Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[terrynjulia03]

3 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Are you serious???? They called Mornhinweg "Marty Ball"?? hahahahahahhaha

Yeah, and that's on the NFL.com article. Pathetic

[flynismo]

Just now, terrynjulia03 said:

Yeah, and that's on the NFL.com article. Pathetic

Oh yeah I saw, that's why I was so dumbfounded. I can understand a fan making that mistake, but NFL.com? Wow

[terrynjulia03]

12 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm a little worried Mornhinwrg. Like Trestman he was great in the early 2000s. He was bad recently but with Geno and  Sanchez as the QBs and still a top running attack. 

 

I doubt he's the long term answer

Early 2000s? He was the OC of the Eagles from 06-12. 5 of those 7 they were in the top 10 in offense.  Including 2nd and 4th overall on 2010 and 11. That's not the early 2000s. 

[JoeyFlex5]

25 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

At the end of the day, the players need to be able to perform. We currently don't have many that can do that. West was up to the task yesterday but was not given a chance. Wallace is beginning to fade back to reality after his start. Smith is aging and probably will continue to be an injury problem. Maxx Williams, IR. Watson, IR. Perrimen and Moore, can't catch a cold let alone a football. Offensive line is terrible.

We simply have too many players on offense that are just average. No real game changers outside of Smith.

I understand the need to change at OC because this offense can't get worse. I wouldn't be surprised if we were in the bottom 5 at the league. But at some point, more needs to be put on these players performing. A coach can only call the plays. He can't go out there and physically make the line block, Flacco throw the ball more than 5 yards and the WR's catch the ball.  

Wallace wasnt being used properly. Perriman still needs time. Running the ball more makes everyone better in the pass game. TE screens don't work. Getting rid of trestman could very well fix all of this. Hopefully harbs tells Marty to stick with the hot hand at all times, if West is getting 8 YPC then give him the ball, use that for play action and take advantage of the good run game, that's how you turn an offense into a system, keep different parts feeding off of each other.

[berad]

3 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Yeah, and that's on the NFL.com article. Pathetic

 

2 minutes ago, flynismo said:

Oh yeah I saw, that's why I was so dumbfounded. I can understand a fan making that mistake, but NFL.com? Wow

That site has gone downhill... more like off of a cliff

I used to actually LEARN things there - around 8-10 years ago. Now, it's basically a bunch of entertainment reporters struggling to string together a football story.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Cam actually was a very smart coordinator who just had a dated scheme and players that didn't fit.

Cam had a knack for developing dudes. I'm very Happy he was here, development wise I will still argue he did flacco wonders. But eventually he grew out of the scheme. If we had to do it again I'd take cam until year 4

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Cam actually was a very smart coordinator who just had a dated scheme and players that didn't fit.

I still think that without cam and Derrick mason here that flacco could very well have been a disaster. He deserves a lot of credit for Joe's development. They worked well together early on, capitalising on Joe's arm strength by letting him zip the ball to the sideline before any db could arrive, mason was great for that. 

But as we got better on offense, and Joe's game expanded, he learned the touch pass, he learned to find Windows all across the field, etc. But cam didn't adjust with him, and Joe stagnated big time. He has shown that he is inconsistent but far from His younger self, he can pick apart most defenses with time in the pocket and a balanced attack.

[flynismo]

2 minutes ago, berad said:

 

That site has gone downhill... more like off of a cliff

I used to actually LEARN things there - around 8-10 years ago. Now, it's basically a bunch of entertainment reporters struggling to string together a football story.

Yeah, I used to love going on the site too. Used to be such a great site. Now it's, well..."Marty Ball"

[MGoPurple]

I hope Juan Castillo is also canned. Run game under him have performed badly. Not developed any offensive line. Line was good when Forsett went to pro-bowl but it looks like it was more Kubiak than Castillo

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, berad said:

 

That site has gone downhill... more like off of a cliff

I used to actually LEARN things there - around 8-10 years ago. Now, it's basically a bunch of entertainment reporters struggling to string together a football story.

Nail on the head. NFL network too. The days of rich eisen and mooch and prime and Irvin on total access every night at 7pm are long gone. Now they circulate hack job journalists who don't know football to come in and try to wise crack on each other and report on things said on Twitter. It's gotten horrible and it used to be a real quality network.

[kakatakoi]

If anyone is questioning the long overdue decision to fire Marc Trestman then they're simply not watching the games or paying attention to football in general. He was given way more chances than he deserved...his cerebral versus "lets use what's working" approach has Cost the Ravens countless close-call victories over the past 2 seasons as it Cost the Bears previously. He might have been lucky in the CFL but he doesn't belong in the NFL...not to worry though, he will do great as a Hallmark greeting card author.  Good riddance!  Still baffled at how he ever got recommended for the job in the first place...Come on Ozzie, Come on John...learning has Got to occur quicker than this next time. 

[terrynjulia03]

4 minutes ago, berad said:

 

That site has gone downhill... more like off of a cliff

I used to actually LEARN things there - around 8-10 years ago. Now, it's basically a bunch of entertainment reporters struggling to string together a football story.

Yeah I don't get it either. I can understand deadlines and being first to push a story, but when you can pull up every fact on anything on the planet inside 5 seconds on your phone even....I don't know if it's incompetence or sheer laziness.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, MGoPurple said:

I hope Juan Castillo is also canned. Run game under him have performed badly. Not developed any offensive line. Line was good when Forsett went to pro-bowl but it looks like it was more Kubiak than Castillo

Castillo is one of the most renowned technique coaches in the league, he is an excellent teacher but a bad coordinator. He was a disaster in 2013 When he was part of a 2 man OC team which was a disaster idea to begin with.

As far as developing guys... You can't hold hurst against him, compare jensen now to his old self, good God what an improvement, urschel has become just shy of starting caliber and a very good backup despite being far too weak for the NFL, Alex Lewis is playing multiple positions at a solid level despite not being a natural fit for any of them, Stanley looks like a pro bowl runner up before the injury, Wagner was a 5th round pick who's probably gonna get paid next off-season because he had a great year and has been solid since returning from a serious injury... 

He has a good track record. The run scheme however is broken, the inside zone rarely works, you need 2 marshal yandas and a mangold at center for it to work, and it takes a hell of a lot of time for the players to gel to the point that you can run it consistently. As far as pass pro, we don't have the talent and were fielding a patchwork line.

[berad]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Nail on the head. NFL network too. The days of rich eisen and mooch and prime and Irvin on total access every night at 7pm are long gone. Now they circulate hack job journalists who don't know football to come in and try to wise crack on each other and report on things said on Twitter. It's gotten horrible and it used to be a real quality network.

Their doom was sealed once they hired Gregg Rosenthal from PFT as head editor (or some capacity). He has ushered in fools like Dave Dameshek, Dan Hanzus, Adam Rank, Elliott Harrison, and some others. If those names don't wrinkle your nose, you made the smart decision and stopped watching/reading these guys.

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, MGoPurple said:

I hope Juan Castillo is also canned. Run game under him have performed badly. Not developed any offensive line. Line was good when Forsett went to pro-bowl but it looks like it was more Kubiak than Castillo

Explain our OL ranking 2nd and 4th in sacks given up the past two years if Castillo is so bad.

[berad]

Just now, flynismo said:

Explain our OL ranking 2nd and 4th in sacks given up the past two years if Castillo is so bad.

Flacco has been beastly in avoiding sacks and throwing it up to save those stats. The OL has been a weak point but I think it's less about Castillo and more about the health and talent around it. The line was in total disarray yesterday.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, flynismo said:

Explain our OL ranking 2nd and 4th in sacks given up the past two years if Castillo is so bad.

Simple... Poster is stuck in 2013 When he was run game coordinator and isn't crediting him for developing something from nothings on the OL since stepping down to OL coach.

[flynismo]

Just now, berad said:

Flacco has been beastly in avoiding sacks and throwing it up to save those stats. The OL has been a weak point but I think it's less about Castillo and more about the health and talent around it. The line was in total disarray yesterday.

That's a good point. For a guy who supposedly has no pocket awareness, he sure does have a lot of pocket awareness, and has avoided a ton of sacks.

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, kpfeiffe said:

Scapegoat. By season's end we'll be reading on this board how Mornhinweg stinks. I'll bring this post back up when the times comes. 

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

really..it will happen..eventually when theres 3 more OC's that come and go in the next 3 years people here who love flacco will say..''maybe its joe...;(''

 

wont matter though..he'll have 4 more babies and have his hundreds of millions and laugh it off in happy retirement and with no more SB appearances to show for it.

[GrimCoconut]

21 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Me too although Caldwell looked pretty good for a stretch as well so it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see the offense go on a run. Guess we will see just how talented this group is. 

Looks like we are also done with Hurst at LT with Lewis starting there this past week.

And Hurst didn't even to out on the field when Wagner fell to injury. That was very trying to me. From what I understood, Hurst was active. 

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

Yeah, good luck with that 

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Apparently he was on the chopping block week 17 last year ......... 

[BruceLeeRoy]

1 hour ago, kpfeiffe said:

Scapegoat. By season's end we'll be reading on this board how Mornhinweg stinks. I'll bring this post back up when the times comes. 

Bye, Chloe.

[berad]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

really..it will happen..eventually when theres 3 more OC's that come and go in the next 3 years people here who love flacco will say..''maybe its joe...;(''

 

wont matter though..he'll have 4 more babies and have his hundreds of millions and laugh it off in happy retirement and with no more SB appearances to show for it.

So what difference does that make if the people in charge are giving Flacco extensions and praising him? Maybe when Flacco's gone some posters will be here moaning about how we need a QB like Flacco and saying 'remember when we had Joe?'

NFL QBs are a shot in the dark, our organization is glad we have a legitimate one.

[Edug27]

2 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

 

2009 and 2014 was the best Ravens offenses since '96. Top 10 in scoring. Not sure I'm following.

[Sami84]

Just now, Edug27 said:

2009 and 2014 was the best Ravens offenses since '96. Top 10 in scoring. Not sure I'm following.

yeah...we havent exactly got a high benchmark in those years prior..its not like it be hard to beat..

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Juan Castillo.....subtract the Kubiak games bc he changed the Oline, what is our record with Castillo? Less 2012

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I'd expect a bit more of a downfield attack in the sense that Marty will actually look to call those crossing patterns and other types of plays out of the playbook.  We know they exist being that we've seen them in the preseason.  I'm thinking Marc just lost that page at some point.  Regardless, as you said, you can't go and change the whole thing, but Marty will be putting some of his touch on the playbook.

More balance more running more downfield passes that is what we need

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

you know..its going to get to a point where people are going to realize that flacco is also a big reason why we havent had a top offence since he was drafted :/

really..it will happen..eventually when theres 3 more OC's that come and go in the next 3 years people here who love flacco will say..''maybe its joe...;(''

 

wont matter though..he'll have 4 more babies and have his hundreds of millions and laugh it off in happy retirement and with no more SB appearances to show for it.

We know what Joe is. he's not a top qb who can throw it 50 times a week and win every time. he works with a balanced system and gives you a chance to win by playing very well in the toughest moments. He's been inconsistent this year and it's infuriating but the whole offense has been such a disaster that you just can't place too much blame on him.

[The Raven]

22 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Castillo is one of the most renowned technique coaches in the league, he is an excellent teacher but a bad coordinator. He was a disaster in 2013 When he was part of a 2 man OC team which was a disaster idea to begin with.

As far as developing guys... You can't hold hurst against him, compare jensen now to his old self, good God what an improvement, urschel has become just shy of starting caliber and a very good backup despite being far too weak for the NFL, Alex Lewis is playing multiple positions at a solid level despite not being a natural fit for any of them, Stanley looks like a pro bowl runner up before the injury, Wagner was a 5th round pick who's probably gonna get paid next off-season because he had a great year and has been solid since returning from a serious injury... 

He has a good track record. The run scheme however is broken, the inside zone rarely works, you need 2 marshal yandas and a mangold at center for it to work, and it takes a hell of a lot of time for the players to gel to the point that you can run it consistently. As far as pass pro, we don't have the talent and were fielding a patchwork line.

It looked a lot better yesterday than it has looked previously, I'll say that. I think we're starting to mesh.

Also, thank god Trestman's gone. He's just a disaster of a coordinator.