Merged: Ravens Fire Marc Trestman

[flynismo]

1 minute ago, codizzle said:

Just run the ball and send a WR over the middle and it's automatically golden comparatively 

Just don't run it on 3rd and 9 in the red zone or call a 5 yard out on 3rd and 13 and it's already better.

Edited October 10, 2016 by flynismo

[VermontRaven]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

Anyone else shocked? This just doesn't seem like a ravens move. I'm glad though. He isn't nfl caliber. Lets hope Marty calls a proper run game and schemes chip blocks and real passes rather than TE screens

I'm shocked as well.  I'm glad Harbaugh had the guts to do it as well.  We'll see how much it helps, but Harbs obviously felt the season slipping away.  I thought we'd wait until before the bye week after Giants and Jets games.  Hopefully this sparks the offense and we can get a W against the Giants and start building some offensive confidence!

[ravensnj]

Marty coached under Andy Reid, same with the Eagles new head coach, Doug Pederson. Reid always maintained a good offensive system with good play calling. Pederson is doing an admirable in Philly and I look for Marty to continue the same kind of attacking offensive mentality here.

Edited October 10, 2016 by ravensnj

[ravensnj]

Realistically, we should be 5-0. Coming off a dismal season, I'm glad we are attacking proactive and not waiting until the season was doomed. 

[cobrajet]

Maybe losing that game yesterday was a blessing in disguise. If Perriman gets that foot down, players may have not been grumbling and Trestman may have kept his job. Maybe now we improve with Marty over the next two games and through the bye week just in time for the tough part of our schedule. At least I have hope now, something I did not have much of when I woke up this morning.

[Inqui]

11 minutes ago, codizzle said:

Just run the ball and send a WR over the middle and it's automatically golden comparatively 

+35

I'm not usually in favour of canning a coordinator midseason, but I think this was the right move. Going by his previous records I'm excited to see how he goes, especially with our talent. Anything in the top half I'm happy with.

What kind of blocking scheme does MM run up front? Does it bode better for Zuttah?

[ravensnj]

Just now, cobrajet said:

Maybe losing that game yesterday was a blessing in disguise. If Perriman gets that foot down, players may have not been grumbling and Trestman may have kept his job. Maybe now we improve with Marty over the next two games and through the bye week just in time for the tough part of our schedule. At least I have hope now, something I did not have much of when I woke up this morning.

Good point. Now we can build an offense and not look like a fraud against the likes of Pittsburgh and Cincinnati.

[JO_75]

Best news I could hope for when I went on break. The winning starts now... I hope Trestman apologized to the Defense on the way out. 

Our Super Bowl run starts this weekend with the Giants.

[jboy19]

1 minute ago, Inqui said:

+35

I'm not usually in favour of canning a coordinator midseason, but I think this was the right move. Going by his previous records I'm excited to see how he goes, especially with our talent. Anything in the top half I'm happy with.

What kind of blocking scheme does MM run up front? Does it bode better for Zuttah?

Same scheme. Won't change anything substantial inseason. The hope is for better playcalling. 

[terrynjulia03]

Just some fun facts for this move. Trestman was with the Bears in 2013 and 14, same years Marty was the OC of the Jets. Now obviously there's a different level of talent between those 2 teams during those years but here's e stats. 

Bears were 8th in ypg and 2nd in points. 16th in rushing and 5th in passing. The Jets were 25th and 29th. 6th in  rushing and 31 in passing. In 2014 the Bears fell to 21st in yards and 23 in points with 27th rushing and 15th in passing. The Jets 22nd and 28. 3rd in rushing and dead last in passing. Wasn't 2013 the Tebow experiment? Anyways

Now if you go all the way back to 02/03 when the last time Trestman was in the NFL he had the Raiders 1st overall his first year, the following year tey fell to 25th. Imagine that. 

As for Marty his years with Philly as the OC they went 6, 9,11,2,4,15 from 2006-2012. 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, jboy19 said:

Same scheme. Won't change anything substantial inseason. The hope is for better playcalling. 

I'd expect a bit more of a downfield attack in the sense that Marty will actually look to call those crossing patterns and other types of plays out of the playbook.  We know they exist being that we've seen them in the preseason.  I'm thinking Marc just lost that page at some point.  Regardless, as you said, you can't go and change the whole thing, but Marty will be putting some of his touch on the playbook.

[Edug27]

We could just as easily be 0-5 as we could be 5-0. Time to move forward and continue to get better. The run game needs to be utilized. The offensive line needs to be stable. The wideouts need to catch the ball. And the defense needs to build off what they did yesterday. Keep T.Young as the starter. 

Whats the scoop on Marty? Anyone know what type of playcaller he is? Aggressive? Dynamic?

Edited October 10, 2016 by Edug27

[ravensnj]

2 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Just some fun facts for this move. Trestman was with the Bears in 2013 and 14, same years Marty was the OC of the Jets. Now obviously there's a different level of talent between those 2 teams during those years but here's e stats. 

Bears were 8th in ypg and 2nd in points. 16th in rushing and 5th in passing. The Jets were 25th and 29th. 6th in  rushing and 31 in passing. In 2014 the Bears fell to 21st in yards and 23 in points with 27th rushing and 15th in passing. The Jets 22nd and 28. 3rd in rushing and dead last in passing. Wasn't 2013 the Tebow experiment? Anyways

Now if you go all the way back to 02/03 when the last time Trestman was in the NFL he had the Raiders 1st overall his first year, the following year tey fell to 25th. Imagine that. 

As for Marty his years with Philly as the OC they went 6, 9,11,2,4,15 from 2006-2012. 

The NFL.COM site :  At times, his playcalling has been considered innovative. The well-known "Marty Ball" moniker encompasses both his propensity for the West Coast offense and a high-flying passing attack that has produced some of the best big-play offenses in the league over the past two decades. In Mornhinweg 15 seasons as a play-caller, his teams have finished in the top 10 in points and yards eight different times.

[jimmypowder]

Trestman was probably  the worst OC in Ravens history .

Cam looked like a genius in comparison . 

He had zero feel for the game which is why West got few touches in the second half . 

 

 

 

 

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Trestman was probably  the worst OC in Ravens history .

Cam looked like a genius in comparison . 

He had zero feel for the game which is why West got few touches in the second half . 

It's sad, but these last 2 games actually had me missing Cam... just a little bit though.

[flynismo]

9 minutes ago, jboy19 said:

Same scheme. Won't change anything substantial inseason. The hope is for better playcalling. 

The scheme isn't the problem anyway. In fact, this scheme resulted in one of the best seasons Flacco has ever had. 

The problems were inept situational play calling, and completely neglecting the running game too often, not to mention the inability or unwillingness to attack defenses on all levels consistently. I mean for the love of gawd, how do we throw the ball so much and not have a single 300 yard passing game to show for it?

[Ravens4Real]

At the end of the day, the players need to be able to perform. We currently don't have many that can do that. West was up to the task yesterday but was not given a chance. Wallace is beginning to fade back to reality after his start. Smith is aging and probably will continue to be an injury problem. Maxx Williams, IR. Watson, IR. Perrimen and Moore, can't catch a cold let alone a football. Offensive line is terrible.

We simply have too many players on offense that are just average. No real game changers outside of Smith.

I understand the need to change at OC because this offense can't get worse. I wouldn't be surprised if we were in the bottom 5 at the league. But at some point, more needs to be put on these players performing. A coach can only call the plays. He can't go out there and physically make the line block, Flacco throw the ball more than 5 yards and the WR's catch the ball.  

[Daft Classic]

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the offseason we have on our wish list for OC? In the event Mornhinweg doesn't workout

[rmw10]

Just now, Ravens4Real said:

At the end of the day, the players need to be able to perform. We currently don't have many that can do that. West was up to the task yesterday but was not given a chance. Wallace is beginning to fade back to reality after his start. Smith is aging and probably will continue to be an injury problem. Maxx Williams, IR. Watson, IR. Perrimen and Moore, can't catch a cold let alone a football. Offensive line is terrible.

We simply have too many players on offense that are just average. No real game changers outside of Smith.

I understand the need to change at OC because this offense can't get worse. I wouldn't be surprised if we were in the bottom 5 at the league. But at some point, more needs to be put on these players performing. A coach can only call the plays. He can't go out there and physically make the line block, Flacco throw the ball more than 5 yards and the WR's catch the ball.  

Players definitely need to pick it up in conjunction with this move.  No one is completely absolved from blame, except maybe West from yesterday at least.

[loveravensfootball]

Just now, Daft Classic said:

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the offseason we have on our wish list for OC? In the event Mornhinweg doesn't workout

I'd almost like to go with an up and coming college OC. Watching college football last weekend, made me more than a little jealous of some of the playcalling. 

[jboy19]

1 minute ago, Daft Classic said:

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the offseason we have on our wish list for OC? In the event Mornhinweg doesn't workout

Mike McCoy will probably get fired. I think he's worth considering. 

[codizzle]

1 minute ago, Daft Classic said:

Out of curiosity, is there anyone in the offseason we have on our wish list for OC? In the event Mornhinweg doesn't workout

Brett Favre 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, loveravensfootball said:

I'd almost like to go with an up and coming college OC. Watching college football last weekend, made me more than a little jealous of some of the playcalling. 

Yeah that won't work. A lot of the stuff you see done in college either entirely doesn't work in the NFL, or is completely negated by the fact that you're playing the best of the best defensive players every week. On any really good college team, there's maybe 4-5 NFL caliber starters on a defense, and some of those guys won't be starter-level in the NFL. Most teams its like 1-2 at most.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Last time we fired an offensive coordinator after a loss to the Redskins...

[terrynjulia03]

15 minutes ago, ravensnj said:

The NFL.COM site :  At times, his playcalling has been considered innovative. The well-known "Marty Ball" moniker encompasses both his propensity for the West Coast offense and a high-flying passing attack that has produced some of the best big-play offenses in the league over the past two decades. In Mornhinweg 15 seasons as a play-caller, his teams have finished in the top 10 in points and yards eight different times.

Lol, that post already got bashed. "Marty Ball" was Marty SCHOTENHEIMER! Or however it's spelled, the Chargers coach a few years ago. Don't trust Sports writers anymore than the weatherman. 

[Wildabeast88]

45 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

 

Anyone else shocked? This just doesn't seem like a ravens move. I'm glad though. He isn't nfl caliber. Lets hope Marty calls a proper run game and schemes chip blocks and real passes rather than TE screens

That is what we did in 2012 and I think Marty will call a good well balanced game. I feel we had no choice but make this move did you see Joe at the press conference body language said it all at our current pace we wouldn't have won 3 more games

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm a little worried Mornhinwrg. Like Trestman he was great in the early 2000s. He was bad recently but with Geno and  Sanchez as the QBs and still a top running attack. 

 

I doubt he's the long term answer

[flynismo]

10 minutes ago, terrynjulia03 said:

Lol, that post already got bashed. "Marty Ball" was Marty SCHOTENHEIMER! Or however it's spelled, the Chargers coach a few years ago. Don't trust Sports writers anymore than the weatherman. 

Are you serious???? They called Mornhinweg "Marty Ball"?? hahahahahahhaha

[BmoreBird22]

29 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Trestman was probably  the worst OC in Ravens history .

Cam looked like a genius in comparison . 

He had zero feel for the game which is why West got few touches in the second half . 

Cam actually was a very smart coordinator who just had a dated scheme and players that didn't fit.

[52520Andrew]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I'm a little worried Mornhinwrg. Like Trestman he was great in the early 2000s. He was bad recently but with Geno and  Sanchez as the QBs and still a top running attack. 

 

I doubt he's the long term answer

Me too although Caldwell looked pretty good for a stretch as well so it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see the offense go on a run. Guess we will see just how talented this group is. 

Looks like we are also done with Hurst at LT with Lewis starting there this past week.