production won't pan out. 

The next OC(whoever/however great he past repetoir)  will be the scapegoat.   

I am glad Treatment is gone.  Never thought he was a good hire.  

I wonder who we will pick as our new OC next year,  but it's not going to be easy knowing that we have a history of firing OCs abruptly when Flacco stinks it up.   Hard to trust Ravens organization that his job will be secure. 

 

 

except we've only fired two of the four we've had. The other two were hired as head coaches. Nice try though.. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[trevorsteadman]

Lmao people say it is because Flacco was stinking it up. Idk what you were watching... He did great delivering perfect passes a majority of the time. A lot were dropped in our receivers' hands.. Other times nobody was open and the offensive line that only Zuttah was in his original place would collapse.

The issue wasn't Flacco. The issue was only throwing screens or two yard passes the entire game until it was on the line. Abandoning the run and only running like 5 times after half time when West had 11 carries for 97 yards. We should've had West run 40 times at that rate. 

[JoeyFlex5]

57 minutes ago, flynismo said:

He absolutely is a top QB; and also, I'd love to see any QB throw it 50 times a week and win with any consistency. The great QBs become great when you put them in an environment that breeds success. 

A lot of people here have long said that Joe plays at his best when the running game is working (well, duh) and he is only throwing 27 - 32 times a game. That does not mean he isn't talented, it simply means throwing the ball too much makes the entire offense too predictable, too easy to defend.

you dont have to convince me lol im joes biggest fan. sami just seems to think that because flacco isnt putitng up drew brees/tom brady numbers that hes just average. when i said he isnt a top qb i meant nobody is putting him in the discussion for best qb in the league, not even close, ravens fans dont even do that. 

i was just pointing out that flacco is a very good qb who has inconsistencies and requires a bit more help from the team than those other qb's who throw for 4500+ yards every year, which is fine, you can win with joe flacco, and you can win big, and he can do us a lot of favors come playoff time when we really need him to play smart and sound, so calling him just average and saying he holds us back when he has very little talent around him and a god awful OC is just way off base.

[Bandwagon]

WE DID IT BOYS

[berad]

1 minute ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

We fire OCs like Browns fire HCs and QBs.   

It's clear to me where problem lies. Marty will be the next scapegoat if production won't pan out. 

The next OC(whoever/however great he past repetoir)  will be the scapegoat.   

I am glad Treatment is gone.  Never thought he was a good hire.  

I wonder who we will pick as our new OC next year,  but it's not going to be easy knowing that we have a history of firing OCs abruptly when Flacco stinks it up.   Hard to trust Ravens organization that his job will be secure. 

We've only 'fired' two offensive coordinators in the past 8 years. Two moved up to HC jobs, on the shoulder of the supposed 'problem'

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“Is Joe Flacco elite? You bet he is,” Kubiak said with a laugh. “He helped me. That’s probably why I’m standing up here [as a head coach again] today.”

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“Joe was tremendous. I really enjoyed working with him,” Kubiak said. “He’s as talented a human being as I’ve ever coached, as good of a person as I’ve ever coached.”

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“I think we’re going to be talking about Joe for a long, long time,” Kubiak said. “I really appreciated my time with him and I wish him the best.”

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Is-Joe-Flacco-Elite-Gary-Kubiaks-Awesome-Answer/6de274e6-b58d-4ec7-ac7e-acb0fed583d4

[FoxRox75]

Thank goodness they got it done this early. I'm surprised and happy with this decision.

[KSweeley]

This sounds pretty incredible, hope Mornhinweg will help get the Ravens on track with winning with more rushing: http://www.ravenspr.com/coaches_personnel_bios/MARTY_MORNHINWEG.pdf

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MORNHINWEG COACHING HIGHLIGHTS: Throughout his NFL coaching career, five quarterbacks have earned Pro Bowl honors under Mornhinweg’s direction: Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia and Brett Favre. As offensive coordinator of the New York Jets (2013-14), the team’s rushing attack ranked as the NFL’s third best (138.7 ypg) unit, which includes posting the league’s No. 3 average (142.5 ypg) in 2014. He also helped tutor QB Geno Smith, who in 2013 started all 16 games, becoming the first rookie QB in team history to do so. Prior to joining the Jets, Mornhinweg spent 10 seasons (2003-12) in Philadelphia, including nine (2004-12) as the Eagles’ offensive coordinator/assistant head coach. In that role, he helped the Eagles set single-season franchise records in total net yards (6,386 in 2011), total points (439 in 2010), average per rush (5.4 in 2010), third-down percentage (42.4 in 2007), net passing yards (4,119 in 2006), passer rating (96.7 in 2006) and fewest INTs (9 in 2006). He and John Harbaugh spent five seasons (2003-07) together on the Eagles’ coaching staff. Mornhinweg earned his first NFL head-coaching post with the Detroit Lions from 2001-02. His first NFL coordinator job came with the San Francisco 49ers (1997-2000), where in 1998, the team set franchise marks in total yards (6,800), first downs (381) and rushing yards (2,544). His first NFL coaching opportunity came in Green Bay (1995- 96), where in 1996, he served as the Packers’ QBs coach and helped guide Favre to NFL MVP honors and a victory in Super Bowl XXXI.